Article: Where Would Rossi Go In A 2020 Redraft?

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[Willy the poor boy]

Rossi wouldn't have been taken 4'th in a redraft. He's WAY to short. Maybe 4'th in the 2'nd round...🙃

[Enforceror]

39 minutes ago, Willy the poor boy said:

Rossi wouldn't have been taken 4'th in a redraft. He's WAY to short. Maybe 4'th in the 2'nd round...🙃

We just need to get him some taller skates. Problem solved?

[NoJoSux]

Lundell with another assist tonight on a huge opening goal for Florida. Gets the best of Draisaitl coming off the draw. Possesses the puck and gets it out front. Grinds to win it back with a stick-slap. Marchand scores on the melee. 

I'm telling ya, the possession metrics and perimeter, finesse crap you get from players like Rossi, Marner, Fiala, etc. might add up to a lot of points during the regular season but the playoffs is different. Florida has a team that plays winning hockey. Maurice is a way better coach than most. He made Winnipeg better when he was there and has since pretty much only gone to Cup Finals. 

Minnesota is lacking size, playoff experience, winners, clutch-gamebreakers, and coaching gurus, not to mention special teams, faceoffs, and defensive shutdown lines. The Wild still don't roll four lines, have a brutal PP/PK offset ratio, and the GM/Coach play NoJo as if he's not a consistent minus player who rarely gets some offensive breaks.  

[Mateo3xm]

4 hours ago, Willy the poor boy said:

Rossi wouldn't have been taken 4'th in a redraft. He's WAY to short. Maybe 4'th in the 2'nd round...🙃

He’d probably go between 6-8th in the first round. There’s o way he falls to the 2nd round after knowing how well he’s done now.

[mnfaninnc]

I still think Rossi might have fallen. What's amazing is his production in 2 seasons in spite of his health scare. Really, that's the biggest issue with him, and he has recovered. When we drafted him, I think he was listed at 185. I expected him to naturally fill out to 195, but the health scare stole most of his built up muscle. 

He's had to work hard to get it back, I just don't think he's finished yet. If I were redrafting, my hope would be that someone would have taken Lafreniere a little higher, and that Lundell would have dropped into our lap. He had plenty of offensive upside, and will end up being as good defensively as Koivu, but with more offense. We had the pick between the 2 and I think we blew the pick based upon our style of play.

But Rossi has been good too. Would he get a longterm deal if he built his body into 195 and tweaked his edge work? I think Guerin would feel far more comfortable with that.

[mnfaninnc]

10 hours ago, NoJoSux said:

Minnesota is lacking size, playoff experience, winners, clutch-gamebreakers, and coaching gurus, not to mention special teams, faceoffs, and defensive shutdown lines.

I found it interesting that the Oilers and Panthers would have a meltdown moment in the finals. We need a couple of these in each of the next 2 seasons. It will be interesting to see if suspensions come out of this. I can say the referees will be scrutinized and this will not be a fun journey for them. Losing control of a game never is. And, this included 8 minor penalties in the 1st period. It's not like they didn't try.

[FredJohnson]

Guys like Lafrenière, Stützle, and Perfetti aren’t 200 lbs. No way they’ll ever be any good. (Snark)

[Willy the poor boy]

11 hours ago, Mateo3xm said:

He’d probably go between 6-8th in the first round. There’s o way he falls to the 2nd round after knowing how well he’s done now.

Tongue in cheek humor...

[Imyourhuckleberry]

17 hours ago, Willy the poor boy said:

Rossi wouldn't have been taken 4'th in a redraft.

No, he wouldn't. Seems like fairly shoddy work when the ordering of points per game isn't even done correctly.

Here's a redraft based on best player available (BPA) using point-per-game: 

1. Stützle (Rangers): 0.89 points (367 games played) 
2. Raymond (Kings): 0.79 points (320 games played) 
3. Jarvis (Senators): 0.70 points (304 games played) 
4. Rossi (Red Wings): 0.55 points (185 games played) 
5. Perfetti (Senators): 0.56 points (222 games played) 
6. Sanderson (Ducks): 0.54 points (236 games played)
7. Byfield (Devils): 0.55 points (260 games played) 
8. Lundell (Sabers): 0.53 points (295 games played) 
9. Mercer (Wild): 0.51 points (328 games played) 
10. Lafreniere (Jets): 0.51 points  (380 games played) 

Perfetti clearly has more points per game up there. Byfield does as well even though that's more difficult to determine with both being listed at .55.

