Article: The Wild and Hockey World Are Overthinking It With Marco Rossi

[Tony Abbott]

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[Enforceror]

Thanks for the article Tony! Something to consider with these numbers: Ek only played 46 games last season. For nearly half the season, "without" would mean playing with either Gadreau or Hartman. 

 

 

[FredJohnson]

Playing Rossi on the 4th line in the playoffs (for whatever reason) seems to have tainted his value. And now Rossi wants to get paid big bucks or be traded out of Minnesota because he won’t likely be used in the top 6 (that’d drive down his market value).

[Citizen Strife]

Just sign the guy and be done with this stupid saga.  The Sabres did the Wild a favor, and getting rid of Gaudreau opened up some cash to sign both Rossi AND Boeser/Ehlers.  None of this stops Yurov or Ohgren from making the team next year.  If Yurov outplays Rossi after that, fine.

This really shouldn't have been so hard.  Due diligence is fine, but Kap, Rossi, Top 6 wing, fucking done...overthinking is right.

 

[TheGoosesAreLooses]

Great article for dispersing the opinion that Rossi only produced with Kap, or only because of the players around him. 

I hope they find a number that Rossi will be happy with, as he will be worth it. Every indication is Rossi is not at his ceiling, yet we are willing to pay 7 to Boeser or Tavares that both produced less than him last year, are already at their ceiling, and in Boeser's case, is a liability defensively. 

Three years ago in a flat cap enviroment, he would not have commanded a contract of that size but we aren't in three years ago land. The cap is rising rapidly now and contracts will be inflated. 

With the current talent available, I'm leaning towards hold our card for TDL. Unless we are making a trade, there is not much left to be had in a weird offseason where every team has decided they are done rebuilding.

[Imyourhuckleberry]

Reminds me of when they signed Kaprizov last time. People flipping out because the deal wasn't getting done early, but in the end, Guerin signed him to a deal that made sense for both sides.

It makes plenty of sense not to simply acquiesce to the agent's starting point, particularly when they have very little leverage...

[TCMooch]

In an environment in which there expects to be a higher and higher cap year over year--signing him long term to a cost controlled $7 million over 5-6 years is not insane for a young center that is scoring 60 points.

Also, unlike most of our team lately--he at least stays healthy for now.

[OldDutchChip]

Show me these bastards that want Rossi gone! Argh!

We need to keep him at all costs! He is better than Kaprizov. He is better than Tkachuk. He is better than ..... Eichel..... 🤔

Remember this article? You wanted to keep Rossi instead of using him to get Eichel. That turned out well..... Let's pretend that we could have gotten that deal done - but you blocked it. 

So let's pump the breaks a bit on knowing exactly what needs to be done - "don't overthink this world - keep Rossi - sign him and retire him"......

Facts are - Rossi had a bad end of the year. He was unplayable and had to be given sheltered minutes in the PO to cover up his weaknesses. He could not be iced out with top 6 because he would be destroyed by physical players from Vegas. So they gave him "easier minutes" - he meshed well enough and was a beneficiary of Trenin brilliance. Good for them both. But that is done. 

The lack of interest is directly representative of Rossi's value. It matters little if he played on 4th line and was devalued as some say (disagree - he was where he deserved to be and the primary goal was to win a series, not showcase or help out Rossi by pairing him with Kap and Boldy) - in fact the smarter GMs should jump on the chance to buy low on such a stud. But he is not a stud. League is saying that clearly but you still say NO. You made a mistake before by saying he was untouchable. That cost us. It has a chance to do the same. We need to to cut him loose and worry about Kaprizov and his timeline first. Stop obsessing over tiny Rossi. 

https://zonecoverage.com/2021/wild/marco-rossi-is-the-only-untouchable-prospect-in-a-jack-eichel-trade/

[SkolWild73]

And Tavares signed with Toronto for 4 years and $4.38 AAV

[FredJohnson]

6 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

Trenin brilliance

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[Tony Abbott]

5 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

Show me these bastards that want Rossi gone! Argh!

We need to keep him at all costs! He is better than Kaprizov. He is better than Tkachuk. He is better than ..... Eichel..... 🤔

Remember this article? You wanted to keep Rossi instead of using him to get Eichel. That turned out well..... Let's pretend that we could have gotten that deal done - but you blocked it. 

https://zonecoverage.com/2021/wild/marco-rossi-is-the-only-untouchable-prospect-in-a-jack-eichel-trade/

Buffalo got Alex Tuch, Peyton Krebs, and a first for Eichel. They weren't going to need to trade Rossi to make that deal.

And the root of wanting to keep Rossi now is for the same reason as it was then: You need numbers to build a great center group. Don't swap a center for another, put together elite depth down the middle.

This isn't the gotcha you think it is.

[Tony Abbott]

Hell, judging by recent events, it sounds like Kevyn Adams would have preferred my suggestion (Boldy) for Eichel, anyway.

"Again, I am right in my analysis."

