Article: Brock Boeser Is the Perfect Wild Offseason Target

[SkolWild73]

4 minutes ago, BeanPole Harvester said:

Looks like I was a  little past my bedtime when I did my math...

I think you forgot to add the buyout's still on the books with your numbers. If my assumption is correct that would put them at about $8.8 mil

Buyouts should be included in my numbers.

Edited Wednesday at 06:40 PM by SkolWild73

[BeanPole Harvester]

24 minutes ago, Scalptrash said:

That's a normal re-signing scenario, but he will want to renegotiate his current contract because the Wild will finally have money. Why would he wait another year and make less money when he could make it now. He's in the driver's seat. It will be a negotiating tactic for him to stay and Guerin will foolishly over pay him, like he always does.

Per Puck pedia...

[FredJohnson]

1 hour ago, SkolWild73 said:

Hopefully they don't spend over $8M and leave some room to make some moves at the trade deadline next year if needed.

I think we gotta leave some room for the inevitable rash of injuries.

[SkolWild73]

6 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

I think we gotta leave some room for the inevitable rash of injuries.

That too.

[Patrick]

59 minutes ago, Kato AK said:

Boeser has 8 full seasons in the NHL and was 0.75 ppg in 6 of the 8 seasons. The only players on the Wild the match that are KK, Boldy, and Zuccy.

If you remove last year (the obvious outlier) he averages 45 points per year for his career.  He has also been a negative 32 for his career.  That jumps to a negative 52!!! if you remove last years outlier.  He was negative 24 this year.  By comparison Jon Merrill (our worst player by a considerable margin) was only negative 8.  Its hard to understate how bad he is defensively. And with age his "defense" will only get worst.  The minute he signs his contract it becomes the worst contract in the NHL.

[Scalptrash]

1 hour ago, SkolWild73 said:

1. Marner

2. Bennet

No on the rest.

[SkolWild73]

1 minute ago, Scalptrash said:

No on the rest.

Not even Ehlers?

[Scalptrash]

2 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

Not even Ehlers?

Yeah, but he's a little older, has peaked, and will be just as expensive for a long term. You'll never get that production out of him in MN anyway. Just not enough surrounding talent on this team.

I wish they would go after guys more like Matt Coronato, who is an RFA, but Calgary would be foolish to let him go. Younger, skilled, high upside potential, cheaper, etc. 

I'm always thinking big picture and building a better foundation than adding a veteran or two every year and trying to make them fit in.

[Kato AK]

1 hour ago, Patrick said:

If you remove last year (the obvious outlier) he averages 45 points per year for his career.  He has also been a negative 32 for his career.  That jumps to a negative 52!!! if you remove last years outlier.  He was negative 24 this year.  By comparison Jon Merrill (our worst player by a considerable margin) was only negative 8.  Its hard to understate how bad he is defensively. And with age his "defense" will only get worst.  The minute he signs his contract it becomes the worst contract in the NHL.

The second part of your point is a 2-way street. if you take THIS year as an outlier, VAN was terrible this year, then Boeser is a career -8 and -7 including playoffs. One of the biggest knocks on the Wild is secondary scoring, trying to imply there is no room for Boeser is a bad look. Do I think he is worth 8.5M? No, but I would take him on a team friendly deal. Same with Nelson.

[Patrick]

4 minutes ago, Kato AK said:

The second part of your point is a 2-way street. if you take THIS year as an outlier, VAN was terrible this year, then Boeser is a career -8 and -7 including playoffs. One of the biggest knocks on the Wild is secondary scoring, trying to imply there is no room for Boeser is a bad look. Do I think he is worth 8.5M? No, but I would take him on a team friendly deal. Same with Nelson.

This year isn't an outlier for him.  He has been a liability his entire career.  The reality is that Boeser is a power play specialist who gets BADLY outplayed 5 on 5. Something that will get substantially worse as he ages. This year Boeser had the worst +/- on the VAN roster by a wide, wide margin. Frankly, I don't think the Wild have space on the roster to carry a player like that for any price.  Go on the VAN subreddit.  Very few are sad to see him go.

[SkolWild73]

2 hours ago, Patrick said:

If you remove last year (the obvious outlier) he averages 45 points per year for his career.  He has also been a negative 32 for his career.  That jumps to a negative 52!!! if you remove last years outlier.  He was negative 24 this year.  By comparison Jon Merrill (our worst player by a considerable margin) was only negative 8.  Its hard to understate how bad he is defensively. And with age his "defense" will only get worst.  The minute he signs his contract it becomes the worst contract in the NHL.

I am not saying we should get him, but his lowest scoring season is 45 points and that was in 57 games.  He averages .78 pgp in his career.  He has 434 points in 553 games.

