Article: Can the Wild Get Better By Standing Pat?

[Dango]

Go and get Marchment from Dallas as the shiny new object ,  Extend Olegovich , bridge Rossi 2x6 , 

 

Oh yeah fire Bettman 

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[Patrick]

15 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

I thinks it’s Rossi + Ogz to BUF for Peterka + 3rd rd. prospect BUF drafted in 2022

Rossi is better than Peterka.  How does this make sense?

[FredJohnson]

2 hours ago, Scalptrash said:

If he wants his name on the cup, he'll leave. The only reason he'll stay is for more cash and more security. Which is more important to him? Time will tell.

Everyone is predicting 15x8 (too much IMO, injury prone). If he rejects that offer, the Wild should trade him immediately.

Here’s the thing…unless KK97 has a clause in his contract that controls where he can be traded to (limited or no trade clause) he has 0 control over going to a cup contender until his current deal runs out. Note: KK97 has intimated that he’ll re-sign here.

[FredJohnson]

50 minutes ago, Dango said:

Oh yeah fire Bettman 

I regret that I have but one 💙 to give.

[FredJohnson]

19 hours ago, Tony Abbott said:

Well, when they make that trade you'll get to have a big, big laugh, won't you?

I’m laughing at what ODD posted. 😂

[FredJohnson]

19 hours ago, Beast said:

Yurov isn’t going to come in and light the world on fire.

Yurov just has to be better than NoJo or Freddy to improve our roster.

The bar is low.

[mnfaninnc]

21 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

Kap wants to compete. When a team competes, they do not rely so heavily on rooks or youth. We are overloaded with both - Faber, Rossi, Wally, Yurov, Zeev, Jiri, H&H boys, Ohgren are all still young.

I think this is where we have the communication problem. If Kap wants to compete, he's looking at a team outside of the top 10. I'm pretty sure what you mean is Kap wants to contend. Teams that contend have seasoned their young players into more than just getting acclimated. Boldy, Faber and Rossi should be past that point this season. 

If we play the kids, the 4 or 5 rookies plus the other 3 young guys, could we contend in 2 years? If I'm sitting in Kaprizov's shoes, I would be thinking that I like the area and the lifestyle, I like where this team is headed going forward, they are a lot closer than the "experts" think. Or, I could not sign and turn my life upside down and try to make it to a different contender. Most of those "contenders" do not have the cap room I need for my contract. I think, instead, I'm willing to go ahead with the Wild's plan, but not on 8 years, more like 5. If I'm not contending then, the team will have to do it without me. 

In those 5 years, I've made enough money to do whatever I want after hockey, and I still have time to be a hired gun for a contender. I'm thinking a 5 year, $70m deal would be enough to stay, and I'll still be paid nicely on 1 year deals after that. 

If I'm that type of player, this is the career planning I shoot for. I'll do as much as I can to be on a contending team, but if they're not there, I'm financially sound in an area I like to be in. I'd also think that my locker room voice can bring these younger guys along quicker than most, and I will demand excellence. 

Back to the beginning, sometimes the words "contend" and "compete" get used interchangeably. The issue is that they are very different words and should be used that way.

[raithis]

20 hours ago, Beast said:

Absolutely not.

They were healthy. They got all anyone could ask for from Kaprisov, Boldy, and Gus in the playoffs.  Hartman even played well. Rossi chipped in (from the 4th line, inexplicably). They still couldn’t even come close to escaping the first round, let alone something like the conference finals.

What could possibly improve?  Gaudreau or Mojo somehow become a 30 goal scorer?

Yurov isn’t going to come in and light the world on fire.

If they can’t get a deal done, I don’t want to hear the “aw shucks, we tried.”  Guerin has been planning/building for this moment since he wrote off Parise and Suter.  If he comes out of this off-season without a significantly better team, that’s a result of his poor decision making, and he absolutely needs to be fired.  

 

I'd argue two things:

1.  Faber was worn out by the end of the season from playing so much when other defensemen were hurt.  He was playing 27+ mins per game for a large chunk of the season and played a lot during 4 Nations.  His play dropped off quite a bit because of it.  The Wild need to be able to depend on more than Faber if Spurgeon or Brodin get hurt.

2.  How is it that the Wild did not come close to making it out of the first round?  The series went 6 games and the only game that Vegas beat the Wild by more than 1 goal was the first game where they won 4-2.  A number of games went to overtime.  Sure seems like the Wild hung with Vegas for most of that series.

A little more offense and youth definitely makes us better.  And it won't take much for people like Yurov, Buium, Jiricek, etc to do more than the players they would be replacing.  But if they do more than that, that's huge.

[Pewterschmidt]

1 hour ago, Patrick said:

Rossi is better than Peterka.  How does this make sense?

I'm not saying this is a winning trade by the Wild.  I'm saying this is what gets done after handicapping bill's GM abilities.

[Citizen Strife]

The thing is Kap knows he has some decent talent around him already.  He has never struck me as a me first kind of guy, and he's pretty much THE face of the franchise and is treated as such and also left alone otherwise.

He basically has money to burn and the assurance that this team has literally no choice but to keep him.  Guerin would pay him a desperation tax of a extra mil or two, even if Kap or his agent didn't need or want to.

He has no incentive to stay, but he also has every incentive at the same time.

 

 

 

 

 

[Pewterschmidt]

1 hour ago, Dango said:

Go and get Marchment from Dallas as the shiny new object

This is a great idea.  I hate this guy, but would love him in the green and wheat.  brings some Rat and grit to the group

[mnfaninnc]

20 hours ago, Beast said:

If they can’t get a deal done, I don’t want to hear the “aw shucks, we tried.”  Guerin has been planning/building for this moment since he wrote off Parise and Suter.  If he comes out of this off-season without a significantly better team, that’s a result of his poor decision making, and he absolutely needs to be fired.  

