Article: The Wild Created A Self-Fulfilling Prophecy With Marco Rossi

[Imyourhuckleberry]

Rossi's future is bright. If the Wild trade Rossi, it is because they can get a more established great player in return. Whether he can elevate to a Marchand player is a legit question, but he's already a quality player who can help teams win.

[OldDutchChip]

2 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

Rossi's future is bright. If the Wild trade Rossi, it is because they can get a more established great player in return. Whether he can elevate to a Marchand player is a legit question, but he's already a quality player who can help teams win.

can we stop projecting Rossi to a Marchand? i get the trend using just points, but Marchand is an anomaly! he is a pest and future Hall of Famer. how about pausing a bit and project Rossi to a Pierre Marc Bouchard/Granny/Galchenyuk type. Maybe a barzal light? but common - no stop with Marchand. 

[Imyourhuckleberry]

5 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

can we stop projecting Rossi to a Marchand?

Well, I was only talking as far as points and career longevity. Marchand had 55 points in his age 23 NHL regular season, so still pretty even, but I'm not suggesting they have a similar game.

I'd like Boston to be considering the comparison because that's a team I'd be interested in trading with if the Wild are looking to move Rossi.

Daniel Briere might be comparable as well. Granlund has had a good career. Rossi has been a better goal scorer so far than him.

Edited Monday at 04:47 PM by Imyourhuckleberry

[OldDutchChip]

4 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

Well, I was only talking as far as points and career longevity. Marchand had 55 points in his age 23 NHL regular season, so still pretty even, but I'm not suggesting they have a similar game.

I'd like Boston to be considering the comparison because that's a team I'd be interested in trading with if the Wild are looking to move Rossi.

Daniel Briere might be comparable as well. Granlund has had a good career. Rossi has been a better goal scorer so far than him.

then let's not bring Marchand into this unfair comparison. because that is doing him a great disservice. we might as well start comparing Rossi to MacKinnon too, why not if we do it solely on PPG..... how about instead a more realistic comparison that looks at more than just scoring? let's compare to Bouchard or Granlund. To drive this home for everyone about Rossi=Marchand comparison flaw - 

Marchand's 1st NHL goal - he gives the opponent a very hard check into the boards before scoring shorty (physicality non-stop - youtube it and watch it)

look at his fight vs Subban in 2011 - look at them go the distance and refusing to stop, not giving an inch and delivering punch for punch, is that something that Rossi could do? after this years PO? insulting to Marchand. 

 

 

[FredJohnson]

Gr8 article Tony!

[SkolWild73]

1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

how do i get this across to you.....we are not a day care business, we try to WIN a cup. we have the best player in the world and our window is now. we do not have time to wait and see on Rossi.

I can't say it any other way.  I think he performed at a 2C level this year.  You do not.  You say I can't use the time he was with Kap? fine.  January, February and April, taking out the games Kap did play, 22 points in 28 games which is a 64 points pace.  You don't like how I evaluated him?  Fine.  You can believe he isn't, and I can believe he is. 

If Kap signs, our window is now through at least 5 years from now.  To me, and many others, Rossi is at worst a 2C.  He is young, and the majority of players his age who score 60 points in a year improve year over year, with many becoming pgp players by year 25 or 26.  If he has the same output or better for the next 5 years, I think that first Kap's timeline perfectly.

You want to keep arguing even though in my last response and others I have said I am fine trading him if it is for a definitive upgrade.  If it isn't I would rather have him on the team.  Really is that simple

[FredJohnson]

Either Rossi was hurt or Hynes/GMBG just wanted to drive his value into the dirt. I'm really starting to sour on GMBG. For all the rhetoric and messaging about creating a culture that's conducive to winning, GMBG sure is $hitting on a kid that he drafted and that has done everything GMBG asked of him.

[OldDutchChip]

1 minute ago, SkolWild73 said:

I can't say it any other way.  I think he performed at a 2C level this year.  You do not.  You say I can't use the time he was with Kap? fine.  January, February and April, taking out the games Kap did play, 22 points in 28 games which is a 64 points pace.  You don't like how I evaluated him?  Fine.  You can believe he isn't, and I can believe he is. 

If Kap signs, our window is now through at least 5 years from now.  To me, and many others, Rossi is at worst a 2C.  He is young, and the majority of players his age who score 60 points in a year improve year over year, with many becoming pgp players by year 25 or 26.  If he has the same output or better for the next 5 years, I think that first Kap's timeline perfectly.

You want to keep arguing even though in my last response and others I have said I am fine trading him if it is for a definitive upgrade.  If it isn't I would rather have him on the team.  Really is that simple

If Kap signs, our window is now through at least 5 years from now. don't you want to protect Kap from physicality and take it to Vegas and Central Teams and not just be a one-and-done? 

