Article: The Wild Created A Self-Fulfilling Prophecy With Marco Rossi

[OldDutchChip]

11 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

Lol.  My point is pretty clear.  You said the same thing about Boldy a few months ago.  Boldy had a rough December and you wanted to trade him.  He was never going to be anything and would fail in the playoffs.  Rossi “failed” in one month, March and now he sucks and will never be anything.  He played with the same players in January and February and did fine.

 

 

Boldy (a) delivered in the playoffs and (b) aligns on Kaprizov schedule (we do not have what-ifs, that we do with Rossi and do not have patients to let more time go by during Kaprizov's prime - assuming he resigns). Get it? or you want the never ending prospect and development circus?

Yes, Rossi did fail for 2 plus month leading up to PO. he then was MIA during the first two games. Then Trenin did all the dirty work on the boards and gifted him two brilliant passes. Good for Rossi to score them. What did he do for an encore? Sucked again and then played the worst game of his life when it mattered the most. FACTS. 

• We are building a team for the now. Rossi does not fit that.
• We are building a team that needs size up top to compliment and support Kap better. Rossi does not fit that. 
• We need a leader and someone who can drive his line now so that when it becomes tough for the top dogs to score, another one can stand up. Rossi did not do that. 

and then again with your over the top screams "...now he sucks and will never be anything" - go ahead and show me where i've stated that "he sucks  and will never be anything".... oh you said that, not me! i keep saying he is a good player but jsut not for us. yes he faltered during the last couple of month and had a bad PO, but that doesn't mean that he is a bad player. but you keep twisting my words to make your claims less absurd. i guess - go for it 🍻

[SkolWild73]

8 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

Boldy (a) delivered in the playoffs and (b) aligns on Kaprizov schedule (we do not have what-ifs, that we do with Rossi and do not have patients to let more time go by during Kaprizov's prime - assuming he resigns). Get it? or you want the never ending prospect and development circus?

Yes, Rossi did fail for 2 plus month leading up to PO. he then was MIA during the first two games. Then Trenin did all the dirty work on the boards and gifted him two brilliant passes. Good for Rossi to score them. What did he do for an encore? Sucked again and then played the worst game of his life when it mattered the most. FACTS. 

• We are building a team for the now. Rossi does not fit that.
• We are building a team that needs size up top to compliment and support Kap better. Rossi does not fit that. 
• We need a leader and someone who can drive his line now so that when it becomes tough for the top dogs to score, another one can stand up. Rossi did not do that. 

and then again with your over the top screams "...now he sucks and will never be anything" - go ahead and show me where i've stated that "he sucks  and will never be anything".... oh you said that, not me! i keep saying he is a good player but jsut not for us. yes he faltered during the last couple of month and had a bad PO, but that doesn't mean that he is a bad player. but you keep twisting my words to make your claims less absurd. i guess - go for it 🍻

What was my claim?  I showed his stats that showed he had one bad month.  That is it.

You say show me where you said he sucked?  Reread what you just wrote….

”What did he do for an encore?  Sucked again…”

Then you state three reasons why Rossi does not fit and call them Facts.  Not facts, opinions.

[OldDutchChip]

19 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

Also, please elaborate on my “delusionary thinking”, the definition of it is a “belief that is firmly held despite a lack of evidence or proof”.

i have tried many times. but you may be beyond my reach. but anyone who tries to use partial and biased stat-based analysis to prove his case and calls it a final claim and laughs off any other opinions is being dishonest. 

 

[SkolWild73]

4 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

i have tried many times. but you may be beyond my reach. but anyone who tries to use partial and biased stat-based analysis to prove his case and calls it a final claim and laughs off any other opinions is being dishonest. 

 

I wasnt proving any case!  All I showed were his stats by month that he had one bad month!  Then asked is one bad month enough to prove if he can be a 1c or 2c?  That is all.  How are those biased or partial stats?

I have stated multiple times I hope we can keep him under the right contract.  I have also said if we have to use him in a trade and it is an upgrade, great.  Have never said we must keep him

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[SkolWild73]

On a fun hockey note with no debate I hope. Is anyone watching this blues/jets game.  Two goals for the jets in the last two minutes with the last with 3 seconds to play to send it to overtime.  In second ot now.  What a game. 

[WildNotMild]

6 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

On a fun hockey note with no debate I hope. Is anyone watching this blues/jets game.  Two goals for the jets in the last two minutes with the last with 3 seconds to play to send it to overtime.  In second ot now.  What a game. 

If only Perfetti was taller and meaner, lol.

