Article: Wild Prepared to Match Marco Rossi Offer Sheet

[mnfaninnc]

7 hours ago, goenzoy said:

Never said that he is Nylander or will hold out until December 10th 

But the numbers Rossi did makes it very clear that he can demand 6 million and above .And as longer as things drag it will be become clear that one year deal is the only option

You're correct, you didn't, but for my memory he was the last guy who tried this. I'm comfortable with the 1 year deal, but it will be quite south of $6m.

A couple of tidbits- Looks like Voronkov got a nice new deal at $4.17m for 2 years.

If a player files for arbitration, that means he is exempt from offersheets. So, in this case if we come into next season and Rossi comes off a 1 year deal, he will have to make a decision if he wants the offersheet or the arbitration route. This is, of course, assuming that he has not signed a long term extension. 

In my book, Voronkov would have been a nice add. While his points are lower than Rossi's, he brings some other things to the table that Rossi cannot do....at least yet. I think Guerin files this one away as a comparable to show Rossi's agent.

I still haven't heard what his leverage is.

Edited July 6 by mnfaninnc

[Tony Abbott]

11 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

Garland gets 6X6 but Rossi wants 7+…..

Lol when did Conor Garland become a better player than Rossi?

[Tony Abbott]

Oh, I see what happened. My b.

[OldDutchChip]

2 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said:

Oh, I see what happened. My b.

yeah my bad, i mixed them up 🙂

 

[goenzoy]

9 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

still haven't heard what his leverage is.

Edited 9 hours ago by mnfaninnc

His stats.He played 2 full season . He is a center and was not even tried as winger. Ehlers just got  8.5 million with a 63 point season .Rossi did 60 points. So any solution above 2 years is already impossible .

So only option open are a one year deal or a 2 year bridge 

[SkolWild73]

2 hours ago, goenzoy said:

His stats.He played 2 full season . He is a center and was not even tried as winger. Ehlers just got  8.5 million with a 63 point season .Rossi did 60 points. So any solution above 2 years is already impossible .

So only option open are a one year deal or a 2 year bridge 

Ehlers has ten seasons played, and has averaged .78 points per game in his career and was getting bid on by multiple teams.  Also, not sure how his stats and contract have anything to do with the length of Rossi’s next contract.  

[mnfaninnc]

2 hours ago, goenzoy said:

His stats.He played 2 full season .

Stats are not leverage in this case. And, the 2 years actually works against him, since he was supposed to have 3 ELC years but had to blow one when he was too weak for NHL play.

The only leverage the stats have is to entice a different team to offersheet him. Next season, the stats may matter as he would be arbitration eligible. Then a 3rd party can mediate a salary. 

If no other team gives him an offersheet, there is no said market value for Rossi this season. So, Guerin, pretty much, has full control over the player except for his agreement to play. And, if the player decides to hold out and not play, then his arbitration case gets much weaker. 

If the agent wants to bring up stats and claim Rossi is a 60 point player, Guerin merely counters with the last 25% of the season where the team needed Rossi the most but he was invisible in many games. He will argue that he needs to see it again. 

You do realize that a QO is really, really cheap, right? At this point the agent needs to realize that he is going to have to cut his losses to get Rossi a decent raise. This is not the time to fight, this is the time to get him ready to go for next season and bet on himself to put up another stellar season. If he wants to leave, that will make him all the more attractive to 31 other teams. 

That season where he had to go down to the A and regain his confidence has just come back to bite him. It was the best thing to do at the time, but it also had the FO on alert that he may be fragile mentally. The thing in his best interest to do is to come in beefed up and to have plenty of FU and a chip on his shoulder and play like it for a full season. 

Think about this for a second, Rossi was on pace to be in the mid 70s for points until it deteriorated the last 1/4 of the season. And this wasn't just a point average drop, it was a bunch of games with 0 points and a few multipoint games against weak competition mixed in. This is likely what is in Guerin's mind, and this is the reason they are not ready to commit 7 x $7m to him now. 

[goenzoy]

3 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

Think about this for a second, Rossi was on pace to be in the mid 70s for points until it deteriorated the last 1/4 of the season. And this wasn't just a point average drop, it was a bunch of games with 0 points and a few multipoint games against weak competition mixed in. This is likely what is in Guerin's mind, and this is the reason they are not ready to commit 7 x $7m to him now. 