[OldDutchChip]

1 minute ago, Tony Abbott said:

Buffalo got Alex Tuch, Peyton Krebs, and a first for Eichel. They weren't going to need to trade Rossi to make that deal.

And the root of wanting to keep Rossi now is for the same reason as it was then: You need numbers to build a great center group. Don't swap a center for another, put together elite depth down the middle.

This isn't the gotcha you think it is.

this was not just a center for a center. you specified Rossi as untouchable in that trade (elite? no Rossi is not that) to bring a difference maker in, thinking Rossi was going to be that soon. He is not. 

Ek + Rossi + Pick for Eichel would have been enough. You then have Boldy Kap and Eichel to build off.

The point was to be careful at saying that your thoughts are the only right ones. You were wrong about Rossi before. Eichel is a monster of a player, whereas Rossi is still wearing diapers on the ice. 

[OldDutchChip]

6 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

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yeah he was very bad in the PO (sarcasm) 

[OldDutchChip]

2 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said:

Hell, judging by recent events, it sounds like Kevyn Adams would have preferred my suggestion (Boldy) for Eichel, anyway.

"Again, I am right in my analysis."

you always are right.....no question there

[Tony Abbott]

3 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

Ek + Rossi + Pick for Eichel would have been enough. You then have Boldy Kap and Eichel to build off.

There's more to disagree with but right away:

Eichel
Hartman
Gaudreau

down the middle isn't getting you to the first round, let alone past it.

[SkolWild73]

5 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

Ek + Rossi + Pick for Eichel would have been enough. You then have Boldy Kap and Eichel to build off.

I agree with you that getting Eichel would have been great.  But the point of Tony's article isn't that Rossi is better than Eichel.  It was, to my understanding anyway, that you don't include Rossi so you can build your center depth and have three quality and possibly elite centers instead of two.  I am sure your above trade proposal of Ek, Rossi and a prospect would have been enough, but then where are we for centers?  

[OldDutchChip]

1 minute ago, Tony Abbott said:

There's more to disagree with but right away:

Eichel
Hartman
Gaudreau

down the middle isn't getting you to the first round, let alone past it.

You can build a better core with your top trio of Kap, Boldy and Eichel

The focus was just on the transaction itself

You were against including Rossi in a deal for Eichel

[OldDutchChip]

3 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

I agree with you that getting Eichel would have been great.  But the point of Tony's article isn't that Rossi is better than Eichel.  It was, to my understanding anyway, that you don't include Rossi so you can build your center depth and have three quality and possibly elite centers instead of two.  I am sure your above trade proposal of Ek, Rossi and a prospect would have been enough, but then where are we for centers?  

We overvalued Rossi and have been doing that ever since. I do not think he is an elite C for the top 6. So our center depth (let's focus on top 6) is just Ek (who is really a 2C at best). If Eichel is here - i would think there be more interest from other to join the party and play with him, Kap and Boldy. Eichel and Kap are top 5 players in the league. You can attract players to that. You cannot do the same with Rossi. I would have jumped at that deal and packaged EK, Rossi and a pick. 

[B1GKappa97]

2 hours ago, FredJohnson said:

Playing Rossi on the 4th line in the playoffs (for whatever reason) seems to have tainted his value. And now Rossi wants to get paid big bucks or be traded out of Minnesota because he won’t likely be used in the top 6 (that’d drive down his market value).

Its not because he played on the 4th line. Its HOW he played on the 4th line. 

Dude was allergic to contact the entire post-season. That's why he got stuck with bigger forecheckers to begin with. 

Just watch that game 5 OT goal against us and note how Marco Rossi mostly just stands around and plays spectator for a series-flipping OT loss. Rossi left a lot to be desired in his first-ever post-season even if he had some goals. 

[Patrick]

47 minutes ago, B1GKappa97 said:

Its not because he played on the 4th line. Its HOW he played on the 4th line. 

Dude was allergic to contact the entire post-season. That's why he got stuck with bigger forecheckers to begin with. 

Just watch that game 5 OT goal against us and note how Marco Rossi mostly just stands around and plays spectator for a series-flipping OT loss. Rossi left a lot to be desired in his first-ever post-season even if he had some goals. 

Garbage opinion.  I challenge you to find a SINGLE stat that supports Rossi being "allergic to contact".

Did you even read the article?

[fikifuka]

My guess as explanation that Rossi isn't traded yet is that the majority of GMs are not in the mood for rebuild now and almost every team has a lot and growing cap space for the forseeble future and sees the opportunity to improve the roster. The idea or strategy for teams interested in Rossi might be: We better offer-sheet (sign) him for just 7 AAV or e en 6,5 and ship out the 3 picks (1,2,3) instead of giving away (trade) players we want to keep. 

I'm sure he'll get at least 6,5/ 3 years or 7/longterm next week. Its just not realistic to assume that 31 GMs don't see the opportunity to get a 23 year old 60 point center with upgrade. They all know how to play this poker game - and BGs cards are getting worse every hour. The whole league knows: MIN desperately needs a good Center.