Article: The Marco Rossi Madness Has To End

[SkolWild73]

4 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

Just like we have Rossi fatigue on this board I think Rossi has Wild fatigue and probably wants out so it's a problem that will take care of itself. He turned down Billy's low ball offer so he's out. In Billy's mind he's already gone. Personally I think Billy meddles with the line up in the playoffs at least to some degree.  I think it was Billy's call to play Fluery against the Blues until it was too late. A guy like Billy doesn't have room for too many independent thinkers around him. 

What a lot people seem to forget about Rossi is unless someone makes him a ridiculous offer that we don’t match, he can’t just leave.  His options are to request a trade that we can decline if the offers aren’t good, sign the contract or sit out the season.  If his agents are playing hard ball on top money, his best option is a bridge deal and bet on himself to get a big money contract after that deal is up.

[WildNotMild]

2 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

lucky? right.....fiala gave us a legit two line scoring threat. he had 35 goals this season and has 5 pts in 4 games.  let's not dump on him and be fair. he was and would be great with the team. the fault is billy's for mishandling it. yes he got faber and his suteresque ability to play a lot - for better of worth - but is that better than another threat from L2? would boldy and fiala be racking up 100 pts each? probably. so let's be a little more honest here. 

My point that you seemed to miss is that GMBG got lucky with Faber (who I like).  He is treating Rossi like he treated Fiala (very unfairly in my opinion) when the Wild have been starved for scoring forever.

Again, you liking Fiala and dumping on Rossi (although not the exact same type of player) highlights my point about you arguing both sides and not being consistent.

[MacGyver]

10 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

What a lot people seem to forget about Rossi is unless someone makes him a ridiculous offer that we don’t match, he can’t just leave.

He's gone believe me when I say this. Billy will take the first "fair" offer. You just have to figure what's fair to Billy is for a player he don't really want on the team. Billy's mind was made up on Fiala the year before Fiala posted 85.  Billy had all he could do to bring himself to say Fiala had a heck of a season. I think the quote was "So he had a couple of good months" I see a lot of similarities. Billy doing Billy things. 

Edited 6 hours ago by MacGyver

[OldDutchChip]

45 minutes ago, WildNotMild said:

And at 5 vs. 5, what has the line of Nyquist, Gaudreau and Zuccy provided with MORE minutes.  Gaudreau isn’t faster or meaner than Rossi and Rossi plays more at the net than Gaudreau.

so you want to put nyquil with zuccy and rossi then? that be world tiniest line? and then gaudreau to center trenin and braz? basically nullifying any momentum that L4 has? you are killing both lines with this switch. 

[OldDutchChip]

45 minutes ago, WildNotMild said:

Again, this isn’t fantasy hockey.  If you trade some combination of Ohgren, Yurov, Rossi, Height, etc., then what players are replacing Braz, Nojo, etc.?  Plus, using your same “logic”, why would Ottawa want unproven or not good players for its best player.  
 

This is what is so frustrating about you ODC … you argue both sides of everything to try to prove your points.

did i say Yurov Rossi and Ohgren in my post? 

i think one of the prospects could replace MJ and Braz. low bar to clear!

don't be frustrated! i am here to spread wisdom all around.....be patient - it'll come to you!

[OldDutchChip]

45 minutes ago, WildNotMild said:

My point that you seemed to miss is that GMBG got lucky with Faber (who I like).  He is treating Rossi like he treated Fiala (very unfairly in my opinion) when the Wild have been starved for scoring forever.

Again, you liking Fiala and dumping on Rossi (although not the exact same type of player) highlights my point about you arguing both sides and not being consistent.

i can see that you like Faber and do not like Fiala for some reason. that's bias but no prob. 

Rossi has a long way to go until he gets to Fiala level. not saying Fiala was fierce physical brute - but his offense was and still is on a level above Rossi

Again, you liking Fiala and dumping on Rossi are we now comparing Rossi to Fiala? Why? that's a loosing battle for you.

what am i arguing that is both sides? you know that there are TWO sides (at least) with every deal. maybe there's a sucker in OTT that is willing to sell a up-and-coming stud like Rossi (more polished version of Bedard and a pick and height - Wild were fleeced!!) to a fanbase AFTER BT tells them he had enough of maple syrup and wants out. maybe GM does it to save his skin and prolong his job a bit longer? 

