Article: Trading Marco Rossi Is Acting Like the Flames and Sabres, Not the Panthers

[IllicitFive]

10 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

Has he been signed yet?

think Zona think 

So kap lost the locker room? Is he signed yet? 

[Sam]

14 minutes ago, IllicitFive said:

So kap lost the locker room? Is he signed yet? 

How does one “lose a locker room room”? Like privilege to use one?

[goenzoy]

47 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

What is the point?

The point is that Rossi and for that matter also Matt Boldy 

did more then Kaprisov and EEK that Wild reached even the play-off 

[IllicitFive]

30 minutes ago, Sam said:

How does one “lose a locker room room”? Like privilege to use one?

On the outs with teammates either socially or as part of the culture or both. Ever play a team sport where you just aren't a fam of a guy, he may be selfish, think he's above the team, or quits then blames people? That's how 

[OldDutchChip]

1 hour ago, IllicitFive said:

So kap lost the locker room? Is he signed yet? 

i am not questioning effort of kaprizov, not one time. 

are you not questioning effort of rossi? not even once?

[OldDutchChip]

39 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

The point is that Rossi and for that matter also Matt Boldy 

did more then Kaprisov and EEK that Wild reached even the play-off 

how did you measure that? by games played? genius!

[OldDutchChip]

48 minutes ago, Sam said:

How does one “lose a locker room room”? Like privilege to use one?

not having the trust of his teammates or coaches. funny stuff. 

[IllicitFive]

2 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

i am not questioning effort of kaprizov, not one time. 

are you not questioning effort of rossi? not even once?

I'm not claiming any lost the locker room. I'm not there so 0 basis to the idea. We have no idea what relationships are like in there or why Rossi was on 4th line. Just saying by your logic if he hadn't "lost the locker room" he'd be signed same could apply to Kap. Or only one able to be targeted by that logic. 

 

[OldDutchChip]

8 minutes ago, IllicitFive said:

I'm not claiming any lost the locker room. I'm not there so 0 basis to the idea. We have no idea what relationships are like in there or why Rossi was on 4th line. Just saying by your logic if he hadn't "lost the locker room" he'd be signed same could apply to Kap. Or only one able to be targeted by that logic. 

 

of course not. but isn't that what we do here? i am not directing this question specifically at you, but i honestly am not sure why it's such a taboo. we can analyze and project the situation. we can draw parallels and use critical thinking. i thought this site will allow one to think and explore other options, but it's getting harder to do that. if you are not with mob thinking then you are a dunce. 

my "lost the locker room" hypothesis stemmed from Rossi's play towards the end of the season and especially in the playoffs. points removed - you have to look at his play and it was evident that he was not only raw but also not willing to engage (forget the penalty - he couldn't be trusted to have one's back - and that is needed when you are in the playoffs). next we have Kap being consulted and having his buddy (who is not exactly a prime performer these days) being brought on board. and finally this culminates into this point - Kap is directly involved in team building and he has not given green light on Rossi. i do believe Kap is consulted and if he was fully committed to Rossi, a deal would have been done yesterday. But Rossi has flaws. I think Kap is incredibly passionate and wants to win and realizes that he will have his best chance in the next 5 years. He wants to drive it home and deliver SC, not be a passenger. He is constructing his team. I fully trust him and think he will bring us the cup. He is that good - i stand by my claim he is the best player in NHL. 

anyway - that's my thinking. sorry again for unleashing this on you. but hopefully it helped see my position. we are all just "internet opinions" and when one side takes supremacy of their view and presents it as a fact and ridicules the opposing view - i do get defensive. everyone can have an opinion. and unless a poster goes out of his/her way to piss on mine, i will never escalate. but at this point - i think it gotten far enough (this is not you but i am going to end it with that-thanks for listening)

[goenzoy]

40 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

how did you measure that? by games played? genius!

