Article: Zeev Buium Earns First NHL Point in Wild's Game 3

[Tony Abbott]

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[Enforceror]

24 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

I gave rossi credit up to the time he disappeared. in fact - i even stated that out of the three youngsters (Rossi, Faber, Boldy) i'd pick him to keep. 

but after that, his game changed. 

So it's YOUR fault!!!! 😉

[Enforceror]

24 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

I gave rossi credit up to the time he disappeared. in fact - i even stated that out of the three youngsters (Rossi, Faber, Boldy) i'd pick him to keep. 

but after that, his game changed. 

So it's YOUR fault!!!! 😉

[Enforceror]

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[Mateo3xm]

17 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

nah - i think every one needs to produce, but you seem to have this obsession with rossi, who you have to defend like your own child. is he immune to scrutiny? is he wrongfully placed on L4? what is your main point with these flare ups? what do you actually want w rossi? common Tony, you are the GM - what do you do? let's hear it!

you want him signed 8 years for 10 mil per? and plugged into a top 6 because he deserves it? or what is the point of your chivalry? just standing up for a lad getting criticized? 

You are obviously the one that’s obsessed with Rossi. You can’t help but criticize him even though he’s a second yr player that scored 60pts. He’s solid on both ends and you pick the most ludicrous things to criticize him on. Zeev is a 19yr old playing his first games in the playoffs..

how can you not put things in perspective? He’s doing just fine.

[OldDutchChip]

1 hour ago, Mateo3xm said:

You are obviously the one that’s obsessed with Rossi. You can’t help but criticize him even though he’s a second yr player that scored 60pts. He’s solid on both ends and you pick the most ludicrous things to criticize him on. Zeev is a 19yr old playing his first games in the playoffs..

how can you not put things in perspective? He’s doing just fine.

the pts argument again? there is more to the game, especially in the PO. 

perfect example - Eichel being (-2) yesterday BUT was the best player on the ice. but you probably will judge him as trash too because the stats don't lie.

rossi's time has deservingly been given to hartman. you want to replace harty with rossi? i hope not. but do let me know if you actually do - that would prove to be a big time bias

zeev being 19 and playing in his first playoff game is all good - except for.....the fact that he should not be playing. he did not earn the playing time and his skills are not there yet. his place should be vacated to merrill or chissy - who did earn that. now we have to play him or risk damaging his psyche and then we have MAF over Talbot again - but Merrill is not as important as Tally so who cares right? or maybe he is that important? given that raw kid probably cost us a game while merrill would have not ..... 🤔 oh whatever - no one will ever know - but the fact was - Zeev = 4 min penalty that drew Vegas even.....that will sting him

[Mateo3xm]

On 4/26/2025 at 9:02 PM, OldDutchChip said:

nah - i think every one needs to produce, but you seem to have this obsession with rossi, who you have to defend like your own child. is he immune to scrutiny? is he wrongfully placed on L4? what is your main point with these flare ups? what do you actually want w rossi? common Tony, you are the GM - what do you do? let's hear it!

you want him signed 8 years for 10 mil per? and plugged into a top 6 because he deserves it? or what is the point of your chivalry? just standing up for a lad getting criticized? 

YOU are the one who has an obsession with him! You're constantly bashing him as if it’s all his fault lol. You’re unable to put things into perspective or comprehend much of anything when it comes to hockey. He’s a second year player that scored 60pts in the regular season and this was his first playoff series ever. He played between 10-12 min a night and still had 3pts in 6 games. Remember when a lot of people were bashing Boldy because he didn’t do much in the playoffs last time? It took him the 3rd playoff series to become what he’s doing now. It’s simple and common sense that is obvious not so common to you and some others on here. You want someone to blame and you blame the guy playing on the 4th line with 10-12 min a night. Do you not realize how absolutely ridiculous that sounds? 

[OldDutchChip]

2 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

YOU are the one who has an obsession with him! You're constantly bashing him as if it’s all his fault lol. You’re unable to put things into perspective or comprehend much of anything when it comes to hockey. He’s a second year player that scored 60pts in the regular season and this was his first playoff series ever. He played between 10-12 min a night and still had 3pts in 6 games. Remember when a lot of people were bashing Boldy because he didn’t do much in the playoffs last time? It took him the 3rd playoff series to become what he’s doing now. It’s simple and common sense that is obvious not so common to you and some others on here. You want someone to blame and you blame the guy playing on the 4th line with 10-12 min a night. Do you not realize how absolutely ridiculous that sounds? 