[SkolWild73]

43 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

He's gone believe me when I say this. Billy will take the first "fair" offer. You just have to figure what's fair to Billy is for a player he don't really want on the team. Billy's mind was made up on Fiala the year before Fiala posted 85.  Billy had all he could do to bring himself to say Fiala had a heck of a season. I think the quote was "So he had a couple of good months" I see a lot of similarities. Billy doing Billy things. 

We will see.  My hope is that isn’t the case and we figure out a deal.  To me you only trade Rossi for an upgrade.

[OldDutchChip]

1 minute ago, SkolWild73 said:

We will see.  My hope is that isn’t the case and we figure out a deal.  To me you only trade Rossi for an upgrade.

trade rossi and ohgren for svechnikov

sweeten the deal by including freddy

kap gets a friend and signs

[WildNotMild]

3 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

i can see that you like Faber and do not like Fiala for some reason. that's bias but no prob. 

Rossi has a long way to go until he gets to Fiala level. not saying Fiala was fierce physical brute - but his offense was and still is on a level above Rossi

Again, you liking Fiala and dumping on Rossi are we now comparing Rossi to Fiala? Why? that's a loosing battle for you.

what am i arguing that is both sides? you know that there are TWO sides (at least) with every deal. maybe there's a sucker in OTT that is willing to sell a up-and-coming stud like Rossi (more polished version of Bedard and a pick and height - Wild were fleeced!!) to a fanbase AFTER BT tells them he had enough of maple syrup and wants out. maybe GM does it to save his skin and prolong his job a bit longer? 

I did and do like Fiala.  Nowhere did I say otherwise.  Read what others post instead of arguing what makes you look better.  Fiala also has more years than Rossi, but AGAIN, Rossi plays a more important position (Center) and is on a similar projection year after year points wise.  
 

Yes, there are at least two sides to an argument, BUT you seem to like to flip flop to just argue that you are always right depending on what version suits your current post.

Case in point, you argue in favor of Fiala, especially the current version, while arguing against Rossi.  Rossi produced extremely well in his second year and in year over year production at a more valuable position.  Yet, you argue that it was a mistake to trade Fiala, but have argued all season to trade Rossi and now keep him on the 4th line.

AGAIN, I thought the Fiala trade was wrong and GMBG got very lucky with Faber.  I think management has handled Rossi wrong for over a year including playing Gaudreau over him.

[WildNotMild]

23 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

so you want to put nyquil with zuccy and rossi then? that be world tiniest line? and then gaudreau to center trenin and braz? basically nullifying any momentum that L4 has? you are killing both lines with this switch. 

Here you base your argument on the two players height.  I think Rossi plays a grittier game than Gaudreau.  The point of the article is to get the guys who are producing the most more minutes.  
 

Are you trying to argue that Gaudreau is somehow more intimidating or meaner than Rossi?  He isn’t and I don’t think very many, if any, would argue that Gaudreau is.

I am arguing that Rossi is more skilled than Gaudreau and should help unlock the skill of Nyquist and Zuccy who have both been silent.

I would actually propose KK-JEE-Zuccy and Nyquist-Rossi-Boldy to balance out scoring and matchups on the road.

AGAIN, to point out your flip flopping, you have been arguing that there isn’t any bulk/meanness in the top 6, but are also arguing that switching Gaudreau and Rossi will make the line “softer” with Rossi on it.

[WildNotMild]

31 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

did i say Yurov Rossi and Ohgren in my post? 

i think one of the prospects could replace MJ and Braz. low bar to clear!

don't be frustrated! i am here to spread wisdom all around.....be patient - it'll come to you!

Your “wisdom” just proposed that a single prospect can replace two players next year.  Keep saying things like this and GMBG might hire you as his assistant GM.

[OldDutchChip]

5 minutes ago, WildNotMild said:

I did and do like Fiala.  Nowhere did I say otherwise.  Read what others post instead of arguing what makes you look better.  Fiala also has more years than Rossi, but AGAIN, Rossi plays a more important position (Center) and is on a similar projection year after year points wise.  
 

Yes, there are at least two sides to an argument, BUT you seem to like to flip flop to just argue that you are always right depending on what version suits your current post.

Case in point, you argue in favor of Fiala, especially the current version, while arguing against Rossi.  Rossi produced extremely well in his second year and in year over year production at a more valuable position.  Yet, you argue that it was a mistake to trade Fiala, but have argued all season to trade Rossi and now keep him on the 4th line.