No. 60 point give you the right to claim a 6 million contract and the only thing BG can refuse is the term.Yes if BG refusing 7x7 million Rossi cant do anything .

But now his agent should go for 2 x 6.5 million maybe in worst case also accepting 6.1 . And if also this is not possible a 1X5.5 million . Rossi could even play in Switzerland for a year as long as he preparing well for training camp

Switzerland and Italy host in 2026 Icehockey WC and Olympics so there is also money in Sport in Europe. 

[mnfaninnc]

5 hours ago, goenzoy said:

No. 60 point give you the right to claim a 6 million contract and the only thing BG can refuse is the term.Yes if BG refusing 7x7 million Rossi cant do anything .

But now his agent should go for 2 x 6.5 million maybe in worst case also accepting 6.1 . And if also this is not possible a 1X5.5 million . Rossi could even play in Switzerland for a year as long as he preparing well for training camp

Switzerland and Italy host in 2026 Icehockey WC and Olympics so there is also money in Sport in Europe. 

Going to play in Switzerland and turning your back on your teammates is a great way to alienate yourself. It's also probably a career killer. ODC mentioned that he thought Rossi had checked out in the playoffs, and that his teammates knew. Teammates always know if you didn't give a full effort. 

If any of them had that feeling before the end came, this cements that feeling. I'll cede the point that Rossi has a right to ask for $7m with 60 points. But equally and with far more authority, Guerin has the right to say NO. In this particular case, and this is only this year, Guerin can pretty well tell his agent his QO is what he's getting paid this year, and to kick rocks, or put it more bluntly, you shouldn't have overplayed your hand. Or, Guerin has the authority to say your contract is $2.5m this year. 

Rossi could do as you suggest, and head to Switzerland instead and hold out. There will be hell to pay when he gets back, because there is a bit of an unwritten rule that you don't do this to your teammates. In the other 3 major sports, the players support each other but hockey is different. You don't do this to your teammates. But, I do think that if Rossi does pull this, it won't be long before he does get traded. He's a nice piece to have, and I'm in favor of keeping him in the lineup and not trading him, but he's very replaceable. 

[goenzoy]

1 minute ago, mnfaninnc said:

Rossi could do as you suggest, and head to Switzerland instead and hold out. There will be hell to pay when he gets back, because there is a bit of an unwritten rule that you don't do this to your teammates. In the other 3 major sports, the players support each other but hockey is different. You don't do this to your teammates. But, I do think that if Rossi does pull this, it won't be long before he does get traded. He's a nice piece to have, and I'm in favor of keeping him in the lineup and not trading him, but he's very replaceable. 

Don't know Rossi personally and it is highly unlikely that he will return to Switzerland . But at the end of the day he can sit it out .

Only thing important to him is getting back well prepared for training camp. For now he didn't even reach 200lb what was the weight of his father when he played hockey . Plus since Sabres opted for arbitration for Byram even a Rossi trade got more likely again

[mnfaninnc]

1 minute ago, goenzoy said:

Plus since Sabres opted for arbitration for Byram even a Rossi trade got more likely again

Are you saying that the Wild would trade Rossi for Byram?

[goenzoy]

32 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

Are you saying that the Wild would trade Rossi for Byram

No the Wild don't need a D-man so it must be a 3 team trade 

But can be done only after arbitration is settled 

[mnfaninnc]

3 minutes ago, goenzoy said:

No the Wild don't need a D-man so it must be a 3 team trade 

But can be done only after arbitration is settled

Do you think Buffalo wants Rossi, then?

[goenzoy]

14 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

Do you think Buffalo wants Rossi, then?

Well depends if trading of Byram is possible .

They lost a forward with Peterka . But D-man swap need to complete first .Potentially in the same trade

Rossi of course would go to Buffalo

[Tony Abbott]

3 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

ODC mentioned that he thought Rossi had checked out in the playoffs, and that his teammates knew. Teammates always know if you didn't give a full effort. 

You're right, they would know. They said the exact opposite during the playoffs.

[mnfaninnc]

11 hours ago, Tony Abbott said:

You're right, they would know. They said the exact opposite during the playoffs.