Rossi failed and then you post this crap?

[Mateo3xm]

23 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

Rossi failed and then you post this crap?

I figured you wouldn’t have anything reasonable as a response 😂

[OldDutchChip]

1 hour ago, Mateo3xm said:

I figured you wouldn’t have anything reasonable as a response 😂

i already said all there is to say on him. he is gone and not worth any more talk. especially with you. go celebrate his 60 point season. 

[Mateo3xm]

19 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

i already said all there is to say on him. he is gone and not worth any more talk. especially with you. go celebrate his 60 point season. 

Rossi had 3pts in 6 games, plus minus 0, 22.2% shooting percentage and was 48.9% on face offs and had an average toi of 11:08 min…

Let’s compare to some other notable Wild players…

Boldy’s first series(21-22)he scored 1pt in 6 games, was -1 and played an average toi of 13:19 min and 75% on face offs with 7.7% shooting percentage. His second playoff series (22-23) he had 3pts in 6 games, was -5 and had an average toi of 20:53 min with 45.9% on face offs and 0.0% on shooting. Third series you are all aware of. He had 7pts in 6 games, +/- of 0, 25:01 min of TOI, 20% on face offs

JEE had the same amount of pts in 6 games as Rossi in this series, had an average toi of 22:00 min, 53.6% on face offs and a 0% shooting percentage.

In his first 25 playoff games over 5 playoff series he had a total of 9pts.. He was also never higher than 47.5% on face offs. It took him his 5th series to get to 47.5% on face offs.

Kaprizov first playoffs series (20-21) 3pts in 7 games, -3, 18:52 min of average time on ice, 20% shooting percentage.

[Protec]

If MN let go of Zuccy, Nyquist, NoJo, Fred, and just kept Rossi, that would be good. 

[OldDutchChip]

2 hours ago, Mateo3xm said:

 

Rossi had 3pts in 6 games, plus minus 0, 22.2% shooting percentage and was 48.9% on face offs and had an average toi of 11:08 min…

Let’s compare to some other notable Wild players…

Boldy’s first series(21-22)he scored 1pt in 6 games, was -1 and played an average toi of 13:19 min and 75% on face offs with 7.7% shooting percentage. His second playoff series (22-23) he had 3pts in 6 games, was -5 and had an average toi of 20:53 min with 45.9% on face offs and 0.0% on shooting. Third series you are all aware of. He had 7pts in 6 games, +/- of 0, 25:01 min of TOI, 20% on face offs

JEE had the same amount of pts in 6 games as Rossi in this series, had an average toi of 22:00 min, 53.6% on face offs and a 0% shooting percentage.

In his first 25 playoff games over 5 playoff series he had a total of 9pts.. He was also never higher than 47.5% on face offs. It took him his 5th series to get to 47.5% on face offs.

Kaprizov first playoffs series (20-21) 3pts in 7 games, -3, 18:52 min of average time on ice, 20% shooting percentage.

let's compare what matters -

• rossi had the lowest expected goal rate for the last game, he was unplayable, he gifted vegas 4 minutes of PP and wild played catchup after, he showed zero courage or energy in the last game of the year and lost ALL board battles.
• last quarter of the season his play regressed and he was playing at 35 pt pace per 82 games. he was moved rightfully to L4 where thankfully Trenin played - and Trenin came to play these POs and gifted Rossi two beauty assists. 

who cares about Boldy Ek and Kap? you realize any stat comparison is flawed if they don't take in all variables vs just a hand-full? and even then it's pretty much impossible to be accurate and even in perfect world  it needs to be complimented with an eye test. additionally -  these four players are NOT the same players and play a game differently. thus they may need adjustment to this fancy stat model that you use.....might as well throw jarg and cuma in there too. why not? or is Rossi on the same trajectory as Gretzky already?

finally - i have never said Rossi is done as a player. he can still develop into useful player both in the reg season and PO. but on his timeline  - not on ours. we have a timeline that runs parallel to Kaprizov, not Rossi. so Rossi doesn't fit. hence - bye. 

