Article: The Wild Created A Self-Fulfilling Prophecy With Marco Rossi

[Up North Guy]

1 minute ago, OldDutchChip said:

Ohgren Spurge and Rossi have been traded to OTT for Tkachuk and Alexey Yashin!

ODC you need to tone down your wet dreams just a bit.😎

[OldDutchChip]

everybody relax! i have been crunching some numbers and without any doubt Rossi's trajectory is akin to that of studs like Pierre Marc Bouchard and Alex Gachenyuk! One of us! Rejoice!

 

[OldDutchChip]

11 minutes ago, TCMooch said:

Honestly if I was Kap and I saw what BILLY GM was building I’d nope the fuck out so fast. With him as GM, this team is going nowhere. 
 

he drafted Rossi then expects him to grow 5 inches or something. Rossi didn’t so now Billy shits on him. Draft Lundell then you fucking idiot.

riiiight, i think Kap would demand to continue to play with midgets so that he can take the punishment by vegas, winnipeg, dallas, colorado, st. louis. he loves playing with Zuccy and Rossi. and probably laughed at his comrade - Dorofeev - when he told him he plays with grown man (Stone and Eichel). 

[SkolWild73]

For what’s it worth, there is a pretty good Kap exit interview on the Wilds site.

https://www.nhl.com/wild/video/24-25-exit-interview-kaprizov-6372341747112

[WildNotMild]

31 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

 The Wild have been starved for centers and scoring forever, so of course, management wants to get rid of an actual homegrown center with tremendous offseason work ethic who plays two way hockey and scored 60 points in his second season. Wild have  been starved for L1/L2 centers. Rossi ain't it. homegrown or not. tremendous work ethic is a given for most hockey players so why single out Rossi? is he something special? like does he train in the same conditions that Marat used to train (that didn't help Marat though) or does he hunt wild boars? what's so special about the training? As for more centers - Wild have Harty as good 3rd. If they sign the MN boy - Nelson - then i guess you have Ek - Nelson - Harty. So Rossi could be used to flip for a wing. 

As usual, you misread other’s posts … the best teams have more than one center on their top 2-3 lines.  If Rossi is flipped for a wing, the center depth is no better.  
 

Again, I think ODC gets his wish and Rossi is traded.  I would rather pay a player LIKE Rossi 7M+ for 8 years instead of a player LIKE NELSON.  One will be 32 at the end of the contract.  The other will be 41.  Even if the latter is signed for only 5 years, he would still be 6 years older when both contracts end.

A smart GM will build a team with solid young players and 1-2 core foundational players (like Kaprizov) and then get any needed rentals at the TDL.  Chasing older players like Nelson is a fool’s errand in that the term and NTC/NMC that these types of players demand doesn’t age well.  Another key to the best teams is that they are always sprinkling in 1-2 rookies for low cost contracts to replace older more expensive players.  GMBG and the Wild coaching staff doesn’t seem comfortable doesn’t seem comfortable doing that.

 

[WildNotMild]

34 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

i think he may have had a paper cut on his pinky. explains a lot.

This quote perfectly exemplifies your bias.  According to his exit interview, Rossi doesn’t need any offseason surgery for anything.

[Citizen Strife]

It wouldn't be a fiery topic if ODC wasn't replying to everyone twice as much as necessary.

[OldDutchChip]

Just now, WildNotMild said:

As usual, you misread other’s posts … the best teams have more than one center on their top 2-3 lines.  If Rossi is flipped for a wing, the center depth is no better.  
 

Again, I think ODC gets his wish and Rossi is traded.  I would rather pay a player LIKE Rossi 7M+ for 8 years instead of a player LIKE NELSON.  One will be 32 at the end of the contract.  The other will be 41.  Even if the latter is signed for only 5 years, he would still be 6 years older when both contracts end.

A smart GM will build a team with solid young players and 1-2 core foundational players (like Kaprizov) and then get any needed rentals at the TDL.  Chasing older players like Nelson is a fool’s errand in that the term and NTC/NMC that these types of players demand doesn’t age well.  Another key to the best teams is that they are always sprinkling in 1-2 rookies for low cost contracts to replace older more expensive players.  GMBG and the Wild coaching staff doesn’t seem comfortable doesn’t seem comfortable doing that.

 

As usual, you misread other’s posts i do try to make sense of other posts, but sometimes they are a bit odd, so it may not be me - and maybe it's you 

I would rather pay a player LIKE Rossi 7M+ for 8 years instead of a player LIKE NELSON.  One will be 32 at the end of the contract.  The other will be 41. i suppose i agree, but are you suggesting that Nelson comes here for 8 years? yikes! but i'd take Ryan Suter for another 8 years at 1M per, than these two, if we go the 8 year route.

A smart GM will build a team with solid young players and 1-2 core foundational players (like Kaprizov) and then get any needed rentals at the TDL. well we have Kap, Boldy, zeev, faber, gus, jiricek, johansson - there is your core

[OldDutchChip]

Just now, Citizen Strife said:

It wouldn't be a fiery topic if ODC wasn't replying to everyone twice as much as necessary.

i do what i can to calm the waters

[OldDutchChip]

3 minutes ago, WildNotMild said:

This quote perfectly exemplifies your bias.  According to his exit interview, Rossi doesn’t need any offseason surgery for anything.

are you so sure his pinky was not wounded? i am pretty sure it's very common.