To me, and many others, Rossi is at worst a 2C.  not sure who these "many others" are but i am fairly certain the ones that matter are looking to trade him

You want to keep arguing even though in my last response and others I have said I am fine trading him if it is for a definitive upgrade. you and the "others" again - one way or the high-way views? that pro-rossi crowd, who sees red as soon as some negative feedback is given to their precious little austrian...but life is unfair and others have opinions and can share them

[OldDutchChip]

13 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

Gr8 article Tony!

hi freddy

[FredJohnson]

Just now, OldDutchChip said:

hi freddy

Sup?

[OldDutchChip]

1 minute ago, FredJohnson said:

Sup?

not much my friend

[FredJohnson]

On 5/4/2025 at 9:16 AM, OldDutchChip said:

you comparing Rossi 60 minutes of output here.....?

you and Matteo are really trying to help Billy and i like that. freddy - make sure to heart it! Billy is going to love showing off these "useful" stats to all the suitors. OTT hear us - Rossi is available for Tkachuk!

but why stop there, we can also include Trenin (who i actually feel rocked this PO but for this purpose, let's do it) - as he has done better than Fiala and Boldy and Nino in that fancy stat model - giving him ~2.1 pts per hour in his time this PO! damn - not as good as wes walz - but not many people are....

and not a biggie - 4 minute penalty to start the game was just what was needed during the most important game of the season. way to go!

[OldDutchChip]

Just now, FredJohnson said:

you've been missed freddy

[FredJohnson]

On 5/4/2025 at 11:12 AM, Burnt Toast said:

Wouldn’t management have wanted to inflate his value if a trade is in the future? Very strange dynamic/vibe coming from the team on Rossi.

That's zactly what I can't figure out.

[SkolWild73]

1 minute ago, OldDutchChip said:

If Kap signs, our window is now through at least 5 years from now. don't you want to protect Kap from physicality and take it to Vegas and Central Teams and not just be a one-and-done? 

To me, and many others, Rossi is at worst a 2C.  not sure who these "many others" are but i am fairly certain the ones that matter are looking to trade him

You want to keep arguing even though in my last response and others I have said I am fine trading him if it is for a definitive upgrade. you and the "others" again - one way or the high-way views? that pro-rossi crowd, who sees red as soon as some negative feedback is given to their precious little austrian...but life is unfair and others have opinions and can share them

Jesus man. My statement "in my last response and others I have said". others meaning other responses, nothing to do with other people.

that pro-rossi crowd, who sees red as soon as some negative feedback is given to their precious little austrian...but life is unfair and others have opinions and can share them

I just said in my previous post you can believe what you want.  Where did I ever say it is unfair to criticize him?  I said I believe he is a 2C and you can believe he is not.  

To me, and many others, Rossi is at worst a 2C.  not sure who these "many others" are but i am fairly certain the ones that matter are looking to trade him.

Look at the posts on here for the many.  And I have said numerous times how I am fine trading him for an upgrade.

[Imyourhuckleberry]

17 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

then let's not bring Marchand into this unfair comparison. because that is doing him a great disservice. we might as well start comparing Rossi to MacKinnon too, why not if we do it solely on PPG

You're incredibly ridiculous sometimes.

If we compare Rossi's points scored through his age 23 season to someone who is relatively the same size, then we should compare him to someone who is larger and who scored at least 1.2 points per game since his age 22 season.

Per minute, Marchand was more effective, but his regular season scoring wasn't greatly different at a young age. I already said I think Briere is the better comparison, and he had 70 points per 82 game season from ages 24-34.

Granlund has been at 59 points per 82 game season from ages 24-current.

Marchand had 81 points per 82 game season from ages 24-34.

If we are just talking points, there are reasons to believe Rossi could be close to Marchand in points if given elite top line players to play with long-term. I don't know that he'll be given that situation, but I would put him more in the Briere's camp than Granlund to this point in his career.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Rossi being more like Kevin Fiala(between Briere and Marchand in points/game) than Granlund. He's not likely to turn into a major checking/physical threat, but he has legit offensive abilities.

 

[Scalptrash]

20 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

we might as well start comparing Rossi to MacKinnon too

First two years PPG avg.

MacKinnon .69

Rossi .61

How about compared to the 2020 #1 draft pick:

Lafreniere .39 (first 2 seasons) .51 (career)

Hate on him all you want, the kid produces on a team that is desperate for scoring. Billy WILL trade him and get fleeced, as usual. Rossi will have a stellar career wherever he ends up and it won't be on the 4th line.

I hope Kaprizov walks too so we can get rid of all of the current (mis)management. Although nothing will really ever change with Leipold owning the team. His track record for hiring is abysmal.

[OldDutchChip]

28 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

Jesus man. My statement "in my last response and others I have said". others meaning other responses, nothing to do with other people.

that pro-rossi crowd, who sees red as soon as some negative feedback is given to their precious little austrian...but life is unfair and others have opinions and can share them

I just said in my previous post you can believe what you want.  Where did I ever say it is unfair to criticize him?  I said I believe he is a 2C and you can believe he is not.  