 

[Protec]

It's a matter of balance yet. MN lacked balance last season and again this season. If Rossi was the only little Euro forward, no problem. 

He's not a Marchand or St.Louis. Therefore, one Rossi with a better balanced group wouldn't be bad. Currently, the Wild were too small and meek to beat Vegas and the Refs. They need more size, speed, strength, and effyou like teams who win the Cup. 

The kinds of guys who will not be denied, no matter what. Matt Tkachuk, M. Stone, Brayden Schenn type guys. 

Boldy started to look that way this season which is very encouraging. 

Moose, Hartzy, and Trenin played really hard. That's what MN needs more of. Not perimeter finesse or woe is me. 

The Wild need alpha-dudes who will take control or dish out damage on their opponents for fun in a determined to win way. Not to be denied, play with busted ribs, etc. Playoffs is not regular season. 

[Protec]

"Going gets tough, tough get going." did not originate in Europe. 

Europe did not liberate themselves.

North American hockey breeds the guys you want for playoffs. There just aren't many Peter Forsbergs or Darius Kasparitis players out there. MN has Ek, but the Wild aren't playing Buffalo or San Jose in the playoffs. You're not gonna score five that often. 

The Wild need to be able to win 3-2 games and shut down Howdens, Eichels & Stones. They couldn't do it even if they were close. 

Regroup and reduce the Euro footprint on the Wild roster. 

[OldDutchChip]

1 hour ago, Protec said:

It's a matter of balance yet. MN lacked balance last season and again this season. If Rossi was the only little Euro forward, no problem. 

He's not a Marchand or St.Louis. Therefore, one Rossi with a better balanced group wouldn't be bad. Currently, the Wild were too small and meek to beat Vegas and the Refs. They need more size, speed, strength, and effyou like teams who win the Cup. 

The kinds of guys who will not be denied, no matter what. Matt Tkachuk, M. Stone, Brayden Schenn type guys. 

Boldy started to look that way this season which is very encouraging. 

Moose, Hartzy, and Trenin played really hard. That's what MN needs more of. Not perimeter finesse or woe is me. 

The Wild need alpha-dudes who will take control or dish out damage on their opponents for fun in a determined to win way. Not to be denied, play with busted ribs, etc. Playoffs is not regular season. 

Very true - there has to be a balance in the top 6, and currently we lack the toughness. I doubt Yurov will offer that. Ek is a punching bag and Boldy is not that. So really we do not have any toughness. 

Would we be able to grab one of the Russians from Columbus for package centering around Rossi - Ohgren and of course Freddy be enticing to our old coach?

I think voronkov offers physicality, but he might be untouchable, so maybe the other ? Marchenko

[Mateo3xm]

3 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

rossi had the lowest expected goal rate for the last game

Where are you getting this stat? What’s your source?

 

3 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

3 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

you realize any stat comparison is flawed if they don't take in all variables vs just a hand-full?

This is the most hilarious response yet. I can’t even believe you’re trying to defend your opinion with this response. I’d explain it to you but it’ll go in one ear and out the other.

 

Arguing with you is like arguing with a drunk. It just doesn’t go anywhere because you aren’t able to see the Forrest for the trees.

[Mateo3xm]

2 hours ago, Protec said:

He's not a Marchand or St.Louis. Therefore, one Rossi with a better balanced group wouldn't be bad. Currently, the Wild were too small and meek to beat Vegas and the Refs. They need more size, speed, strength, and effyou like teams who win the Cup. 

The kinds of guys who will not be denied, no matter what. Matt Tkachuk, M. Stone, Brayden Schenn type guys. 

