Article: The Wild Created A Self-Fulfilling Prophecy With Marco Rossi

[Tony Abbott]

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[OldDutchChip]

you comparing Rossi 60 minutes of output here.....?

you and Matteo are really trying to help Billy and i like that. freddy - make sure to heart it! Billy is going to love showing off these "useful" stats to all the suitors. OTT hear us - Rossi is available for Tkachuk!

but why stop there, we can also include Trenin (who i actually feel rocked this PO but for this purpose, let's do it) - as he has done better than Fiala and Boldy and Nino in that fancy stat model - giving him ~2.1 pts per hour in his time this PO! damn - not as good as wes walz - but not many people are....

and not a biggie - 4 minute penalty to start the game was just what was needed during the most important game of the season. way to go!

[TCMooch]

Second leading scorer on the team this season. 4th line minutes. And we wonder why we can’t get out of the first round of playoffs. This whole management group has to go.

i honestly can’t wait until next year for GM Billy to finally be rid of his excuse he created with the cap hit so people finally realize how terrible he is as a GM

Edited 8 hours ago by TCMooch

[greg]

Great article.  Well said.. not sure why Rossi has been in the doghouse basically since he started with the Wild.  It's obvious they plain just don't like him.  Such a double standard with the Wild.  If a veteran continues making mistakes or playing like crap he gets promoted and patted on the back.  If a young player does something wrong he gets benched or demoted.  How can you develop young players if you can't help them develop?  I'm really getting tired of Guerin.  With the cap hits coming off he better produce some great results and quit making excuses.  Hynes has proven he can't coach.  Especially in thr playoffs.

[Dean]

I cant wait till clean out day to hear the new excuses Billy and John have. Regular season this and that. Moral victories.future is bright. Felt different this year . Blah blah blah . Just ridiculous. . The future was on 4 th line or in press box so Billy can keep pounding that square peg in a round hole. To prove hes right about Fred. Fred is not a 1-2-3or a 4 th line center for a playoff team . He takes opportunities from others. He a waste of a roster spot . They don’t have a d with a shot from point. So they play 5 forwards and get exposed. They don’t have d men that can lean on you and gas you like Vegas did to kappy and Boldy..  they don’t have a coach smart enough to get his best player away from matchup the other team wants.  However they’ll come up with some feel good excuses of moral victories . Dallas is without there two best players . Over 14 mil on IR , youth leading the way and they get past Col . 0-8 1st round wins.for the wild Nothing to be proud of. 
    I’m done with the moral victories. I really hope kappy leaves. He’s the only reason to tune into wild. I like ek , bolds , Brodin and Faber but that’s about it. They aren’t worth watching or will they do anything with no kappy . Moose and harts had good series. Good role guys I guess but not worth the price of admission. I don’t want to see kappy waste his career here anymore  with this ridiculous management  team and a draft guy that can’t get anyone to the nhl that produces in playoffs. 
kappy watch is on. Please go kappy ! 

[WildNotMild]

Good playoff teams have an abundance of center depth.  The Wild don’t even with Rossi.  With trade proposals of sending Rossi plus other prospects to land a better, older and more expensive center, we don’t end up with more centers.  Yurov might be another center, but who knows if and when that might happen.  Plus, we are counting on the other top prospects (Yurov, Wally, Ohgren, Buium) to make the team next year.  Trading any of them out with Rossi just creates another lineup hole or holes to fill.  And we are already down some picks from GMBG’s moves this year.

I think Hartman played very well in the playoffs, but Rossi should’ve been switched with Gaudreau.  Freddy is a great teammate, but he shouldn’t be playing above 4th minutes and maybe not at all on a contender.  Getting rid of Rossi all but guarantees that Gaudreau will be one of the main centers.  I think Hartman is better suited to be a backup/depth center on his line, but again with the Wild’s lack of centers, he has to be one of the main guys.

The Wild have been starved for centers and scoring forever, so of course, management wants to get rid of an actual homegrown center with tremendous offseason work ethic who plays two way hockey and scored 60 points in his second season.

No where did I say Rossi is more important than Kaprizov, that Rossi is the best ever or that he deserves 8.5M or more per year.  The Wild need MORE centers and more offense.  Rossi checks both boxes BEFORE playing his third season.

[Burnt Toast]

Unless it turns out Rossi was injured pretty bad he’s going to be traded. I’m concerned about getting equal value back. Wouldn’t management have wanted to inflate his value if a trade is in the future? Very strange dynamic/vibe coming from the team on Rossi. If it’s just a money thing then we’re going to find out when his agent inks his next contract. Rossi exceeded my expectations for both the regular season and the playoffs. Get him on a decent power play and he is going to be a point per game guy. 

