Article: New Team Linked to Wild's Marco Rossi in Trade Rumors

[Thomas Williams]

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[Citizen Strife]

*sings to self*

The circus never ends, my friends, my friends.  

[0 Stanley Cups]

The longer this Rossi thing continues, the increased likelihood of BG fubar-ing this thing up.

[Pewterschmidt]

If we trade Rossi for another young D-man I'm done trying to understand bill's long-term plan and will determine that there is no plan

Edited 10 hours ago by Pewterschmidt

[WildNotMild]

Billy and lots of people have said Rossi is the best trade chip as part of a package to get a better center.  If he is instead traded for a winger or d-man, how does this help the center position?

Billy is already strongly linked to Boeser, please don’t trade Rossi unless it is for another center.  Yurov might be great or might have a learning curve, either way, it is too much to expect 60 points from him out of the gate.

[mnfaninnc]

I thought Byram was a smaller D, turns out he's 6'1" 205. Did they just make this up knowing I'd look?

If this is the direction we are going in, then where do we go with Brodin? Seems that he'd be the odd man out. 

Then, where do we go with forwards? 

If we resign Byram, it will likely be for higher than Brodin makes, and Brodin is a very valuable defender. I thought you were supposed to trade from your strengths, not keep accumulating the same strengths? Am I missing something here? 

I do think there is a deal to be had here, I'm just not sure that Peterka is so much better than Rossi if we switched Rossi to wing. Now, if a deal is going to include Tuch, you've got my ear.

[fikifuka]

27 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

I thought Byram was a smaller D, turns out he's 6'1" 205. Did they just make this up knowing I'd look?

If this is the direction we are going in, then where do we go with Brodin? Seems that he'd be the odd man out. 

Then, where do we go with forwards? 

If we resign Byram, it will likely be for higher than Brodin makes, and Brodin is a very valuable defender. I thought you were supposed to trade from your strengths, not keep accumulating the same strengths? Am I missing something here? 

I do think there is a deal to be had here, I'm just not sure that Peterka is so much better than Rossi if we switched Rossi to wing. Now, if a deal is going to include Tuch, you've got my ear.

Rossi is a (pretty good) center, nothing else. 

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If you package Rossi and Spurgeon for Peterka and Byram I could at least understand it, but Rossi for a defenseman? No.  We have those.

[MrCheatachu]

I saw a blurb this weekend, from maybe Frank Seravalli, that VAN was offering up the 15th pick in the draft and SillyG was shopping that around for a player they actually wanted.

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[Citizen Strife]

20 minutes ago, fikifuka said:

Rossi is a (pretty good) center, nothing else. 

Because we already know Hartman is, "fine or good in a certain situation), and Yurov is"We don't fucking know," Rossi being pretty good solves a lot.

[B1GKappa97]

37 minutes ago, MrCheatachu said:

I saw a blurb this weekend, from maybe Frank Seravalli, that VAN was offering up the 15th pick in the draft and SillyG was shopping that around for a player they actually wanted.

Worth asking!

[mnfaninnc]

Nobody should be trading their top 6 center for #15 in this year's draft. This is a week draft. Don't fall for the hype. Besides, #15 is an underpayment. If Vancouver gets Rossi, nothing less than Pettersson (the center) will do.

[Scalptrash]

3 hours ago, 0 Stanley Cups said:

The longer this Rossi thing continues, the increased likelihood of BG fubar-ing this thing up.

There was never a time when he wasn't going to F this up. Just by not re-signing him is already F'ed up.

[Scalptrash]

2 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

If we trade Rossi for another young D-man I'm done trying to understand bill's long-term plan and will determine that there is no plan

There never was a plan, it's all for buying time and job security.

[Imyourhuckleberry]

1 hour ago, Scalptrash said:

There was never a time when he wasn't going to F this up. Just by not re-signing him is already F'ed up.

Why is the assumption that Guerin is going to make a bad move?

Guerin made an offer before the season that Rossi's agents decided was not enough. Nobody knows what offer the Rossi camp would have accepted before the season. If the best offer Guerin is fielding is the 15th pick in the draft, Rossi will be playing for the Wild next season.

[Willy the poor boy]

11 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

Why is the assumption that Guerin is going to make a bad move?

Guerin made an offer before the season that Rossi's agents decided was not enough. Nobody knows what offer the Rossi camp would have accepted before the season. If the best offer Guerin is fielding is the 15th pick in the draft, Rossi will be playing for the Wild next season.

Zegras for Ryan Poehling (one of us) a 2nd this year and a 4th next year. I'd be surprised if he was offered anything better than a 15'th or a player(s) that would have equal value coming back. 

[Scalptrash]

8 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

Why is the assumption that Guerin is going to make a bad move?