AGAIN, I thought the Fiala trade was wrong and GMBG got very lucky with Faber.  I think management has handled Rossi wrong for over a year including playing Gaudreau over him.

ok fine you like fiala and faber and rossi. what's the point? do you want to sign rossi long-term? sorry - that ain't happening. you can blame me and my ways of argument. but to that point - 

Case in point, you argue in favor of Fiala, especially the current version, while arguing against Rossi.  Rossi produced extremely well in his second year and in year over year production at a more valuable position.  Yet, you argue that it was a mistake to trade Fiala, but have argued all season to trade Rossi and now keep him on the 4th line. yes i do argue for Fiala because he was more efficient than Rossi on the offensive end and drove his line, something that Rossi does not do. and wake me up when Rossi is a pt per game player.  it was a mistake to trade him. How is Rossi relevant here? Rossi's play is still not anywhere equivalent to that of Fiala's. what is the parallel here? All this what ifs and projections are useless - Rossi has scored 9 pts in 22 games. repeating 9 pts in 22 games entering the POs. hardly an offensive dynamo. 

 

[OldDutchChip]

9 minutes ago, WildNotMild said:

Here you base your argument on the two players height.  I think Rossi plays a grittier game than Gaudreau.  The point of the article is to get the guys who are producing the most more minutes.  
 

Are you trying to argue that Gaudreau is somehow more intimidating or meaner than Rossi?  He isn’t and I don’t think very many, if any, would argue that Gaudreau is.

I am arguing that Rossi is more skilled than Gaudreau and should help unlock the skill of Nyquist and Zuccy who have both been silent.

I would actually propose KK-JEE-Zuccy and Nyquist-Rossi-Boldy to balance out scoring and matchups on the road.

AGAIN, to point out your flip flopping, you have been arguing that there isn’t any bulk/meanness in the top 6, but are also arguing that switching Gaudreau and Rossi will make the line “softer” with Rossi on it.

Here you base your argument on the two players height.  I think Rossi plays a grittier game than Gaudreau.  The point of the article is to get the guys who are producing the most more minutes.  why does it matter if production comes from L4 or L3? if Rossi is mashing with Trenin, why break it up? why kill L4 with Freddy, who has no skill, no speed and none of the finesse or toughness? or will Rossi be THAT much more effective with Nyquil and Zuccy?

I am arguing that Rossi is more skilled than Gaudreau and should help unlock the skill of Nyquist and Zuccy who have both been silent. yes Rossi is more skilled that Freddy. But why would you tinker with a line at this stage? we are in crucial point in PO and you want to mess with what's working? again - team needs balance offense. right now - L4 gives them that, but you want to scramble it? why? 

I would actually propose KK-JEE-Zuccy and Nyquist-Rossi-Boldy to balance out scoring and matchups on the road. why would you break up the entire team's chemistry? L1 has played a mostly flawless games and now you want to basically shuffle every line? that's a bit much and i think not wise. 

AGAIN, to point out your flip flopping, you have been arguing that there isn’t any bulk/meanness in the top 6, but are also arguing that switching Gaudreau and Rossi will make the line “softer” with Rossi on it. you do understand that rossi maybe the lightest player on our team on the offense? nyquist is basically a peacock out there, while zuccy does have some spunk. again i ask - why would you kill two lines? you realize that a line composed of Zuccy, Nyquil and Rossi is just too small to do anything. Rossi succeeded in g3-4 because of Trenin's work on the boards. that's it! you will remove that advantage and kill both lines. there is no flip flopping - just reality. 

[OldDutchChip]

14 minutes ago, WildNotMild said:

Your “wisdom” just proposed that a single prospect can replace two players next year.  Keep saying things like this and GMBG might hire you as his assistant GM.

why is it so hard to replace Braz and MJ? 

and you know GMBG is our GM and he makes the decisions....not you.... so if you compare me and my thoughts and approach to his - then aren't you then saying that what i say will play out? hmm thank you!

[WildNotMild]

5 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

ok fine you like fiala and faber and rossi. what's the point? do you want to sign rossi long-term? sorry - that ain't happening. you can blame me and my ways of argument. but to that point - 

Case in point, you argue in favor of Fiala, especially the current version, while arguing against Rossi.  Rossi produced extremely well in his second year and in year over year production at a more valuable position.  Yet, you argue that it was a mistake to trade Fiala, but have argued all season to trade Rossi and now keep him on the 4th line. yes i do argue for Fiala because he was more efficient than Rossi on the offensive end and drove his line, something that Rossi does not do. and wake me up when Rossi is a pt per game player.  it was a mistake to trade him. How is Rossi relevant here? Rossi's play is still not anywhere equivalent to that of Fiala's. what is the parallel here? All this what ifs and projections are useless - Rossi has scored 9 pts in 22 games. repeating 9 pts in 22 games entering the POs. hardly an offensive dynamo. 