No as a game played what was lost would be  not exactly helpful to reach playoff 

[OldDutchChip]

2 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

No as a game played what was lost would be  not exactly helpful to reach playoff 

i'm still not sure what you want out of this statement or where its going? yes, kap and ek missed time. unfortunate, but with them - we banked a ton of points and sort of coasted to POs.....

so ..... what is your point?

[goenzoy]

19 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

Kap is directly involved in team building and he has not given green light on Rossi. i do believe Kap is consulted and if he was fully committed to Rossi, a deal would have been done yesterday. But Rossi has flaws. I think Kap is incredibly passionate and wants to win and realizes that he will have his best chance in the next 5 years. He wants to drive it home and deliver SC, not be a passenger. He is constructing his team. I fully trust him and think he will bring us the cup. He is that good - i stand by my claim he is the best player in NHL. 

This is again utter nonsense.

It is not even clear if Kaprisov will even sign another contract with Wild .

It is likely but far from certain at this point.

Plus even when he should sign there is ZERO relations to Rossi s contract demands

[OldDutchChip]

4 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

This is again utter nonsense.

It is not even clear if Kaprisov will even sign another contract with Wild .

It is likely but far from certain at this point.

Plus even when he should sign there is ZERO relations to Rossi s contract demands

he is one of the leaders on the team and the most important player in team's history - so yeah i think there might be some communication going on. note - it is the most important off season for Billy. he needs to get Kap signed and Kap will only sign if he sees a path to SC victory. to think that Kap won't be consulted about team construct and direction is lunacy. so then think - you bring on Vlady (his boy) but there is nothing happening with Rossi. common think - why? 

[Willy the poor boy]

2 hours ago, Sam said:

How does one “lose a locker room room”? Like privilege to use one?

I lost one one time when I was really drunk...Couldn't find it for the life of me...Sigh...

[goenzoy]

28 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

he is one of the leaders on the team and the most important player in team's history - so yeah i think there might be some communication going on. note - it is the most important off season for Billy. he needs to get Kap signed and Kap will only sign if he sees a path to SC victory. to think that Kap won't be consulted about team construct and direction is lunacy. so then think - you bring on Vlady (his boy) but there is nothing happening with Rossi. common think - why? 

Fair enough and that's something I can agree with from team point of view. But we still don't have any certainty that Kaprisov will see it the same way.Upcoming season should be good

Rossi is a totally different story . He can play upcoming season in Buffalo with his old linemate from OHL Jack Quinn.

[Scalptrash]

23 hours ago, Will D. Ness said:

The Florida Panthers dismantled a presidents trophy team with one purpose in mind... to get bigger, tougher and meaner.  

Let's keep things in perspective here... they gambled it all... one of the ballsiest moves in all of sports IMO.  They got rid of their finesse game and brought in brutality... and now they have 2 SC.

If you want the Minnesota Wild to be more like the Panthers, why are people crying for Rossi?  If anything you should be bitching that we didn't draft Lundell.

The first and most important step in that process would be new ownership. Leipold has made it perfectly clear several times, “We are never going to rebuild, just make the playoffs every year.” 
It has to start from the top down. An owner whose ONLY objective is to win a Stanley Cup and not just be content with steady revenue. Billy and Mike are not the right people to build and coach a championship team. The current roster is built to make the playoffs, but not deep enough to go anywhere. 
This franchise needs an enema, if it ever wants to hoist the cup.

[Scalptrash]

19 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

you don't think Kap and Vlady talked about them playing together? everyone does that. yes that's tempering - but NHL is not really enforcing (nor could they) this policy much. 

it's very clear that decisions are ran by Kap, if not the entire leadership group - which makes sense. if leaders stated they need Rossi - do you honestly think that Bill will go against that? 

Just stop, you’re delusional. 

[Citizen Strife]

I don't know what ODC will talk about once Kap is re-signed.

[ArizonaWildFan]

31 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

I don't know what ODC will talk about once Kap is re-signed

Rossi? Getting Trenin signed to a $6M/8yr extension with full no movement before the new CBA goes into effect? Hell, extend Johansson while you're at it... you can never have too much insurance? Trading Zuccarello for one of the Tkachuks? An insider's perspective of the inner workings of the Wild front office and locker room? Faber's weight loss journey with Jenny Craig? The possibilities are endless!