Guerin made an offer before the season that Rossi's agents decided was not enough. Nobody knows what offer the Rossi camp would have accepted before the season. If the best offer Guerin is fielding is the 15th pick in the draft, Rossi will be playing for the Wild next season.

History tends to repeat itself. Apparently you're one of the few that haven't noticed, Billy makes bad decisions all the time. Looking at his trade history, the only one that stands out as a known win is getting a 2nd and 5th for Greenway. All of his other trades were losses or he got lucky.

[Imyourhuckleberry]

8 minutes ago, Willy the poor boy said:

Zegras for Ryan Poehling (one of us) a 2nd this year and a 4th next year. I'd be surprised if he was offered anything better than a 15'th or a player(s) that would have equal value coming back. 

After 2 injury plagued years where Zegras totaled 47 points across 86 games, I would guess that Rossi is actually valued a bit higher than Zegras today, but hard to know for sure unless he gets traded.

[Imyourhuckleberry]

1 minute ago, Scalptrash said:

All of his other trades were losses or he got lucky.

I guess he "gets lucky" more often than not, huh?

[Scalptrash]

Just now, Imyourhuckleberry said:

I guess he "gets lucky" more often than not, huh?

Examples? If you are referring to the Fiala trade, Ohgren may never play full time for the Wild, he is on the trading block as well. Nobody knew what Faber was going to be in the NHL, he was a hometown throw in. I'd really like to hear what other winning trades he's made? This years were abysmal at best. He gave away valuable assets and got nothing in return. Let me guess, Jiricek? LOL

[mnfaninnc]

20 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

Examples? If you are referring to the Fiala trade, Ohgren may never play full time for the Wild, he is on the trading block as well. Nobody knew what Faber was going to be in the NHL, he was a hometown throw in. I'd really like to hear what other winning trades he's made? This years were abysmal at best. He gave away valuable assets and got nothing in return. Let me guess, Jiricek? LOL

I would say Bogosian worked out, he's way better than Addison (even though they were different trades). Gustavsson worked out. Picking Chisholm off the scrap heap worked out. Trading up for The Wall and Buium worked out. I think you need a different narrative.

[Pewterschmidt]

2 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

Trading up for The Wall and Buium worked out.

Preemptive to say Wall OR Buium worked out.  Neither has played their way into the nhl lineup yet.  Both had opportunities.  Both failed on those opportunities so far.  
Please stand down if your typing a “z boo was thrown into the playoffs at 19…”.  I agree, but what evidence do we have that either of these picks were wins for bill?

[Pewterschmidt]

4 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

Preemptive to say Wall OR Buium worked out.  Neither has played their way into the nhl lineup yet.  Both had opportunities.  Both failed on those opportunities so far.  
Please stand down if your typing a “z boo was thrown into the playoffs at 19…”.  I agree, but what evidence do we have that either of these picks were wins for bill?

Troy Riddle was an ncaa beast too.  But P-tomahawk, why don’t you like z boo?  I love z boo, I’ve just seen enough can’t miss prospects come thru this town, that missed.   We’ve got a bunch in Iowa currently that the clock is ticking on.  
 

“we were surprised he was there at 12 when we picked him bob lob law” - Judd the Pud

#belessgullible

[Imyourhuckleberry]

27 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

Ohgren may never play full time for the Wild, he is on the trading block as well. Nobody knew what Faber was going to be in the NHL

Ohgren was a 2022 draft pick at #19 and doesn't turn 22 until January. There are roughly 20 players from that draft with more NHL points currently(including David Jiricek). He was highly productive in the AHL. He's about to play regularly for the Wild if they don't trade him for an upgraded player. He's a nice asset.

NHL fans didn't know how good Faber might be, but the Wild were paying attention and made a trade that the Wild fans wouldn't have imagined working out as well as it has, but it was a good trade.

Most people thought the Gustavsson deal was terrible when it was made, but Gus has been a top 10 goalie 2 out of 3 seasons for the Wild. After hearing trade talk last summer, I had said multiple times that trading Gus last offseason would have almost certainly been a terrible move, and Guerin ultimately didn't make the move. The value wasn't there for him, so he kept his player.

His entire his tenure has been saddled with contracts for Suter and Parise, never of which was close to being worth their contract value when Guerin became GM. I've been skeptical of plenty of moves, but many have worked out fine if not really well. If every good move is attributed to luck and every mediocre move is simply dumb, even when it achieves desired results of the GM, I'm not sure you can evaluate anything objectively.

 

 

[Pewterschmidt]

10 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

Ohgren was a 2022 draft pick at #19 and doesn't turn 22 until January.

If Ogz gets traded (which I believe will happen). That’s an admission of failure when trading a nearly 22yr old first round pick 

now people will justify it as “you have to give up value to get value” which I agree with but in this circumstance if Wild like that first round pick they keep him and ride that cheap contract and extract the value.