To me, and many others, Rossi is at worst a 2C.  not sure who these "many others" are but i am fairly certain the ones that matter are looking to trade him.

Look at the posts on here for the many.  And I have said numerous times how I am fine trading him for an upgrade.

And I have said numerous times how I am fine trading him for an upgrade.

OK 🍻 

[OldDutchChip]

20 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

You're incredibly ridiculous sometimes.

If we compare Rossi's points scored through his age 23 season to someone who is relatively the same size, then we should compare him to someone who is larger and who scored at least 1.2 points per game since his age 22 season.

Per minute, Marchand was more effective, but his regular season scoring wasn't greatly different at a young age. I already said I think Briere is the better comparison, and he had 70 points per 82 game season from ages 24-34.

Granlund has been at 59 points per 82 game season from ages 24-current.

Marchand had 81 points per 82 game season from ages 24-34.

If we are just talking points, there are reasons to believe Rossi could be close to Marchand in points if given elite top line players to play with long-term. I don't know that he'll be given that situation, but I would put him more in the Briere's camp than Granlund to this point in his career.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Rossi being more like Kevin Fiala(between Briere and Marchand in points/game) than Granlund. He's not likely to turn into a major checking/physical threat, but he has legit offensive abilities.

 

You're incredibly ridiculous sometimes. Thank you

If we compare Rossi's points scored through his age 23 season to someone who is relatively the same size, then we should compare him to someone who is larger and who scored at least 1.2 points per game since his age 22 season. are you still on Marchand vs Rossi comparison train? because i have already stated that that comparison is out of whack, they were never the same type of players

Per minute, Marchand was more effective, but his regular season scoring wasn't greatly different at a young age. they are different type of players period. if you looked at my examples and saw the video evidence you wouldn't keep bringing these silly comparisons

I already said I think Briere is the better comparison, and he had 70 points per 82 game season from ages 24-34. ok fine, but briere was still a fiesty player, but i can live with this comp.

Granlund has been at 59 points per 82 game season from ages 24-current. ok and? what is the conclusion? do we want to wait it out on Rossi and waste Kap's prime? 

Marchand had 81 points per 82 game season from ages 24-34. different players - not applicable comp

If we are just talking points, there are reasons to believe Rossi could be close to Marchand in points if given elite top line players to play with long-term.  i think we can just leave harty with Kap and he can produce better results (and cheaper) than Rossi. also - there are just as many "reasons" to believe that Rossi's career will end up in the same region of the world as Galchenyuk. so in order to narrow the predictability, one has to consider more factors other than scoring 😉

I don't know that he'll be given that situation, but I would put him more in the Briere's camp than Granlund to this point in his career. sure

I wouldn't be surprised to see Rossi being more like Kevin Fiala(between Briere and Marchand in points/game) than Granlund. He's not likely to turn into a major checking/physical threat, but he has legit offensive abilities. he is not as skilled as Fiala nor does he have the same set of gorgeous hair

[OldDutchChip]

26 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

First two years PPG avg.

MacKinnon .69

Rossi .61

How about compared to the 2020 #1 draft pick:

Lafreniere .39 (first 2 seasons) .51 (career)

Hate on him all you want, the kid produces on a team that is desperate for scoring. Billy WILL trade him and get fleeced, as usual. Rossi will have a stellar career wherever he ends up and it won't be on the 4th line.

I hope Kaprizov walks too so we can get rid of all of the current (mis)management. Although nothing will really ever change with Leipold owning the team. His track record for hiring is abysmal.

so Rossi is almost like MacK? niiiice

Rossi will have a stellar career wherever he ends up and it won't be on the 4th line. i'm ok with that, good for him

I hope Kaprizov walks too so we can get rid of all of the current (mis)management. Rossi > Kap is the message, i get it, i truly do!

 

[OldDutchChip]

Tony - i am driving up traffic for your article, so i expect a heart reaction out of u 

[FredJohnson]

45 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

You're incredibly ridiculous 

Nuff said about ODD. Nuff said...

[Patrick]

What is particularly confusing is how Brazeau who is the opposite of Rossi in every way, he is big, slow, defensively terrible, offensively challenged and absolutely not deserving of a roster spot, was absolutely cemented in the lineup.  WTF.  Does Hynes set his own lineups? If so he needs to be fired.  If not BG needs to be fired or put in his place by ownership. 

[Tony Abbott]

On 5/4/2025 at 6:21 PM, OldDutchChip said:

Boldy stepped up so he is a keeper. 
Faber is fat and slow. 

 

Based on my expertise (being fat), the No. 1 thing to know about fat guys is how they all play 27 minutes a night in the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

[RedLake]

Rossi needs to get mean this summer. Roid him up.