[IllicitFive]

1 hour ago, Scalptrash said:

Just stop, you’re delusional. 

I wouldn't say delusional, I just think the order of things is out of wack. I would be willing to bet that it was not Kap called up Vlad, and Vlad demanded a trade to MN because Kap wanted him here. I am assuming it was more of a the Wild and the Wings were talking trade but Vlad has a NMC that needs to be waived, so he calls up Kap to inquire if MN is a good spot to go or not before waiving NMC. I am not sure if that is still tampering, as Kap and Vlad are not initiating and working back room deals.

[IllicitFive]

13 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

of course not. but isn't that what we do here? i am not directing this question specifically at you, but i honestly am not sure why it's such a taboo. we can analyze and project the situation. we can draw parallels and use critical thinking. i thought this site will allow one to think and explore other options, but it's getting harder to do that. if you are not with mob thinking then you are a dunce. 

my "lost the locker room" hypothesis stemmed from Rossi's play towards the end of the season and especially in the playoffs. points removed - you have to look at his play and it was evident that he was not only raw but also not willing to engage (forget the penalty - he couldn't be trusted to have one's back - and that is needed when you are in the playoffs). next we have Kap being consulted and having his buddy (who is not exactly a prime performer these days) being brought on board. and finally this culminates into this point - Kap is directly involved in team building and he has not given green light on Rossi. i do believe Kap is consulted and if he was fully committed to Rossi, a deal would have been done yesterday. But Rossi has flaws. I think Kap is incredibly passionate and wants to win and realizes that he will have his best chance in the next 5 years. He wants to drive it home and deliver SC, not be a passenger. He is constructing his team. I fully trust him and think he will bring us the cup. He is that good - i stand by my claim he is the best player in NHL. 

anyway - that's my thinking. sorry again for unleashing this on you. but hopefully it helped see my position. we are all just "internet opinions" and when one side takes supremacy of their view and presents it as a fact and ridicules the opposing view - i do get defensive. everyone can have an opinion. and unless a poster goes out of his/her way to piss on mine, i will never escalate. but at this point - i think it gotten far enough (this is not you but i am going to end it with that-thanks for listening)

I can see where you are coming from with the Rossi thing, I am just providing how I am looking at it. All we can do is watch and wait and make our best guess, we may not agree and that is fine. Lord knows you and I have had our back and forth at times but no ill will is held against you on my end, even if it seems heated. Its part of the fun of being a fan. End goal is we all want to win a ship, just see different ways of getting there.

With his play I wonder if that had anything to do with an injury, may not have needed surgery but can still have a long term affect on play taking a shot to the leg. With Kap, I don't know how much the consult him for things like draft picks and trades. Vlad reaching out to Kap to check on the culture and stuff here, absolutely can see that, Billy or OCF reaching out, maybe, doubtful to me but maybe. I think the article brings up a good point, Rossi would be a great 3C, especially if protected by larger players, which may have been part of why he hit line 4 in playoffs, opens up room for him where he potted 2. NoJo, Zucc, and Rossi on a line is too small with 0 grit. I think Rossi could be a contributor on the team, someone who can move up if needed. Rossi Moose Hartman as line 3, especially if Hartman plays like he did in the playoffs could work.

No need to apologize to me, as I have said, there are times I actually agree with your takes and will support them as such, other times where I think you are off your rocker just like you do with me haha. I appreciate the way you laid it out in this argument, I think I followed it even if I don't fully agree.

[WildNotMild]

1 hour ago, Citizen Strife said:

I don't know what ODC will talk about once Kap is re-signed.

Obviously:

1.  Kaprizov’s next GM moves

2.  The latest locker room gossip on who is in and who is out.

3.  Non-stop fantasy trades, it doesn’t hurt to call and ask, right?

This post was meant to be funny, but seriously, it is so enjoyable reading the threads with the crazy posts blocked.