Article: Offer Sheeting Marco Rossi Would Be A Win-Win For Minnesota's Central Division Rivals

[Scalptrash]

1 minute ago, SkolWild73 said:

I am sure they would.  But considering Marner had full control over where he went, and they settled on Roy, kind of shows Marner rally only wanted to go to Vegas, otherwise Toronto would have gotten a lot more in return from someone else

Yep, you can speculate too. Nobody knows but Marner and his agent. 

BTW, not sure why you're confused about what Tarasenko said, here it is:

 

[fikifuka]

1 hour ago, mnfaninnc said:

Sure it will work. If no GM decides to offersheet Rossi, then Guerin has complete control over what he wants Rossi to play for next season. The QO is likely somewhere around $1.2m. Guerin can reach out for a 2 year bridge deal, or he can once again present 5 x $5m. 

With an offersheet, it is all about compensation for Guerin. If someone wants to give Rossi a 5 x $7m offersheet with some clauses, Guerin merely has to match it. I think for Rossi, if I'm in Guerin's shoes, a 1, 3 in next year's draft is too low, so, since I have the money, I simply match.

What got Edmonton into trouble last season was they didn't have match money on either of their candidates. St. Louis took advantage of a GM turnover, never really liked Stan Bowman in the first place, and took advantage of their situation. 

When Montreal tried to do it to Carolina, Waddell said thank you very much to Montreal, matched, and went on summer vacation. He then remembered it and crafted a 2 year deal outside of Montreal's range on Kotkaniemi and got him, later signing him for less long term. 

So, if 5 x $7m is market value for Rossi, why can't Guerin match that? He talks about salary structure, and then he's got a market oriented offer. He can go back, re-evaluate, and match no problem. 

Now, let's say that the team interested in Rossi goes to 5 x $7.5m which isn't that much of a boost. Now you're talking about a 1, 2,  3 in next year's draft. If I'm in Guerin's shoes, now you've got my attention. I will look up and down your roster and see what you have. I will have my analytics guys run simulations of us with and without Rossi, and the opposing team with him to project where they'll be in the standings. If I believe that's a top 10 selection coming my way in a deep draft where I can find someone decent in the 2nd round too, then I've got another 5 days to ponder what I want to do. 

Any team hoping to get Rossi must know that it's going to take $7.5mish to get Rossi over. If it's, say, Chicago, I take the compensation, probably in less than a week. If it's Utah, I'm looking at something middling around the mid teens. If it's Dallas, I'm thinking of matching,  as we're looking at a 1st somewhere around the late 20s. 

The thing is that nobody really gave Guerin much of a deal to move him. I think Guerin's expectation was going to a 1, 2, 3 scenario as a baseline for a deal, since he knows he can get that with an offersheet. It appears that nobody was willing to give him that compensation in a trade and I think he feels fairly secure that nobody will offersheet at that level. 

Of course it is a realistic scenario you're describing. It could pan out exactly like you said - or the complete opposite. Guerin, and Rossi too, are in the middle of a big gamble that could last the whole summer. So nothing is for sure, in my opinion. And G will sell his decision, whatever it will be, as the greatest thing he ever did anyway.

My bet still is that R gets an offer around 7 M/5 y and G will not match it - just because his ego doesn't allow it. Would be too difficult to explain after all the stuff he declared - to the team, Leipold, other GMs, the public in general. 

[SkolWild73]

10 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

Yep, you can speculate too. Nobody knows but Marner and his agent. 

BTW, not sure why you're confused about what Tarasenko said, here it is:

 

I listened to it.  No where did I hear him say he only talked to Kap after he signed. Every report says he talked to Kap before the trade and that helped him to waive his no trade clause.

 

and I am not really speculating on where Marner wanted to play.  It was out there for a week that is where he was going.  

Edited Wednesday at 06:15 PM by SkolWild73

[Pewterschmidt]

30 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

I wonder if McDavid and Kaprizov are waiting for the other to sign first to see how high the money goes. 

Great point and now i can lower my blood pressure due to 97 not signing on July 1.  I think they're letting the market shake itself out first.

Edited Wednesday at 06:15 PM by Pewterschmidt

[ArizonaWildFan]

1 hour ago, MacGyver said:

Click bait or reported fact who knows?

Watched the interview that local sports guys did via Zoom with Tarasenko from his home in Florida. He's saying all the right things. Hopefully his body can back then up this season.

[ArizonaWildFan]

1 hour ago, MacGyver said:

My question to  you guys is can the Wild over pay for Kaprizov?

I agree with you that the answer is yes. I would really like to see an extension in the four or five year range. Injuries should be considered by the Wild and the inability to become a contender should be considered by Kaprizov. Shorter term could be a win for both sides.

