Article: What Does It Mean That Rossi's Agent Is "Shopping For An Offer Sheet"?

[Justin Hein]

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[Burnt Toast]

Justin thanks for the article. It’s fun to read stuff during the offseason and I like learning new things. BUT lol. I’m glad you’re not the Wild GM. Maybe you were just kidding with the “Few million dollars thing.” My suggestion would be for Rossi to learn how to deal with getting his feelings hurt without expecting a payoff to do so. Honestly he seems like the kind of guy that wouldn’t have a problem with doing that. Rossi also stated he was a team guy and said on camera he would accept the coach’s decision with playoff time and do his best. I think that adds value to Rossi’s stock. 

[Will D. Ness]

By these estimates it seems that Rossi should have just signed the 5x5.

[bisopher]

Rossi's agent can go "shopping" all he likes.  It's more like he's wandering around, hat in hand, begging for whatever another GM will give to his client.  Once the lost value of the required draft picks is included (thanks Justin), there's no chance Rossi is going to get the >$7MM AAV contract that it would take to keep Guerin from matching. The one-year block on a trade might be a concern, but it's minor in the big picture. 

[OldDutchChip]

Very good article! 

When we bring up Rossi's demotion as a negative, we leave out the reality is that it creates an opportunity to steal away a player who just fell out of place with the team or coach or GM, thus it sort of neutralizes the negative. A smart GM would use it to his advantage. If Rossi is a definite top 6 player with massive upside, 1st pick is not that much. and as a GM - you can't just wait it out, because that player can come back around to the team or end up anywhere but where you want him to be. So you act. It becomes a bit dicy if you are expected to be the worse team in the league, but for most of the teams (with real/false hopes of making it to PO) getting a proven player (at a bargain) should be enticing enough to punt on a mid/late pick. 

But it's not. Crickets. Perhaps it's all under the radar and we'll see an influx of offer sheets from all over. But right now - it seems that everyone is in agreement with Billy's assessment of Rossi. The lack of noise, to me, means they agree with his handling and demotion. 

Additionally, i fully believe that Kap has provided his thoughts on the manner and hence Rossi is still unsigned. Should he do the same as for Vlady, Rossi would be signing off on 7X7. That means what happened in the PO matter.

End of year reviews will tell you that they are all happy family. But that's what players supposed to say. 

Maybe i am wrong in my assessment - but the league has confirmed that Rossi is not yet ready for that contract. They need to see more. I don't think it's such a bad move for Rossi to go out there and prove it. It may work out better for him. Go out there kid and put a point per game and get a 9 per contract. I assure you Billy will gladly pay it. I mean it. 

[SkolWild73]

 Nice article.  I was thinking a little about this last night.  I think both sides are doing what they need to do.  Rossi’s agent doesn’t want the 5x5 and his only real leverage is either a trade to a team that will pay him more or an offer sheet.  He should be waiting.  Same with Billy.  He is playing the odds that no one is going to go above 35 million and change for the total of the contract to not go up a tier for a first, second and third.  Worst case for Billy is someone offers Rossi a 5 x 7.  But if no offers come in, Billy is in control.  Still am hoping they can find some middle ground that works for both sides before that, but have a feeling this will go up until training camp or beyond.

[Burnt Toast]

Dug up some info. Rossi’s agent is Ian Pulver. He’s ranked 12th ( by $). So he’s at $410 Million in contracts, a little over 30 players. So almost half a billion dollars. So what’s happening is just normal life for these guys. (agents).Pretty sure the GM’s kind of know the routine and what reputation each agent has and how they like to negotiate. I’m done with my research project now. I’m going back to watching Top NHL Shootouts. 

[goenzoy]

2 hours ago, Will D. Ness said:

By these estimates it seems that Rossi should have just signed the 5x5.

No way  any player needs a contract for the next season.

He doesn't need to worry about what is happening in March 2030 

[goenzoy]

1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

But right now - it seems that everyone is in agreement with Billy's assessment of Rossi. The lack of noise, to me, means they agree with his handling and demotion

Your statement is just laughable .To you really think that there is any GM in NHL today who thinks about demotion of a player when building a roster for upcoming season .Even thought s about fly fishing will cross their minds more often in July. Rossi is in very good position because he just needs one year contract. All GM s do have a far more difficult job in this regard

[OldDutchChip]

33 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

Your statement is just laughable .To you really think that there is any GM in NHL today who thinks about demotion of a player when building a roster for upcoming season .Even thought s about fly fishing will cross their minds more often in July. Rossi is in very good position because he just needs one year contract. All GM s do have a far more difficult job in this regard

Smart GMs will use a situation to their advantage - yes. They do it all the time to try to get ahead in the deal.

Fly fishing is fine of course, but GMs have a job to do too.

Not sure about the rest. Yes Rossi needs a contract.

[goenzoy]

23 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

ahead in the deal

But there is no "ahead in the deal" in offer sheet business 

It must be silent as long as conceivable possible .

Agent just need to be a polite communicator with other teams should they have an interest as well 

And I m not even thinking that offer sheet is likely or that Rossi should get 7 million the coming up season .

And starting season with 3 motivated Russians is also good for Rossi

[OldDutchChip]

8 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

But there is no "ahead in the deal" in offer sheet business 

It must be silent as long as conceivable possible .

Agent just need to be a polite communicator with other teams should they have an interest as well 

And I m not even thinking that offer sheet is likely or that Rossi should get 7 million the coming up season .