[SkolWild73]

10 minutes ago, WildNotMild said:

If only Perfetti was taller and meaner, lol.

What a comeback.  Blues fans and players must be sick. 

[OldDutchChip]

36 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

What was my claim?  I showed his stats that showed he had one bad month.  That is it.

You say show me where you said he sucked?  Reread what you just wrote….

”What did he do for an encore?  Sucked again…”

Then you state three reasons why Rossi does not fit and call them Facts.  Not facts, opinions.

he sucked during majority of the PO - but that doesn't mean he sucks as a player - he just doesn't fit.

ok here - let me make it clear for you. i have stated the following: 

Yes, Rossi did fail for 2 plus month leading up to PO. he then was MIA during the first two games. Then Trenin did all the dirty work on the boards and gifted him two brilliant passes. Good for Rossi to score them. What did he do for an encore? Sucked again and then played the worst game of his life when it mattered the most. FACTS.  

Yes, Rossi did fail for 2 plus month leading up to PO. Rossi stats for last 2 month of the year = 9 pts in 22 games. Do you think it's good numbers for top 6 center? i do not.

he then was MIA during the first two games. again yes. do you disagree?

Then Trenin did all the dirty work on the boards and gifted him two brilliant passes. Good for Rossi to score them. what is incorrect here?

What did he do for an encore? Sucked again and then played the worst game of his life when it mattered the most. what is wrong with this? 

I guess they are FACTS > Deal with them or don't

[OldDutchChip]

34 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

I wasnt proving any case!  All I showed were his stats by month that he had one bad month!  Then asked is one bad month enough to prove if he can be a 1c or 2c?  That is all.  How are those biased or partial stats?

I have stated multiple times I hope we can keep him under the right contract.  I have also said if we have to use him in a trade and it is an upgrade, great.  Have never said we must keep him

How are those biased or partial stats? because you used one stat. 🙂 that's it. do you understand that using one outcome instead of many is flawed? there are other variables that one can use to come up with a more unbiased claim. you did NONE of that. yet you claim that your opinion is superior to others. why exactly?

i added Trenin 2.15 pts per 60 mins for a specific reason - to show you how stats can be misleading. Trenin has outperformed boldy and fiala this year in production. But you can have a more broad view, and take in account more factors. But you don't. Alright buddy, i am done, but if you want to diversify your opinion to be unbiased - just look at G6 again and look at Rossi. Might help. Cheeers.

[SkolWild73]

5 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

How are those biased or partial stats? because you used one stat. 🙂 that's it. do you understand that using one outcome instead of many is flawed? there are other variables that one can use to come up with a more unbiased claim. you did NONE of that. yet you claim that your opinion is superior to others. why exactly?

i added Trenin 2.15 pts per 60 mins for a specific reason - to show you how stats can be misleading. Trenin has outperformed boldy and fiala this year in production. But you can have a more broad view, and take in account more factors. But you don't. Alright buddy, i am done, but if you want to diversify your opinion to be unbiased - just look at G6 again and look at Rossi. Might help. Cheeers.

When did I claim my opinion was superior?  What exact opinion or statement did I make that I said mine was superior to others?  I simply asked if one bad month is enough to say he cannot be a 1c or 2c.

 

I have said it multiple times the danger of judging a player in his first playoff series as what he is.  Many did with Boldy and were wrong.  Many players better than Rossi have had worse playoff series and ended up fine.

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[OldDutchChip]

13 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

When did I claim my opinion was superior?  What exact opinion or statement did I make that I said mine was superior to others?  I simply asked if one bad month is enough to say he cannot be a 1c or 2c.

 

I have said it multiple times the danger of judging a player in his first playoff series as what he is.  Many did with Boldy and were wrong.  Many players better than Rossi have had worse playoff series and ended up fine.

When did I claim my opinion was superior? everytime you post that claim shines through 😉 

Many players better than Rossi have had worse playoff series and ended up fine. sure and maybe for Sharks and Hawks this would be a blessing, but for us and for our timeline it really isn't. We have to adjust the approach because we have a game-changer (for now) so this wait-and-see approach is not for winners. i don't really care if Rossi becomes 1c or 2c in 4 years. i care about putting a winner out on the ice NOW because that is on Kap's timeline. Rossi struggled towards the end of the season (no matter what stats say), he struggled in the PO (and yes the coaches do know a thing or two and place a player on a line for a reason - see Harty), all ending with worst game i've seen from a Wild player in a long time. so wait and see is not for me, likely not for Billy and not for hines and def not for Kap. 

 

out of a funk towards and had the worst game of his career. You are