[WildNotMild]

Just now, OldDutchChip said:

As usual, you misread other’s posts i do try to make sense of other posts, but sometimes they are a bit odd, so it may not be me - and maybe it's you 

I would rather pay a player LIKE Rossi 7M+ for 8 years instead of a player LIKE NELSON.  One will be 32 at the end of the contract.  The other will be 41. i suppose i agree, but are you suggesting that Nelson comes here for 8 years? yikes! but i'd take Ryan Suter for another 8 years at 1M per, than these two, if we go the 8 year route.

A smart GM will build a team with solid young players and 1-2 core foundational players (like Kaprizov) and then get any needed rentals at the TDL. well we have Kap, Boldy, zeev, faber, gus, jiricek, johansson - there is your core

Within the last couple of weeks, you have ripped on Faber for being fat and slow.  You also have wanted to trade Boldy in most of your trade proposals.  

[WildNotMild]

ODC, you might think you are smarter than everyone else on this forum and/or funnier (I disagree with both)… BUT, you are the one flip-flopping more than a freshly caught fish on land, mis-reading almost everyone else’s posts and insisting on arguing with everyone.

You don’t have to respond to every post from everyone else.

[OldDutchChip]

4 minutes ago, WildNotMild said:

Within the last couple of weeks, you have ripped on Faber for being fat and slow.  You also have wanted to trade Boldy in most of your trade proposals.  

Boldy stepped up so he is a keeper. 
Faber is fat and slow. 

 

[OldDutchChip]

1 minute ago, WildNotMild said:

ODC, you might think you are smarter than everyone else on this forum and/or funnier (I disagree with both)… BUT, you are the one flip-flopping more than a freshly caught fish on land, mis-reading almost everyone else’s posts and insisting on arguing with everyone.

You don’t have to respond to every post from everyone else.

why do you respond to me then? 

as for flip flopping - not sure what do you mean....i give players their chances, should they change my mind - so be it. Rossi did that up to Jan and then he stunk. i just give it like it is. if you prefer sugar coating - then i am sorry - that is not me. 🍻

[WildNotMild]

1 minute ago, OldDutchChip said:

why do you respond to me then? 

as for flip flopping - not sure what do you mean....i give players their chances, should they change my mind - so be it. Rossi did that up to Jan and then he stunk. i just give it like it is. if you prefer sugar coating - then i am sorry - that is not me. 🍻

Because although I have been a long time reader of this forum, I am a newer poster.  I was hoping that by being yet another poster that you can’t get along with, that MAYBE you could recognize a reoccurring trend and would reconsider your tactics.  If you prefer that I ignore you like others, I can, but can you return the same courtesy in kind … or will you be compelled to mis-read and argue?

Your move ODC.  Please choose a fresh tactic and not be stale (nobody likes stale chips, pun intended).

 

[OldDutchChip]

29 minutes ago, WildNotMild said:

Because although I have been a long time reader of this forum, I am a newer poster.  I was hoping that by being yet another poster that you can’t get along with, that MAYBE you could recognize a reoccurring trend and would reconsider your tactics.  If you prefer that I ignore you like others, I can, but can you return the same courtesy in kind … or will you be compelled to mis-read and argue?

Your move ODC.  Please choose a fresh tactic and not be stale (nobody likes stale chips, pun intended).

 

 I was hoping that by being yet another poster that you can’t get along with, that MAYBE you could recognize a reoccurring trend and would reconsider your tactics. are you serious? this is a forum where people opinion on sports. if you think you are mother teresa and i'm this oppressing tyrant, then grow up - the oppressing label is just as easily can be placed upon the mob who yells insults at any unpopular opinion and ridicule it, but when it flips - now the tears come - crocodile tears they are. you afraid to hear opposing view points and just want to consume same old? well then go ahead and skip my points but please - cut the bs. none of us are forum "saints".

[SkolWild73]

For those that say Rossi only was good half the year, here are his breakdowns by month.

October, 8 points in 9 games

November, 11 points in 15 games

December, 13 points in 14 games

January, 14 points in 14 games

February, 5 points in 8 games

March, 4 points in 15 games

April, 5 points in 7 games

Playoffs, 3 points in 6 games in limited minutes.

I see one bad month.  That is enough to say he can’t be a 1 or 2C?  In only his second year?  

 

[OldDutchChip]

12 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

For those that say Rossi only was good half the year, here are his breakdowns by month.

October, 8 points in 9 games

November, 11 points in 15 games

December, 13 points in 14 games

January, 14 points in 14 games

February, 5 points in 8 games

March, 4 points in 15 games

April, 5 points in 7 games

Playoffs, 3 points in 6 games in limited minutes.

I see one bad month.  That is enough to say he can’t be a 1 or 2C?  In only his second year?  