[SkolWild73]

46 minutes ago, WildNotMild said:

Good playoff teams have an abundance of center depth.  The Wild don’t even with Rossi.  With trade proposals of sending Rossi plus other prospects to land a better, older and more expensive center, we don’t end up with more centers.  Yurov might be another center, but who knows if and when that might happen.  Plus, we are counting on the other top prospects (Yurov, Wally, Ohgren, Buium) to make the team next year.  Trading any of them out with Rossi just creates another lineup hole or holes to fill.  And we are already down some picks from GMBG’s moves this year.

I think Hartman played very well in the playoffs, but Rossi should’ve been switched with Gaudreau.  Freddy is a great teammate, but he shouldn’t be playing above 4th minutes and maybe not at all on a contender.  Getting rid of Rossi all but guarantees that Gaudreau will be one of the main centers.  I think Hartman is better suited to be a backup/depth center on his line, but again with the Wild’s lack of centers, he has to be one of the main guys.

The Wild have been starved for centers and scoring forever, so of course, management wants to get rid of an actual homegrown center with tremendous offseason work ethic who plays two way hockey and scored 60 points in his second season.

No where did I say Rossi is more important than Kaprizov, that Rossi is the best ever or that he deserves 8.5M or more per year.  The Wild need MORE centers and more offense.  Rossi checks both boxes BEFORE playing his third season.

I agree with you bud.  It amazes me how a portion of our fanbase has been complaining about needing centers.  Then we get one and they want him gone after two years.  Rossi is 23 and improved year over year.  The lack of patience that some have with our young prospects is crazy.  Heck, earlier this year there were a few that wanted Boldy gone.  

No idea what will happen with Rossi.  As long as the contract is good, I hope he is here.  I guess we will get our answer in a couple of months.

 

[WildNotMild]

4 minutes ago, Burnt Toast said:

Unless it turns out Rossi was injured pretty bad he’s going to be traded. I’m concerned about getting equal value back. Wouldn’t management have wanted to inflate his value if a trade is in the future? Very strange dynamic/vibe coming from the team on Rossi. If it’s just a money thing then we’re going to find out when his agent inks his next contract. Rossi exceeded my expectations for both the regular season and the playoffs. Get him on a decent power play and he is going to be a point per game guy. 

I posted my thoughts that I think Rossi was injured in a previous thread.  If he was, then maybe that lets management off the hook for the playoffs, but not for everything else.

I think GMBG will trade him, but I don’t think it will make the team better overall.  The main player coming back might be better, but the sum of the pieces the Wild will have to give up will weaken the team overall for playoff depth and TDL acquisitions.  Plus, the new center will inevitably be more expensive and older.

My hope is that GMBG is waiting to sign Kaprizov before tying up any dollars with Rossi.  Unfortunately, I don’t that Billy is that savvy.

 

[Dis-allowed display name]

I  thought part of their rationale was that he is kinda small, so he can't produce come playoff time.  Well then, why did you just draft him a couple years ago if your master plan was bigger players.

Either there is no master plan, or the master plan is dumb.

"There is a difference between winging it, and seeing what happens.  Now let's see what happens."  - MacGruber

[Citizen Strife]

I really wish I knew what they see in Yurov that says, "He's going to be better than Rossi is now," to just cut bait.  3-4 inches?  A couple injury plagued seasons?  Maybe you save the money for Gus or Buium?  That'd make a little bit more sense.  Hedge bets on the backend.  The issue is it doesn't solve is drafting two centers just to look at them and go, "Yeah, nah."  Don't draft Rossi or Khusnutdinov then if their size or skill isn't your thing?  That'd solve everything before this becomes an issue.  Don't want to get in a situation where a Dylan Cozens drop is likely after a big contract...well again, get some other guy you absolutely believe in.  Not that hard.  It seems like Guerin and Brackett are reading two different books.

I have heard NOTHING about getting trade offers for Tkachuk, Thompson, or any other pie in the sky fantasy GM scenario.  Russo floated the name Peterka, but I'm wondering if that's only his hope.  I don't know if he has concrete thoughts to that.  Winger depth is about as weak as center depth.  I wouldn't totally be against it.  Just seems like breaking one position to try and help another.

Edited 6 hours ago by Citizen Strife

[Burnt Toast]

21 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

Just seems like breaking one position to try and help another

We are finally out of the Cap Buyout Penalties and the UFA market looks down this year. That leaves trading where the incoming/outgoing assets are usually pretty close. Don’t look now but Brodin is losing all trade protection beginning this summer. Would the Wild give up a piece on defense to go after a top six offensive C or right wing? If the Wild trade Rossi, lose MJ Ny Braz that’s 4 forward positions that need an upgrade if they want to be in the conversation next year. 