I can't agree with this take. I don't want to spend to spend. This offseason had all 32 teams gain about $7m in new cap space. There isn't much of that cap crunch now with teams except in Dallas and CO. Simply put, demand is far higher than supply. Sometimes it's not all about money either. We've got the cap expanding over the next several years, too. That means teams will have room to sign guys.

If what you're looking for isn't available this offseason, just wait until January and be aggressive there. But don't be aggressive stupid, be smart and target what you want. If it's not their, don't feel obligated to pick up another Marty Havlat. Keep yourself in position for the next opportunity like a Rantanen becoming available. 

[OldDutchChip]

45 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

I think this is where we have the communication problem. If Kap wants to compete, he's looking at a team outside of the top 10. I'm pretty sure what you mean is Kap wants to contend. Teams that contend have seasoned their young players into more than just getting acclimated. Boldy, Faber and Rossi should be past that point this season. 

If we play the kids, the 4 or 5 rookies plus the other 3 young guys, could we contend in 2 years? If I'm sitting in Kaprizov's shoes, I would be thinking that I like the area and the lifestyle, I like where this team is headed going forward, they are a lot closer than the "experts" think. Or, I could not sign and turn my life upside down and try to make it to a different contender. Most of those "contenders" do not have the cap room I need for my contract. I think, instead, I'm willing to go ahead with the Wild's plan, but not on 8 years, more like 5. If I'm not contending then, the team will have to do it without me. 

In those 5 years, I've made enough money to do whatever I want after hockey, and I still have time to be a hired gun for a contender. I'm thinking a 5 year, $70m deal would be enough to stay, and I'll still be paid nicely on 1 year deals after that. 

If I'm that type of player, this is the career planning I shoot for. I'll do as much as I can to be on a contending team, but if they're not there, I'm financially sound in an area I like to be in. I'd also think that my locker room voice can bring these younger guys along quicker than most, and I will demand excellence. 

Back to the beginning, sometimes the words "contend" and "compete" get used interchangeably. The issue is that they are very different words and should be used that way.

sorry - i meant contend. and his time is now. two year "wait and see" means Kap is 30. does it benefit Wild to wait for youth to "blossom" and hope Kap ages well (if he re-ups) or would a smarter move be - cash in some of youth and go in now - you'll give yourself immediate contention window and more certainty that you can actually achieve the goal. 

[mnfaninnc]

20 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

you think Yzerman won't consider dealing Larkin for Faber and Rossi and prospect/pick? that team is going nowhere and it may buy him more time to play GM.

I don't think Yzerman will consider it, I think he needs to win this year, not buy more time. For him, I think a better deal is going after Spurgeon. Spurgy doesn't have a lot of fits, but I think this one is one. He needs the playoffs, and, honestly, we could use the roster space. I think a Danielson for Spurgeon could work out for both teams. Detroit needs a few more players who have been to the playoffs to get there. 3 years in a row they've been positioned to get past that barrier and wilted.

20 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

same for Sabres GM - you think a "reset' of sorts will give him some job security? Yes, sir. And for a GM on that trash team - that may be worth dealing. Either that or he is out.

I think this is our best chance at a team willing to deal. While I think we could cash in on Lafreniere, I do think Buffalo needs a reset. The thing is, both teams are talking about the same thing, trading out prospects for help now. Maybe instead we can each help the other's deficiencies with strength? Buffalo is in an unenviable position of being the top 3 American teams that are listed on 10 team NTCs. 

[mnfaninnc]

12 hours ago, DennisIN said:

Improvement candidates: Rossi, Boldy, Brock, Hartmann, Trenin

Is this because Hartman and Trenin had such terrible regular season?

[mnfaninnc]

11 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

or would a smarter move be - cash in some of youth and go in now - you'll give yourself immediate contention window and more certainty that you can actually achieve the goal. 

Only for the right guys, not just to change things up.

[OldDutchChip]

11 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

I don't think Yzerman will consider it, I think he needs to win this year, not buy more time. For him, I think a better deal is going after Spurgeon. Spurgy doesn't have a lot of fits, but I think this one is one. He needs the playoffs, and, honestly, we could use the roster space. I think a Danielson for Spurgeon could work out for both teams. Detroit needs a few more players who have been to the playoffs to get there. 3 years in a row they've been positioned to get past that barrier and wilted.

I think this is our best chance at a team willing to deal. While I think we could cash in on Lafreniere, I do think Buffalo needs a reset. The thing is, both teams are talking about the same thing, trading out prospects for help now. Maybe instead we can each help the other's deficiencies with strength? Buffalo is in an unenviable position of being the top 3 American teams that are listed on 10 team NTCs. 

Red Wings are going nowhere, and even Steve Y with "life-time" contract needs to deliver and the product on the ice is just not good. They may sneak as a WC but that team is just not that good. they still have Vlady on that team and likely will resign Kane? Yuck! I think i'd rather have Nyquist than vlady - yeap!

guess we don't know what he'll do, but if approached - i think Steve will listen. 

Buffalo is a call for sure. And let's not forget Canes and Stars - they are always dealing - so maybe there is a way to get in and come out ahead. 

 

 

[OldDutchChip]

14 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

Only for the right guys, not just to change things up.

yeap agree

to be considered serious trade partners we have to actually be willing to deal players other team want