 

I understand why other posters just give up with you.  I LIKED Fiala and didn’t like the trade.   GMBG got lucky to get Faber out of it.  

Rossi has similar production to Fiala in his first two years compared to Fiala while also playing Center and being much better defensively.  The knock on Fiala was he was all offense and no defense.  Haven’t you made the exact same argument about Brock Boser?  Again with the flip flopping.

I think Rossi will be traded, but I think it is a mistake.  I think 7-8M per year is fair considering his position and the cap increasing.  

[SkolWild73]

I have a fun stat if we all want to talk about the game tomorrow instead.  The team that has had the higher face-off percentage in the Wild/Vegas series has lost each game. All the more reason to play Rossi more (since he is at 46% on face-offs so far)😀

[WildNotMild]

4 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

Here you base your argument on the two players height.  I think Rossi plays a grittier game than Gaudreau.  The point of the article is to get the guys who are producing the most more minutes.  why does it matter if production comes from L4 or L3? if Rossi is mashing with Trenin, why break it up? why kill L4 with Freddy, who has no skill, no speed and none of the finesse or toughness? or will Rossi be THAT much more effective with Nyquil and Zuccy?

I am arguing that Rossi is more skilled than Gaudreau and should help unlock the skill of Nyquist and Zuccy who have both been silent. yes Rossi is more skilled that Freddy. But why would you tinker with a line at this stage? we are in crucial point in PO and you want to mess with what's working? again - team needs balance offense. right now - L4 gives them that, but you want to scramble it? why? 

I would actually propose KK-JEE-Zuccy and Nyquist-Rossi-Boldy to balance out scoring and matchups on the road. why would you break up the entire team's chemistry? L1 has played a mostly flawless games and now you want to basically shuffle every line? that's a bit much and i think not wise. 

AGAIN, to point out your flip flopping, you have been arguing that there isn’t any bulk/meanness in the top 6, but are also arguing that switching Gaudreau and Rossi will make the line “softer” with Rossi on it. you do understand that rossi maybe the lightest player on our team on the offense? nyquist is basically a peacock out there, while zuccy does have some spunk. again i ask - why would you kill two lines? you realize that a line composed of Zuccy, Nyquil and Rossi is just too small to do anything. Rossi succeeded in g3-4 because of Trenin's work on the boards. that's it! you will remove that advantage and kill both lines. there is no flip flopping - just reality. 

I proposed the two lines as an attempt to placate you.  The top loaded line is great when it is working but is also much easier to get the best defensive pair against and whatever line the other coach wants to match up on the road.  That is why a team like the Oilers will split up Dry and McDavid on the road.

If you are truly high on the current 4th line, why not play them second line minutes.  AGAIN, the point of the article is to get the better production players more playing time.  If the 4th line is consistently outperforming your second line, why wouldn’t you switch Rossi and Gaudreau?

AGAIN, you are flip flopping by saying that Rossi belongs on the 4th line BUT to also play him less than Gaudreau despite Rossi consistently outperforming him during the season and playoffs.

Go ahead and cite Rossi’s drop off in production at the end of the season.  He was still outperforming almost everyone else during that stretch after taking a shot to the knee, BUT he played through the injury.

I don’t think Rossi is the utmost, but I do think he is a good player and should be playing more minutes than Gaudreau.  Either a one for one switch or adjust as necessary to get your best players the most minutes.  AGAIN, the point of the article.

[WildNotMild]

14 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

why is it so hard to replace Braz and MJ? 

and you know GMBG is our GM and he makes the decisions....not you.... so if you compare me and my thoughts and approach to his - then aren't you then saying that what i say will play out? hmm thank you!

As usual, you missed the point of someone else’s post.  Not surprised at all.  I am also not the one trying to play fantasy hockey GM on this thread and others, but you are conveniently omitting that fact as you flip flop from post to post.

[RedLake]

1 hour ago, WildNotMild said:

My point that you seemed to miss is that GMBG got lucky with Faber (who I like).  He is treating Rossi like he treated Fiala (very unfairly in my opinion) when the Wild have been starved for scoring forever.