[fikifuka]

33 minutes ago, WildNotMild said:

I posted my thoughts that I think Rossi was injured in a previous thread.  If he was, then maybe that lets management off the hook for the playoffs, but not for everything else.

I think GMBG will trade him, but I don’t think it will make the team better overall.  The main player coming back might be better, but the sum of the pieces the Wild will have to give up will weaken the team overall for playoff depth and TDL acquisitions.  Plus, the new center will inevitably be more expensive and older.

My hope is that GMBG is waiting to sign Kaprizov before tying up any dollars with Rossi.  Unfortunately, I don’t that Billy is that savvy.

 

BG made his joke-offer just before the play-off, then they dropped him to 4th with 10 minutes TOI, after a sophomore season with 60 p in 82 g, +/- 0 and 18'+ TOI and after he gave absolutely everything since entering a rink a decade ago. So the only logical explanation is: They want to get rid of him. They know his true market value as a young, pretty mature 2-way C with upside (something btw 7 and 8 M) but they just want another  big, better C and want to use Rossi (or the according picks or/ and money) as trade chip. Good luck MIN! For Rossi no problem. There is a huge, growing market for guys like him. He'll get a fair contract somewhere else on a team that appreciates his value. 

Btw: BGs & some of the posters "grit first" philosophy is outgrown, doesn't reflect the development of the game which is about skill and speed plus depth. EVERY TEAM IS GRITTY IN CRUNCHTIME, PLAY-OFFS. Grit isn't a philosophy but just basic attitude. 

[Citizen Strife]

Losing Brodin is a lot different than losing Johansson, Nyquist, and Brazeau...

[Burnt Toast]

21 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

Losing Brodin

A trade where we lose one of our best defenders would need to return a forward that is one of our best. 

[Will D. Ness]

2 hours ago, Burnt Toast said:

Unless it turns out Rossi was injured pretty bad he’s going to be traded. I’m concerned about getting equal value back. Wouldn’t management have wanted to inflate his value if a trade is in the future? Very strange dynamic/vibe coming from the team on Rossi. If it’s just a money thing then we’re going to find out when his agent inks his next contract. Rossi exceeded my expectations for both the regular season and the playoffs. Get him on a decent power play and he is going to be a point per game guy. 

I think we forum dudes worry more about the inflating value scenario than a GM would, especially for a team that isn't tanking and trying to compete and win.  We also create these elaborate and detailed perceptions of what lies in the heads of GM's and players like a bunch of fanboys (is that the current term?)  at a Star Trek convention.  

Rossi had a pretty good season up to around the end of Feb.  I don't really have a clue what happened but my little fantasy is that he checked out for whatever reason.  I would like to be dead wrong here and have it be some unreported injury or something.

I think he is going to be a pretty good player in this league as long as he continues to fight.  If he doesn't have the fight in him, then we probably should trade him.   

[Lovehockey]

The reason I can see is. Team can have smaller skilled players but only few. Kaprisov is one of them so he needs bigger line mates to be elite. Boldy Ek can provided this. And now we have Rossi. If he cornerstone for the second line we need bigger guys around him as well. And this getting too many of extra restrictions. There is no questions about Kaprisov he is a star , Rossi is not.

still hope Guerin will be fired. And all of this relevant if Kaprisov signed 

[SkolWild73]

1 hour ago, fikifuka said:

BG made his joke-offer just before the play-off, then they dropped him to 4th with 10 minutes TOI, after a sophomore season with 60 p in 82 g, +/- 0 and 18'+ TOI and after he gave absolutely everything since entering a rink a decade ago. So the only logical explanation is: They want to get rid of him. They know his true market value as a young, pretty mature 2-way C with upside (something btw 7 and 8 M) but they just want another  big, better C and want to use Rossi (or the according picks or/ and money) as trade chip. Good luck MIN! For Rossi no problem. There is a huge, growing market for guys like him. He'll get a fair contract somewhere else on a team that appreciates his value. 

Btw: BGs & some of the posters "grit first" philosophy is outgrown, doesn't reflect the development of the game which is about skill and speed plus depth. EVERY TEAM IS GRITTY IN CRUNCHTIME, PLAY-OFFS. Grit isn't a philosophy but just basic attitude. 

I read that the contract offer was back at the beginning of winter, was just reported before the playoffs. 

[Protec]

Trade him for Matt Petgrave. 

[MacGyver]

There are two types of players on the Wild. Billy's boys and those who are not Billy's boys. Rossi is not one of the Billy's boys.  