[Pewterschmidt]

14 minutes ago, ArizonaWildFan said:

Hopefully his body can back then up this season.

Hopefully his body can cash the checks his mouth be writin’

[mnfaninnc]

On 7/2/2025 at 2:07 PM, fikifuka said:

My bet still is that R gets an offer around 7 M/5 y and G will not match it - just because his ego doesn't allow it. Would be too difficult to explain after all the stuff he declared - to the team, Leipold, other GMs, the public in general. 

This is where we differ in our opinions. The 5 x $7m may indeed happen, but I believe for it to happen, it has to be at least the minimum of a 1, 2, 3 in 2026. That's strong enough compensation for Guerin to let him go. I simply don't think he can take a 1, 3. 

At this point, it is something about his ego to. He doesn't want to pay $7m, but he also doesn't want to be seen as a buffoon who gave Rossi away, and he really doesn't want to go backwards in his timeline. 

So, here's where I see it: 2/3 of these have Rossi going at $7.2m, 2/3 of these have him staying at $7m assuming that the $7.2m isn't coming from a team giving you picks in the 20s of a round (projected). So, what team will put in this offer where they aren't concerned about their 1, 2, 3 picks next year possibly being lottery picks? 

I do not see some team magically willing to commit to this. Rossi simply isn't good enough for that type of compensation. He is good enough for a 1, 3 compensation, but Guerin is likely to match that and grumble while doing it. 

But, if this is the route another team wants to go, they are most likely already calling Guerin for a trade that is less than the 1, 2, 3 compensation. I'm betting that the other teams did not like the contract demands of Rossi's agent either, and I do think he's a bit outside the ballpark with the offer. I think if Rossi has 1 more good year where he stays healthy and improves 7 x $7m is not out of reach.

[fikifuka]

The pretty fair solution could be: Trade or offer sheet 6,5/4 years (Rossis is eligible as an UFA not before 2029) with NTC, so that R is in control of his fate and BG can't play games if he matches. One other important point is that MIN needs one more good Center if R leaves but the Center-market is thin. They just can't plan the season with only EE, Hartman, Yurov, Sturm at C. Too risky. 

[SkolWild73]

9 minutes ago, fikifuka said:

The pretty fair solution could be: Trade or offer sheet 6,5/4 years (Rossis is eligible as an UFA not before 2029) with NTC, so that R is in control of his fate and BG can't play games if he matches. One other important point is that MIN needs one more good Center if R leaves but the Center-market is thin. They just can't plan the season with only EE, Hartman, Yurov, Sturm at C. Too risky. 

I don’t think players that are not eligible to be UFA’s can get a NTC.  

Edited 23 hours ago by SkolWild73

[SkolWild73]

14 minutes ago, fikifuka said:

The pretty fair solution could be: Trade or offer sheet 6,5/4 years (Rossis is eligible as an UFA not before 2029) with NTC, so that R is in control of his fate and BG can't play games if he matches. One other important point is that MIN needs one more good Center if R leaves but the Center-market is thin. They just can't plan the season with only EE, Hartman, Yurov, Sturm at C. Too risky. 

My wording in the last reply was kind of rough and I could not edit.  Players are not eligible for NTC's in their contracts until they are UFA's, so Rossi would not be able to have a NTC until he is eligible.

[Need4speed99]

On 7/1/2025 at 8:13 AM, OldDutchChip said:

Yes! Chicago / Nashville please offer sheet Rossi for 7 plus and give us your top 5 pick 

 

For a team that needs to convince kap to stay, THIS IS STUPID! they need to be in "win now" mode. Even though I believe that will always be a lie given liepold is the owner. They will try and sell him, yet always trading prospects and bringing in bottom barrel vets. That's what they have done and continue.

[Need4speed99]

Again, how does any speculation on rossi get the wild better NOW? We can all talk about Billy talking to kap and everything else, how does trading rossi NOW help? Everyone wants several draft picks but the wild's inability to develope players should be a major issue. Other than boldy, who did Billy develop and when were they given an actual chance? 

Why do you think prospects would have a chance here?

Edited 17 hours ago by Need4speed99

[OldDutchChip]

27 minutes ago, Need4speed99 said:

For a team that needs to convince kap to stay, THIS IS STUPID! they need to be in "win now" mode. Even though I believe that will always be a lie given liepold is the owner. They will try and sell him, yet always trading prospects and bringing in bottom barrel vets. That's what they have done and continue.