I actually agree with everything except how do you know he’s not Marchand or St Louis? It took Marchand 7 seasons to score over 60pts and Rossi did it in his 2nd season. Obviously Marchand has a different playing style being very physical and a pest. If you don’t think this team needs more players that put up points there’s something wrong. You know how long it took M. St.Louis to put up over 60pts? 4 seasons, when he put up 70pts. St.Louis wasn’t know as a physical player either so…

like I’ve said before, this team absolutely needs to get bigger. No more 5’9-5’11 ft players unless you’ve already got a team full of big hungry animals. It should be made up mostly of American, Canadian and Russian players with a few Euros sprinkled in that have something to add to the team. You can have one maybe 2 smaller players but that’s about it or you get crushed in the playoffs. In my opinion Rossi was an exception because he was leading the CHL in points. Even more than the first overall pick. I wouldn’t have been mad at all if we drafted Lundell but you do know he’s from Finland right?

[OldDutchChip]

1 hour ago, Mateo3xm said:

Where are you getting this stat? What’s your source?

 

This is the most hilarious response yet. I can’t even believe you’re trying to defend your opinion with this response. I’d explain it to you but it’ll go in one ear and out the other.

 

Arguing with you is like arguing with a drunk. It just doesn’t go anywhere because you aren’t able to see the Forrest for the trees.

Where are you getting this stat? What’s your source? Russo and Smith article dated 5/2, quote "the fact he (Rossi) had the worst expected goal percentage on the team in the series"

This is the most hilarious response yet. I can’t even believe you’re trying to defend your opinion with this response. I’d explain it to you but it’ll go in one ear and out the other. tell me what's incorrect with my response and i'll help you out, if not - chill

Arguing with you is like arguing with a drunk. It just doesn’t go anywhere because you aren’t able to see the Forrest for the trees. there is no argument because you have nothing. go already and whip away your rossi tears

[Protec]

4 hours ago, Mateo3xm said:

I actually agree with everything except how do you know he’s not Marchand or St Louis? It took Marchand 7 seasons to score over 60pts and Rossi did it in his 2nd season. Obviously Marchand has a different playing style being very physical and a pest. If you don’t think this team needs more players that put up points there’s something wrong. You know how long it took M. St.Louis to put up over 60pts? 4 seasons, when he put up 70pts. St.Louis wasn’t know as a physical player either so…

like I’ve said before, this team absolutely needs to get bigger. No more 5’9-5’11 ft players unless you’ve already got a team full of big hungry animals. It should be made up mostly of American, Canadian and Russian players with a few Euros sprinkled in that have something to add to the team. You can have one maybe 2 smaller players but that’s about it or you get crushed in the playoffs. In my opinion Rossi was an exception because he was leading the CHL in points. Even more than the first overall pick. I wouldn’t have been mad at all if we drafted Lundell but you do know he’s from Finland right?

Good response. I just think you have to limit the number of small, skill, finesse, guys. Perhaps Rossi can develop into that kind of player and I agree he has room to improve over the coming years. Minnesota just needs to sprinkle those guys in, not the other way around where you add a Trenin or Brazo to offset a smallish lineup of playmaker types. 

It's a playoff round that MN can't win. So looking at teams who consistently go deep, they've got similar qualities that is very consistent. Leaders like Stone, Schenn, MacKinnon, Tkachuk, Bennett, and Ovi. Big, strong, or fast guys who can score and who have big impacts in every game. Also depth because last year EDM tried to play their top lines too much and it wasn't enough for Florida's balanced four lines. 

The formula is there with each of the teams who reach the Conference finals every season. MN needs to mimic that or it's never gonna work. Not saying Rossi can't be part of it but it can't be 50% of the roster composition. (Small/Euro)

The Wild need to gather the type of Euros like Ek and Neiderietter fod Euros if they wanna win and limit the number of regular season players who are less effective in the playoffs. The whole NHL wants players with that kind of skill/sandpaper/size/speed mix. Minnesota hasn't been able to afford them. They've settled for the Freds and NoJos while grabbing a Trenin or Brazo along the way but it's time to now fill holes and shuffle in the kind of players everyone wants. Rasmus Andersson, or Victor Hedman type Euros will never be available. Tkachuks or Eichels aren't coming to MN either and "Guru" draft geniuses have left MN hanging. 

Turn the page and find the guts and heart in the large, fast bodies. Get the goals from the greasy areas and on special teams with players who make chances count. The Bogos and Brodins aren't bad but bring beards and body position over production which is why Buium was to boost the back end. 

It's the overall balance that isn't there yet.