[OldDutchChip]

7 hours ago, WildNotMild said:

Good playoff teams have an abundance of center depth.  The Wild don’t even with Rossi.  With trade proposals of sending Rossi plus other prospects to land a better, older and more expensive center, we don’t end up with more centers.  Yurov might be another center, but who knows if and when that might happen.  Plus, we are counting on the other top prospects (Yurov, Wally, Ohgren, Buium) to make the team next year.  Trading any of them out with Rossi just creates another lineup hole or holes to fill.  And we are already down some picks from GMBG’s moves this year.

I think Hartman played very well in the playoffs, but Rossi should’ve been switched with Gaudreau.  Freddy is a great teammate, but he shouldn’t be playing above 4th minutes and maybe not at all on a contender.  Getting rid of Rossi all but guarantees that Gaudreau will be one of the main centers.  I think Hartman is better suited to be a backup/depth center on his line, but again with the Wild’s lack of centers, he has to be one of the main guys.

The Wild have been starved for centers and scoring forever, so of course, management wants to get rid of an actual homegrown center with tremendous offseason work ethic who plays two way hockey and scored 60 points in his second season.

No where did I say Rossi is more important than Kaprizov, that Rossi is the best ever or that he deserves 8.5M or more per year.  The Wild need MORE centers and more offense.  Rossi checks both boxes BEFORE playing his third season.

 The Wild have been starved for centers and scoring forever, so of course, management wants to get rid of an actual homegrown center with tremendous offseason work ethic who plays two way hockey and scored 60 points in his second season. Wild have  been starved for L1/L2 centers. Rossi ain't it. homegrown or not. tremendous work ethic is a given for most hockey players so why single out Rossi? is he something special? like does he train in the same conditions that Marat used to train (that didn't help Marat though) or does he hunt wild boars? what's so special about the training? As for more centers - Wild have Harty as good 3rd. If they sign the MN boy - Nelson - then i guess you have Ek - Nelson - Harty. So Rossi could be used to flip for a wing. 

[OldDutchChip]

6 hours ago, Burnt Toast said:

Unless it turns out Rossi was injured pretty bad he’s going to be traded. I’m concerned about getting equal value back. Wouldn’t management have wanted to inflate his value if a trade is in the future? Very strange dynamic/vibe coming from the team on Rossi. If it’s just a money thing then we’re going to find out when his agent inks his next contract. Rossi exceeded my expectations for both the regular season and the playoffs. Get him on a decent power play and he is going to be a point per game guy. 

we are inflating his value by sharing out these stats 🙂

 

[OldDutchChip]

6 hours ago, WildNotMild said:

I posted my thoughts that I think Rossi was injured in a previous thread.  If he was, then maybe that lets management off the hook for the playoffs, but not for everything else.

I think GMBG will trade him, but I don’t think it will make the team better overall.  The main player coming back might be better, but the sum of the pieces the Wild will have to give up will weaken the team overall for playoff depth and TDL acquisitions.  Plus, the new center will inevitably be more expensive and older.

My hope is that GMBG is waiting to sign Kaprizov before tying up any dollars with Rossi.  Unfortunately, I don’t that Billy is that savvy.

 

i think he may have had a paper cut on his pinky. explains a lot.

[TCMooch]

Honestly if I was Kap and I saw what BILLY GM was building I’d nope the fuck out so fast. With him as GM, this team is going nowhere. 
 

he drafted Rossi then expects him to grow 5 inches or something. Rossi didn’t so now Billy shits on him. Draft Lundell then you fucking idiot.

[OldDutchChip]

5 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

I really wish I knew what they see in Yurov that says, "He's going to be better than Rossi is now," to just cut bait.  3-4 inches?  A couple injury plagued seasons?  Maybe you save the money for Gus or Buium?  That'd make a little bit more sense.  Hedge bets on the backend.  The issue is it doesn't solve is drafting two centers just to look at them and go, "Yeah, nah."  Don't draft Rossi or Khusnutdinov then if their size or skill isn't your thing?  That'd solve everything before this becomes an issue.  Don't want to get in a situation where a Dylan Cozens drop is likely after a big contract...well again, get some other guy you absolutely believe in.  Not that hard.  It seems like Guerin and Brackett are reading two different books.

I have heard NOTHING about getting trade offers for Tkachuk, Thompson, or any other pie in the sky fantasy GM scenario.  Russo floated the name Peterka, but I'm wondering if that's only his hope.  I don't know if he has concrete thoughts to that.  Winger depth is about as weak as center depth.  I wouldn't totally be against it.  Just seems like breaking one position to try and help another.

Ohgren Spurge and Rossi have been traded to OTT for Tkachuk and Alexey Yashin!