Again, you liking Fiala and dumping on Rossi (although not the exact same type of player) highlights my point about you arguing both sides and not being consistent.

Fiala and lil Rossi aren't the same playa. 

[Pewterschmidt]

2 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

Trenin and Braz and Rossi were doing well enough and offered balance to our lines

that's how Vegas plays - look at their lines. they have players who can score everywhere

I’m down with ODC on this issue.  If by adding Rossi to the rock soup that is T-Braz, you create two goals in 2 games then Hynzy is genius.  Keep Rossi there and see if that line scores again. It ain’t broke

[WildNotMild]

3 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

I’m down with ODC on this issue.  If by adding Rossi to the rock soup that is T-Braz, you create two goals in 2 games then Hynzy is genius.  Keep Rossi there and see if that line scores again. It ain’t broke

I hope we win the series and line 2 doesn’t stay silent with maybe line 4 staying the same production wise or also going quiet.  What really makes me worried is that line 1 for Vegas is going to wake up in a big way.  If so, we need more scoring.  Hopefully, Hynes will quickly switch the lines up on the fly if we need more offense since I really don’t see him playing line 4 more than line 2.

[SkolWild73]

1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

trade rossi and ohgren for svechnikov

sweeten the deal by including freddy

kap gets a friend and signs

First off,   I doubt Carolina would trade him since he is signed for 4 more years and they are in contention every year.  Would have thought they would have included him in the Ranty trade if he was available.

Second, is he that much of an upgrade over Rossi to include Ohgren too?  Yes he is big and has the potential to be an 80-90 point scorer.  But he is now 25 and in his 7th season and has yet to put up 70 points.  On top of that, this year he put up 48 points in 72 games with only 10 goals at even strength.  On top of that, he is hurt, a lot.  
 

Seems a risky option.  

 

 

[WildNotMild]

13 minutes ago, RedLake said:

Fiala and lil Rossi aren't the same playa. 

Agreed, Rossi plays a more premium position, is on a better projectory at the same age points wise and plays defense.  All of that is said with me liking Fiala and wishing we didn’t trade him.

[OldDutchChip]

28 minutes ago, WildNotMild said:

I understand why other posters just give up with you.  I LIKED Fiala and didn’t like the trade.   GMBG got lucky to get Faber out of it.  

Rossi has similar production to Fiala in his first two years compared to Fiala while also playing Center and being much better defensively.  The knock on Fiala was he was all offense and no defense.  Haven’t you made the exact same argument about Brock Boser?  Again with the flip flopping.

I think Rossi will be traded, but I think it is a mistake.  I think 7-8M per year is fair considering his position and the cap increasing.  

what other posters? freddy? oh him and i are buds!

I understand why other posters just give up with you. thanks - who gave up? that chicken guy?

Rossi has similar production to Fiala in his first two years compared to Fiala while also playing Center and being much better defensively.  there is a timeline here, we don't have a growth and development plan - we need to show results. it's not all about rossi, we have kaprizov to convince to sign - do we say "hey look Rossi is resigned and we gave him so much money that we cannot sign anyone else, hooray".......the same rossi who has given us 9 pts in 22 games to finish the season and has been trusted the L4 duties lately. reality - his play is inconsistent and not something that you look for when playoffs start. as for fiala - who cares? fiala is gone. i guess, ship out Rossi too?  

The knock on Fiala was he was all offense and no defense.  i mean if you have Boldy and Fiala on a line - do you really expect to defend? 

Haven’t you made the exact same argument about Brock Boser?  Again with the flip flopping.  what argument? i never wanted brock boeser. 

I think Rossi will be traded, but I think it is a mistake.  I think 7-8M per year is fair considering his position and the cap increasing.  here is the issue - rossi occupies and will get paid to occupy top 6 spot. there is NO spot left for an undersized C/W in the top 6. so yes he will be gone and we should NOT pay anything above 7 for him. if he wants bridge deal - then offer 5 for 3 years. this will allow him to maximize earning in the future and allow us to trade him. win / win.  

[OldDutchChip]

16 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

I’m down with ODC on this issue.  If by adding Rossi to the rock soup that is T-Braz, you create two goals in 2 games then Hynzy is genius.  Keep Rossi there and see if that line scores again. It ain’t broke

you know it comrade! 

who cares what line you are on? keep scoring and get us a R1 victory