Article: Does the NHL Have A Sun Belt Issue?

[Tom Schreier]

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[Scalptrash]

It's not sun belt teams that are winning, it's large market teams. There is more to the story and how the NHL generates revenue and avoids losing revenue. Welcome to the modern era of professional sports. The leagues dictate, in one way or another, who succeeds, to some degree. Not trying to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but there is a lot going on behind the scenes with the league, owners and player association. One example, why is the draft lottery conducted behind closed doors? Why is that even necessary? How did Chicago conveniently get the first pick after Kane and Towes left the team? Just ask the Timberwolves about "draft lottery" luck.

Why are elite players conveniently traded without any discussion or negotiation? Examples: Rantanen and/or Doncic.

Don't plan on the Wild appearing in any cup championship games until there is a new owner, NHL commissioner, and the league is exposed. The Wild are a successful franchise and everyone involved is happy, or at least content. As long as tickets are being sold and the team is generating revenue, it's good enough.

[Patrick]

Bettman targets non - traditional markets and non - traditional markets win 75% of the Stanley Cups....coincidence?  Absolutely not.

To all the skeptics.  Look at the Avs PP advantage the year they won the Cup vs the year before and the year after.  With nearly the identical roster.  The league is not fixed but they "help" certain teams.

[MrCheatachu]

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The league must raise the cap ceiling and lower the floor to allow the teams with the most support to leverage their financial advantage, within reason, while allowing the lesser-supported teams to operate on a budget in losing seasons. 

Have we forgotten about the Arizona Coyotes already?  Lowering the cap floor would give guys like Meruelo even less motivation to put a competitive team on the ice

[mnfaninnc]

I'm not sure this is right. It looks right until you get to the actual dollars vs. monopoly money. 

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Regardless, the only positive takeaway from the league punishing the Wild for the Zach Parise and Ryan Suter contracts is that it indicates ownership is willing to spend on the team. Detroit, Vancouver, and the New Jersey Devils also suffered cap circumvention penalties, meaning ownership in those markets was willing to spend more than the league would allow.

Tom is suggesting here that the Wild were willing to spend more on their team. In reality, they didn't. With the penalties, it was in cap money, or monopoly money, not real money which was a pittance of a buyout. Now, I'll give you that the original plan was to buyout Parise/Suter's last 3 years and let them go on their way. So, maybe from that perspective there was more. 

The Devils got burned by Kovalchuk and didn't have much in penalties but were allowed to get out of it. Detroit was able to LTIR Federov, and both the Panthers and Canucks had to pay a portion of the penalties on Luongo. Even Chicago got to LTIR Hossa.

Tom seems to be advocating going away from a hard cap and more into a soft cap with a luxury tax like baseball has. Personally, I think the hard cap is necessary to keep in place. Sun Belt teams will cycle out of there championship mode and somebody else will take their spot. I do think the Canadian teams are at a disadvantage, as seen by the amount of players who blanket NTCs towards them. Why is that?

I think part of it is that successful Canadians get taxed very high. Their weather is brutal. Their dollar is weak. We saw in Kalisha's article how much of an advantage a star/elite player has in keeping his money by going to a no tax state, which typically has better weather. Yes, they do have a fan base where hockey is the #1 sport in that city. In the Sun Belt, hockey can be an afterthought, especially in basketball country. 

But, even then, why do the Sun Belt states attract better talent? The answer isn't to switch the salary cap around. That would give your Rangers a distinct advantage. It wouldn't, necessarily, help your Canadian teams either. 

My suspicion though is that the NHL has been trying to help these teams, because they definitely seem favored in the draft lottery. This is about the only way they can do it. So, I reject the premise of the article.

[FredJohnson]

not at the rate of fans in the bigger cities.

This is why we’re “flyover” country. 

[Burnt Toast]

The Canadian teams are getting hosed plain and simple. Next are the tax states. It’s an NBA problem too. I want a decent commissioner asap as Bettman has his priorities mixed up. He’s focused on little money manipulations instead of big picture growth. I’d say small minded. Find a way to reinstate a real life competitive playing field for every team. It definitely can be done if the owners, players and agents can work together to grow the game the right way. Certain cities, states and even countries will have an appeal for different types of players but straight up cash should not be used as a competitive advantage. FIX IT!! 

[Burnt Toast]

5 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

So, I reject the premise of the article.

100% agree with you here. MLB is broken. A hard salary cap is the only way for parity. Hopefully the LTIR abuse will be reigned in soon. It’s gotten way out of hand. 

[Will D. Ness]

Hard cap is the only way.  Never let money put a thumb on the scale.

[1Brotherbill]

Warm Market teams, Tampa, Dallas, Florida, Colorado, Anaheim, Carolina, Vegas, Nashville, San Jose, Columbus, Seattle, Utah. 

Cold Market teams, Montreal, Detroit, Toronto, Boston, Chicago, Rangers, Oilers, Philadelphia, Islanders, New Jersey, Minnesota, St. Louis, Los Angeles, Vancouver, Washington, Buffalo, Ottawa, Winnipeg, Pittsburgh.

Los Agneles goes into the Cold Market category because they are a 1967 team.  Columbus, Seattle, and Utah go into the Warm Market because they are expansion teams.  The Minnesota North Stars played for the 1991 cup so they get put in the Cold Market for one of the Stars finals appearance. 

Since 1990.  46 Cold Market teams have played in the Stanley Cup finals.  23 Warm Market teams have played for the Stanley Cup finals.  Cold Market Teams have won 23 cups, Warm Market have won 10.

It really isn't a mater of the warmer markets being a problem it is that they are being run by a better organization.  Tampa and Florida have had success in the last few years.  But we often forget that they both have been in the league for 30 years and for a vast majority of that time they were terrible.  

Run your organization better and you will have a better shot at winning a Stanley Cup.  St. Louis won it with a bunch of castoffs a few years ago.  

 

[Fezig]

18 hours ago, Scalptrash said:

It's not sun belt teams that are winning, it's large market teams. There is more to the story and how the NHL generates revenue and avoids losing revenue. Welcome to the modern era of professional sports. The leagues dictate, in one way or another, who succeeds, to some degree. Not trying to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but there is a lot going on behind the scenes with the league, owners and player association. One example, why is the draft lottery conducted behind closed doors? Why is that even necessary? How did Chicago conveniently get the first pick after Kane and Towes left the team? Just ask the Timberwolves about "draft lottery" luck.

Why are elite players conveniently traded without any discussion or negotiation? Examples: Rantanen and/or Doncic.

Don't plan on the Wild appearing in any cup championship games until there is a new owner, NHL commissioner, and the league is exposed. The Wild are a successful franchise and everyone involved is happy, or at least content. As long as tickets are being sold and the team is generating revenue, it's good enough.

There are no conspiracies and there are no coincidences. No doubt that Bettman has stacked the deck.

[Pewterschmidt]

3 hours ago, Fezig said:

There are no conspiracies and there are no coincidences. No doubt that Bettman has stacked the deck.

Bettman stacking the deck is a conspiracy.  Which is it Andre?