Wouldn't you think that all of that is kept within the locker room?

[Will D. Ness]

17 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

Wouldn't you think that all of that is kept within the locker room?

I can't imagine anyone on the team calling out Rossi.  That is our job.

[Willy the poor boy]

1 hour ago, mnfaninnc said:

Wouldn't you think that all of that is kept within the locker room?

Actually it was my understanding they (teammates) empathized with Rossi for the shitty deal he got in the playoffs, much like they did with T Bot... And I think your selling Rossi short when you say he gave up on the team in the playoffs. I've not seen one indicator that's his personality type since he was drafted.

[Up North Guy]

17 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

Going to play in Switzerland and turning your back on your teammates is a great way to alienate yourself. It's also probably a career killer. ODC mentioned that he thought Rossi had checked out in the playoffs, and that his teammates knew. Teammates always know if you didn't give a full effort. 

If any of them had that feeling before the end came, this cements that feeling. I'll cede the point that Rossi has a right to ask for $7m with 60 points. But equally and with far more authority, Guerin has the right to say NO. In this particular case, and this is only this year, Guerin can pretty well tell his agent his QO is what he's getting paid this year, and to kick rocks, or put it more bluntly, you shouldn't have overplayed your hand. Or, Guerin has the authority to say your contract is $2.5m this year. 

Rossi could do as you suggest, and head to Switzerland instead and hold out. There will be hell to pay when he gets back, because there is a bit of an unwritten rule that you don't do this to your teammates. In the other 3 major sports, the players support each other but hockey is different. You don't do this to your teammates. But, I do think that if Rossi does pull this, it won't be long before he does get traded. He's a nice piece to have, and I'm in favor of keeping him in the lineup and not trading him, but he's very replaceable. 

I really don't think there is enough public evidence that Rossi checked out before and during the playoffs. Anything of that sort would have resulted in Rossi to the ProssBox instead of the 4th line. I know it is the time of year for wild speculation but this borderline reputation killing amongst fans. If he did check out his teammates would have been very vocal and BG would have dumped him for nothing. That is a cancerous trait on any team. None of us know the reasons for Rossi's supposed poor play. I intend to root for the kid as long as he is a Wild player or until actual facts show he did not put forth.

[Tony Abbott]

3 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

Wouldn't you think that all of that is kept within the locker room?

They wouldn't have had to say the opposite, and they did.

[OldDutchChip]

20 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said:

They wouldn't have had to say the opposite, and they did.

dude - no player was going to come out and say "Rossi sucked ass" but he kinda did

 

[Tony Abbott]

They could have said nothing if they were thinking that. They didn't. They went to bat for him. 

[OldDutchChip]

8 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said:

They could have said nothing if they were thinking that. They didn't. They went to bat for him. 

if Kap told Bill that Rossi is a guy you keep - Rossi would be signed to 7X7. Bill is running the show with Kap's input. Otherwise Vlady would not be here.

Connect the dots. Rossi is not in the plans and his performance during the end of the season and in the PO contributed to that and sealed his fate.

[mnfaninnc]

1 hour ago, Tony Abbott said:

They wouldn't have had to say the opposite, and they did.

That's a typical locker room

[mnfaninnc]

2 hours ago, Up North Guy said:

I know it is the time of year for wild speculation but this borderline reputation killing amongst fans. If he did check out his teammates would have been very vocal and BG would have dumped him for nothing. That is a cancerous trait on any team. None of us know the reasons for Rossi's supposed poor play. I intend to root for the kid as long as he is a Wild player or until actual facts show he did not put forth.

I believe the real reason was his knee was more damaged than he let on, and it wasn't getting any better. As a player, he just gutted it out. But, I also don't think the players would have been vocal about it, that stuff stays in the locker room. 

But, there are people that felt like he glided through. Personally, I think on line 4, he knew he had to lay back a couple of strides because his other forwards were big but slow. Both goals he had were pretty sneaky as he glided in for the home plate shot. He's not the only player who glides and reads. 

But, I also don't stand down from the optics of abandoning your teammates and playing in Switzerland. That's the way to get a lot of negative talk against you.

Edited Monday at 08:01 PM by mnfaninnc