It seems that Kap is convinced to stays here, otherwise - why sell this team to Vlady, why recruit? it seems that Kap will sign for 3-8 years, hoping closer to 8. as for Rossi, if Kap wanted him back - he'd already be signed.....so there it is - he is not in demand. Kap wanted Vlady! Vlady is here. i guarantee if Rossi was wanted - he'd be signed already. Team has spoken. Even if Rossi is still here on the team to start the year - it won't be long till he is shipped out.

and if a lottery team wants to offer sheet him and potentially loose a top 5 pick for Rossi - Bill will take it.

consider a team like CHI....they offer sheet him, give us 1st and we win a lottery! yes please. odds of that happening are microscopic - no one will bet such a high pick on Rossi. 

[Need4speed99]

39 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

It seems that Kap is convinced to stays here, otherwise - why sell this team to Vlady, why recruit? it seems that Kap will sign for 3-8 years, hoping closer to 8. as for Rossi, if Kap wanted him back - he'd already be signed.....so there it is - he is not in demand. Kap wanted Vlady! Vlady is here. i guarantee if Rossi was wanted - he'd be signed already. Team has spoken. Even if Rossi is still here on the team to start the year - it won't be long till he is shipped out.

and if a lottery team wants to offer sheet him and potentially loose a top 5 pick for Rossi - Bill will take it.

consider a team like CHI....they offer sheet him, give us 1st and we win a lottery! yes please. odds of that happening are microscopic - no one will bet such a high pick on Rossi. 

So IF that is true, you don't see anything wrong with it at all? Your star player is more concerned with guys he likes than actual winning?

And kap on 8 years at say 13 mil puts him at 35 or 36 at the end and they are right back in parise/suter territory. 

Those draft picks mean nothing when the team doesn't play them and signs old vets.

Again, how does any of this help? Billy jettisoned parise and suter because they were cancers, now you would give kap the same power? If kap was all in and rossi was not part of the plan, how does this team improve? If they don't, how is this ANY different than parise/suter? 

[OldDutchChip]

9 hours ago, Need4speed99 said:

So IF that is true, you don't see anything wrong with it at all? Your star player is more concerned with guys he likes than actual winning?

And kap on 8 years at say 13 mil puts him at 35 or 36 at the end and they are right back in parise/suter territory. 

Those draft picks mean nothing when the team doesn't play them and signs old vets.

Again, how does any of this help? Billy jettisoned parise and suter because they were cancers, now you would give kap the same power? If kap was all in and rossi was not part of the plan, how does this team improve? If they don't, how is this ANY different than parise/suter? 

i don't mind Kap having a voice. i think all leaders of the team should be consulted and believe they were.

Billy hasn't messed up yet, so there is a plan (not just get a player who is available and willing) - we could be stuck with Boeser or Nelly or Ehlers but we are waiting - good - we can wait. 

with Vlady - it's one year and i sort of came around on that. maybe Vlady was in a three (four, five?) year funk and Kap has the scoop that he has found the fountain of youth!

Kap is already the greatest player in wild history, i think if he agrees - you jump 8 year term and seal it. bank on his prime years to bring a cup and retire his number at the end. we are talking about a player in his prime and on top of the nhl. parise was never that - he was just paid like one.

cheer up - it's summer! 🍻

 

 

[jenihami]

On 7/1/2025 at 8:27 AM, OldDutchChip said:

Surprise Deal of the Day Prediction - 

Voronkov ends up in a Wild uni while Rossi ends up in Columbus

 

That might be a thing.

[SkolWild73]

14 hours ago, Need4speed99 said:

Other than boldy, who did Billy develop and when were they given an actual chance? 

Why do you think prospects would have a chance here?

Well, it does take time for players to develop.  Billy was hired in August of 2019, so his first draft was 2020.  I am just looking at first round picks, since their success rate is much higher than a second-round pick.  Rossi has scored the 11th most points out of that draft class and probably would be higher if he had not missed a year due to his illness.  2021 we drafted the Wall and Lambos in the first round.  Of the 21 goalies taken in that draft, Wallstedt has the second most starts, and will probably be the second goalie this year.  Of all the defensemen taken that year, only 10 have played more than 10 games.  Hopefully Lambos gets some time this year.  In 2022, we drafted Ohgren and Yurov, who should both be playing this year.  Only 6 players taken after Ohgren have played in more games and Yurov just got here.  Our 2023 draft pick is still in college and our 2024 pick will be playing this year.  

My point is our prospects are finally ready to contribute.  It is too early to really tell how we develop and use prospects.  The success rate for first rounders drafted in the 20's to play in even 100 NHL games is 60%.  If out of the Wall, Yurov, Ohgen and Lambos, 3 out of 4 make it, that is above average.  We will know more in a couple of years, but for me, it is still too early to tell.