And starting season with 3 motivated Russians is also good for Rossi

I’m sorry, I got nothing 🍻 

[1Brotherbill]

2 hours ago, Burnt Toast said:

Dug up some info. Rossi’s agent is Ian Pulver. He’s ranked 12th ( by $). So he’s at $410 Million in contracts, a little over 30 players. So almost half a billion dollars. So what’s happening is just normal life for these guys. (agents).Pretty sure the GM’s kind of know the routine and what reputation each agent has and how they like to negotiate. I’m done with my research project now. I’m going back to watching Top NHL Shootouts. 

Ian Pulver has a lot of players that are over paid.  This isn't a surprise that he wants top dollar and then some for Rossi.  

[1Brotherbill]

It is simple.  Rossi receives an offer of less than 7.020 million the Wild match.  If it is over 7.020 million the Wild take the picks.  It will be sad to see him go but it is a business at the end of the day.  Teams that can afford to give the picks and have space are Detroit, Pittsburgh, and Calgary to name a few.  

[Pablo]

Its gonna be impossible to get a high aav (+7M)with a 4 or longer year deal from anyone. Too many teams are in win now mode and cap strapped. If Rossi was smart, he would beg BG for a 2yr 15M deal and get back into FA when the cap goes up. 

[SkolWild73]

I hear a lot on here that Billy places Rossi on the 4th line or demoted him.  Is there any proof of that or just opinion?  I would think it was Hynes decision to move him to the 4th in the playoffs.  Am I missing something?

[1Brotherbill]

10 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

I hear a lot on here that Billy places Rossi on the 4th line or demoted him.  Is there any proof of that or just opinion?  I would think it was Hynes decision to move him to the 4th in the playoffs.  Am I missing something?

No you are not missing anything.  People are just not very smart. 

[HHF18]

Thanks for the article Justin. didn´t know that with trade protection for a matched offer sheet.
one thing that's wrong in the puckpediaoffersheetinfo is missing carolina.
They have 1st & 3rd round picks 26 (conditional from dallas). And actually they are calling every second day to figure out an offer sheet for Rossi.

I hope he will still find a deal with the Wild, but carolina and (also if nobody believes that) vancouver and still pittsburgh are trying to get him.

One more thing:
Im surprised that everybody thinks, the demotion in the PO was cause of the relationship between the coach and Rossi. But nobody thought about, if BG probably gave the order to the coach to do that. 😉
 

[Justin Hein]

16 hours ago, Will D. Ness said:

By these estimates it seems that Rossi should have just signed the 5x5.

My contract estimates have him growing/developing into a better player over time, which raises his AAV through the end of his RFA. See this article for more info. 

His actual on-ice value could grow to $8-9 million over a four-year deal. With the $11 MM haircut, that comes out to about a $7 million AAV as a "fair" deal. 

 

[Scalptrash]

Billy should swallow his pride and buck up an extra million to sign him now. If he gets offer sheeted, and he will, it will cost the Wild a lot more or they will get exactly what Billy doesn't want, more picks and lose a very good player.

How many teams would trade their first round pick for a 60 point player that could play right now? Especially teams that need good players and have to spend money to reach the cap floor. I'm thinking most, if not all. Even if it costs them $7x7, it's still a bargain. There are no other centers available even close to his skill. Two years from now, $7M will be nothing for a 60 point player. Just like Getting Boldy two years ago for $7x7, it has already become a bargain. You can't just consider today's dollars, but the value for the entire term. If he signs a $6Mx4 contract now, it will cost $8-10Mx7 next time because the cap and player values go up every year.

Edited July 10 by Scalptrash

[goenzoy]

12 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

I’m sorry, I got nothing

What is so difficult to understand . Offer sheets are a very silent business 

BG should not hear anything until one morning where he gets one single email 

The best place for Rossi are still the Wild for upcoming season 

Kaprisov motivated and hopefully healthy 

Tarasenko motivated because of NEW team 

Yurov motivated because of first NHL season 

Time is on Rossi s side he just should not sign anything longer then 2 years 

[MrCheatachu]

It's also worth noting that players are not eligible for trade protection until they are either 1) 27 years old OR 2) have played 7 seasons in the league.  Rossi is 24 with 4 seasons in the league.

Rossi's side has stated that they want to sign a 'team friendly' deal at this point since that will do nothing but drive up his trade value and the team is not able to give him any trade/movement protection.

SillyG's ruined that relationship at this point since I'd be convinced that if he can get his $5x5 Rossi's value as a trade chip goes through the roof and Rossi has no say in where SillyG ships him off to.

Unfortunately, for Rossi's side, if he wants to stay in MN the only assurances of that would be to get SillyG to overpay him which would sink his value on the trade market.

[OldDutchChip]

17 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

What is so difficult to understand . Offer sheets are a very silent business 

BG should not hear anything until one morning where he gets one single email 

The best place for Rossi are still the Wild for upcoming season 

Kaprisov motivated and hopefully healthy 

Tarasenko motivated because of NEW team 

Yurov motivated because of first NHL season 

Time is on Rossi s side he just should not sign anything longer then 2 years 

[Will D. Ness]

10 minutes ago, Justin Hein said:

My contract estimates have him growing/developing into a better player over time, which raises his AAV through the end of his RFA. See this article for more info. 

His actual on-ice value could grow to $8-9 million over a four-year deal. With the $11 MM haircut, that comes out to about a $7 million AAV as a "fair" deal. 

I think Rossi will get better as well, but I don't think he has as high as ceiling as Boldy.

[B1GKappa97]

17 hours ago, Will D. Ness said:

By these estimates it seems that Rossi should have just signed the 5x5.

I think that's why Guerin's 'counter offer' was even less than that one...