Byfield has slightly higher PPG using stats for all seasons, and he's nearly a year younger and MUCH larger. He played 6 games at age 18 while Rossi didn't see NHL ice until his age 20 season, so if you go just with the most recent 3 seasons, Byfield is at .612 while Rossi is at .552.

Even Laffy Taffy hits .576 points per game if you use just the last 3 seasons, and Lafreniere is 18 days younger than Rossi, so using just those seasons makes a lot of sense.

Sanderson is also a defenseman, so being close there could favor the defender. There is certainly an argument to be made that Rossi is a better offensive player than Lundell. Rossi around 7th or 8th could make sense given that he was anticipated to go in the top 8 originally, but 4th is a sham in so many different ways, it's quite laughable.

Rossi is a good NHL player, and will be paid decently, but let's please not incorrectly deliver stats to make him look more accomplished than he is.

[Scalptrash]

This dead horse has been beaten enough. See ya Marco, welcome old guy.

[mnfaninnc]

Alexis Lafreniere is 6'2" 196 as listed by the NYR. He's 23. Could he have a problem similar to what Rossi found out? What would happen if Lafreniere showed up to camp ripped and weighing in at 210? Yes, that would be Ek size.

Would that extra strength give Lafreniere an advantage he has not had? I think it's a possibility to the shock of no-one.

Here's part of a scouting report on him:

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A gifted and versatile scoring winger with outstanding hockey sense and the ability to elevate his game when the situation calls for it, Lafreniere possesses many traits that scream elite and potential NHL superstar. From his deadly wrist shot to his superior playmaking and vision, the St. Eustache native checks every block imaginable when it comes to possessing the puck. What makes Lafreniere unique, however, is his insanely high compete level, tenacity on the puck, physicality, and selflessness. Play him on a line with equally heralded or accomplished prospects, and he’ll make it a point to tap into their strengths rather than make himself the center of attention.

Lafreniere is an excellent skater in all directions, but his powerful stride allows him to separate from opponents in open ice. It’s rare to see a winger nearing 200 pounds of any age to be able to turn on the jets immediately following a physical battle, but Lafreniere’s foot speed, long stride, and expert anticipation places him in open ice with a numbers advantage multiple times a period, let alone an entire game. Playing in a junior league has something to do with that, but there no reason to believe his escapability in close contact won’t translate to success within the trenches of NHL warfare, where time and space are earned the hard way. Lafreniere can tailor his game to fit any style of play, and his ability to play physical causes significant matchup problems for smaller opponents.

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So we know what he’s done, but how has he done it? Lafrenière truly is an all-round, elite player with an offensive gift. The offense runs through him. He can cycle the offensive end on his own, finding the perfect pass for an assist or the best positioning for a shot. His offensive awareness is off the charts. He reads defences so well that when you watch him play it looks like he visualizes the path to the net and he takes it.

If you’re one-on-one against him, expect to lose. He’s a very creative player, that can go through the opposition or blow past them. His biggest progression this season has been his skating. He’s a powerful skater who can accelerate with ease, often leaving defenders in his snow. It’s evident that he likes to pass, based on his assist totals through the years, but when he pulls out his wrist shot – watch out. It’s hard, it’s fast, it’s accurate.

From his draft year, Alexis Lafreniere has actually grown 1" and 4 lbs. That's it. Could it be that the advantage he had in jrs. had a lot to do with being to big to handle for most prospects? He appears to have done 0 weight training based upon the above figures. Did moving to the NHL and facing guys as big or perhaps a little bigger stifle his play? I'd have to point my finger and say Bingo.

There are 2 theories that I could have concerning Lafreniere. 1) not having the same immediate success as in jrs., especially when you've been pegged a generational talent in a huge market like NY can be overwhelming for a teenager. 2) not building the extra 15 lbs. of muscle you needed to contend at this level is probably a major reason for #1 on this list. 

I believe that if we trade Rossi, NYR probably has the best roster to help us. Adding a scorer also helps. I really wish he were right handed. But if you got this kid out of NY, gave him a little peace of mind and instructed him he needed a big offseason of physical development, sent him to camp Ek, and brought him back at 210, I think you could see that generational talent. I would be willing to take that chance....if I had a chance to talk to him before pulling the trigger.

Lafreniere already has a $51m contract under his belt. Where's the motivation to go through the grind of a summer instead of enjoying yourself? Well, based upon the quotes above, he took a doormat on his shoulders and made them a contender. By talking to him, you can find out if that fire still burns. 