 

you have to build a successful team, not just assemble a collection of players. we have the following players in our top 6 right now (at the start of upcoming year) -

Boldy, Ek, Zuccy, Rossi, Yurov (assumption)

you seriously think that this tiny group will succeed? in that stat dump of yours - did you weigh the games that Rossi played with top 6 players like boldy and kap? and what happened when he was given a more independent role to drive/lead his line? do i need to say that or do you know the answer?

i think the reality is that we have to bring in a player into our top 6 that plays bigger. that is going to cost us. but it's necessary to join the big boys and have a chance to compete!

no one will want foligno nor freddy nor hartman and just gift us what we need. we won't be saved by old man Nelson. we need to go big name hunting. and what will it cost?  it will cost Rossi and/or Faber. that's the reality. you can get upset about it but dallas ain't complaining - Ranty did alright for them huh? i hope billy has the balls and smarts to deal this summer. One of Rossi or Faber needs to be smartly packaged for some disgruntled top end player.  

 

[SkolWild73]

1 minute ago, OldDutchChip said:

you have to build a successful team, not just assemble a collection of players. we have the following players in our top 6 right now (at the start of upcoming year) -

Boldy, Ek, Zuccy, Rossi, Yurov (assumption)

you seriously think that this tiny group will succeed? in that stat dump of yours - did you weigh the games that Rossi played with top 6 players like boldy and kap? and what happened when he was given a more independent role to drive/lead his line? do i need to say that or do you know the answer?

i think the reality is that we have to bring in a player into our top 6 that plays bigger. that is going to cost us. but it's necessary to join the big boys and have a chance to compete!

no one will want foligno nor freddy nor hartman and just gift us what we need. we won't be saved by old man Nelson. we need to go big name hunting. and what will it cost?  it will cost Rossi and/or Faber. that's the reality. you can get upset about it but dallas ain't complaining - Ranty did alright for them huh? i hope billy has the balls and smarts to deal this summer. One of Rossi or Faber needs to be smartly packaged for some disgruntled top end player.  

 

Of course he played with Boldy or Kap, he played on the top 2 lines.  But his best month with 14 points in 14 games was in January without Kap.  Zuccy is here one more year, presumably.  Ek is tiny?  Boldy is tiny? Kap is tiny?

When does any top line center play without top players?  
 

[ArizonaWildFan]

Tony, you nailed it. Guerin and Hynes will be gone within a year from now and Billy G. will have emptied the cupboards of anything valuable (Kaprizov and Rossi) and replaced them with aging has-beens with term and no or limited movement. But they'll have size and be gritty.

[OldDutchChip]

8 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

Of course he played with Boldy or Kap, he played on the top 2 lines.  But his best month with 14 points in 14 games was in January without Kap.  Zuccy is here one more year, presumably.  Ek is tiny?  Boldy is tiny? Kap is tiny?

When does any top line center play without top players?  
 

Ek and Boldy are not physical and nasty players. Think Stone, Tkachuk, Benn. And Kap is not that either and shouldn't be. 

Rossi is not top line center, but yes he played with top players and padded his stats. That was true for Harty too - no shame in that. Yes, Rossi played well into January but then, when given more leadership opportunities, he failed. So yes, he needs to be used in a trade to beef up the top 6. 

[SkolWild73]

4 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

Ek and Boldy are not physical and nasty players. Think Stone, Tkachuk, Benn. And Kap is not that either and shouldn't be. 

Rossi is not top line center, but yes he played with top players and padded his stats. That was true for Harty too - no shame in that. Yes, Rossi played well into January but then, when given more leadership opportunities, he failed. So yes, he needs to be used in a trade to beef up the top 6. 

Funny.  Rossi padded his stats playing with Boldy who earlier this year you wanted to trade because he wasn’t a playoff player and wouldnt be good enough.  Now he is the only reason Rossi got any points.  Classic

[OldDutchChip]

36 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

Funny.  Rossi padded his stats playing with Boldy who earlier this year you wanted to trade because he wasn’t a playoff player and wouldnt be good enough.  Now he is the only reason Rossi got any points.  Classic

the point is that Rossi played with Top players and played well, but we needed more from him and when he was given more leadership opportunities at the top - he failed. do you understand that? or you still going to twist my words around to fit your delusionary thinking?

[SkolWild73]

5 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

the point is that Rossi played with Top players and played well, but we needed more from him and when he was given more leadership opportunities at the top - he failed. do you understand that? or you still going to twist my words around to fit your delusionary thinking?

Lol.  My point is pretty clear.  You said the same thing about Boldy a few months ago.  Boldy had a rough December and you wanted to trade him.  He was never going to be anything and would fail in the playoffs.  Rossi “failed” in one month, March and now he sucks and will never be anything.  He played with the same players in January and February and did fine.

 

 

[SkolWild73]

14 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

the point is that Rossi played with Top players and played well, but we needed more from him and when he was given more leadership opportunities at the top - he failed. do you understand that? or you still going to twist my words around to fit your delusionary thinking?

Also, please elaborate on my “delusionary thinking”, the definition of it is a “belief that is firmly held despite a lack of evidence or proof”.

Edited 7 hours ago by SkolWild73