I would love to bring over Lafreniere and Kreider. NYR is still trying to shed cap and Kreider is at $6.5m for 2 more seasons. We can fit him in. Going through the quick look at the puckpedia teams, it also appears that the Wild may be the best team with cap room for this. Cap wise, Lafreniere and Rossi will be mostly a wash, so we'd have to pick up the $6.5m where we have room. We will also need to shed some of our bottom 6 to make room for the kids. 

Rossi going to Vancouver sounds like a disaster. Lafreniere has definitely disappointed NYR fans and coaches alike. Vancouver has the Shooter whisperer on their team which I fear will have undo influence on the trade. So, in Pewter fashion I will end with

#don'tbedumbbill

[Mateo3xm]

On 6/10/2025 at 10:04 AM, Imyourhuckleberry said:

No, he wouldn't. Seems like fairly shoddy work when the ordering of points per game isn't even done correctly.

Here's a redraft based on best player available (BPA) using point-per-game: 

1. Stützle (Rangers): 0.89 points (367 games played) 
2. Raymond (Kings): 0.79 points (320 games played) 
3. Jarvis (Senators): 0.70 points (304 games played) 
4. Rossi (Red Wings): 0.55 points (185 games played) 
5. Perfetti (Senators): 0.56 points (222 games played) 
6. Sanderson (Ducks): 0.54 points (236 games played)
7. Byfield (Devils): 0.55 points (260 games played) 
8. Lundell (Sabers): 0.53 points (295 games played) 
9. Mercer (Wild): 0.51 points (328 games played) 
10. Lafreniere (Jets): 0.51 points  (380 games played) 

Perfetti clearly has more points per game up there. Byfield does as well even though that's more difficult to determine with both being listed at .55.

Byfield has slightly higher PPG using stats for all seasons, and he's nearly a year younger and MUCH larger. He played 6 games at age 18 while Rossi didn't see NHL ice until his age 20 season, so if you go just with the most recent 3 seasons, Byfield is at .612 while Rossi is at .552.

Even Laffy Taffy hits .576 points per game if you use just the last 3 seasons, and Lafreniere is 18 days younger than Rossi, so using just those seasons makes a lot of sense.

Sanderson is also a defenseman, so being close there could favor the defender. There is certainly an argument to be made that Rossi is a better offensive player than Lundell. Rossi around 7th or 8th could make sense given that he was anticipated to go in the top 8 originally, but 4th is a sham in so many different ways, it's quite laughable.

Rossi is a good NHL player, and will be paid decently, but let's please not incorrectly deliver stats to make him look more accomplished than he is.

This is all true but if you consider all these prospects first two seasons, I bet Rossi would be some where at the top in ppg for those two seasons. A lot on here have 3 seasons under there belt or more and they are gradually going to get better. Rossi missed a year of development because of serious illness. 

[Mateo3xm]

On 6/10/2025 at 12:52 PM, mnfaninnc said:

Lafreniere has definitely disappointed NYR fans and coaches alike.

Laf hasn’t been a disappointment. You just hear a lot of rumblings from dumb impatient fans. He scored 28 goals as a 22yr old. He’s a LW. Look at who’s in front of him on the depth chart of LW. Panarin, Kreider and even JT. Miller plays LW. They also have Cuylle that plays LW. He’s just been buried on the 3rd line and he’s young. I don’t think he gets a lot of PP time either.

[mnfaninnc]

1 hour ago, Mateo3xm said:

Laf hasn’t been a disappointment. You just hear a lot of rumblings from dumb impatient fans. He scored 28 goals as a 22yr old. He’s a LW. Look at who’s in front of him on the depth chart of LW. Panarin, Kreider and even JT. Miller plays LW. They also have Cuylle that plays LW. He’s just been buried on the 3rd line and he’s young. I don’t think he gets a lot of PP time either.

If we traded Rossi for him, are you thinking we got a steal then?

[Up North Guy]

4 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

If we traded Rossi for him, are you thinking we got a steal then?

If we made that trade I would want a little more back due to positional value.

[Mateo3xm]

6 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

If we traded Rossi for him, are you thinking we got a steal then?

I just don’t see it being a realistic trade. I wouldn’t be mad if we got him though. I think he’s got the potential to be really good . NY has done a terrible job of developing Laf and Kappo. Under a different team I think he’d be really good. I don’t think NY wants an undersized center though.