[mnhockeyfan03]

Boeser is garbage and a floater player who doesn’t play physical.  The only way to make this team better is through trades.  Everyone on the team should be on the table in trades to improve including Kap.  We need an identity change.  It’s embarrassing the lack of depth and strength this team has.  We need 3-4 new top 6 forwards not including Yurov.  Faber and Rossi are our best trade chips.  Spurgeon trade for salary dump. Same with Hartman and Trenin.  Foligno and Freddie should never play higher than 4th line on a good team.  Sane with Hartman and Trenin. 

[Quebec1648]

The Wild should see if they can trade for Elias Petterson and Brady Katchuk. Then trade Spurgeon to free up cap space.

[OldDutchChip]

Please NOT another Vanek type move - which is what this will be

Boeser Is not worth the money nor the spot

 

[RedLake]

Get Ehlers and Benn forsure.

[Protec]

Not another NoJo. Even if it's a North American one. The Wild need guys like Brock Nelson only younger if they're gonna pay big money. Center depth is still their biggest issue along with size, speed, and toughness. 

Last season's Stamkos, Montour, Marchesseault deals go to show you can get burned on big money deals for high-profile players. 

Also the Wild are not gonna be able to plug in player-types and all of the sudden, the puzzle is solved. 

Teams like STL, WSH, WPG, DAL, FL, etc. have built groups where all the elements fit well together but the fundamentals are there. MN isn't way off but they have too many soft little Euros and not enough speed/strength/size. 

 

[RedLake]

Billy ain't gonna sign Boeser unless it's 4 tops. I'd rather give nojo less than sign a guy who doesn't do shit but play offense.

 

[1Brotherbill]

8 million for depth scoring?  Depth scoring kind of implies 3rd line.  Is that a good spot for him?  Putting him on a line that normally goes up against the other teams top line on the road.

An average of 65 points a season is decent.  However, he doesn't take that many faceoffs.  Almost half of his points have come on the power play.  The lack of defensive skills is a problem as well.

Granted he isn't required to take faceoffs, but if you have watched any Wild games they really need to focus on that aspect of the game.  Depth scoring means that the scoring comes from other areas besides power play.  If his only bright aspect is his power play ability he isn't considered depth scoring then.

I don't know on signing this guy.  If he shows up on the cheap great.  If they spend top dollar for him it is a bad move.  

[1Brotherbill]

Brock Nelson

Brock Boeser

Brock Faber

Brock McGinn

Should we get all the Brocks?

 

[raithis]

19 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Boeser is garbage and a floater player who doesn’t play physical.  The only way to make this team better is through trades.  Everyone on the team should be on the table in trades to improve including Kap.  We need an identity change.  It’s embarrassing the lack of depth and strength this team has.  We need 3-4 new top 6 forwards not including Yurov.  Faber and Rossi are our best trade chips.  Spurgeon trade for salary dump. Same with Hartman and Trenin.  Foligno and Freddie should never play higher than 4th line on a good team.  Sane with Hartman and Trenin. 

I don't agree with a lot of your comment, but I believe you are spot on when you say that the best chance to improve is a trade.

I've seen numerous reports (let's be honest though - rumors) that Pastrnak is frustrated in Boston.

Boston is settling into the hard reality that they have been trying for too long to stay relevant with an aging roster and don't have much of a prospect pool as a result.  They are reportedly trying to re-tool rather than re-build, but that probably means several years of missing the playoffs or barely making it.

Does Pastrnak want to wait through that?

He has a NMC so we'd have to convince him that he will help complete the team.

Boston would want good players AND prospects back.  I feel like they would want Boldy, but I think it's wiser to hold onto him.  Would they be interested in some combination of Rossi, Yurov, Heidt, and high picks?  We'd have to probably find a way to move someone like Trenin to help make the money work, but maybe it is possible.

I know it would be hard to pry Pastrnak from Boston, and maybe it's not even realistic, but it's worth thinking about.  With Free Agency not likely to have a lot available and every team wanting to grab the better options, our best choice is to find teams to trade with or ones that we can potentially offer sheet (maybe Knies?).

 

[SkolWild73]

2 hours ago, raithis said:

I don't agree with a lot of your comment, but I believe you are spot on when you say that the best chance to improve is a trade.

I've seen numerous reports (let's be honest though - rumors) that Pastrnak is frustrated in Boston.

Boston is settling into the hard reality that they have been trying for too long to stay relevant with an aging roster and don't have much of a prospect pool as a result.  They are reportedly trying to re-tool rather than re-build, but that probably means several years of missing the playoffs or barely making it.

Does Pastrnak want to wait through that?

He has a NMC so we'd have to convince him that he will help complete the team.

Boston would want good players AND prospects back.  I feel like they would want Boldy, but I think it's wiser to hold onto him.  Would they be interested in some combination of Rossi, Yurov, Heidt, and high picks?  We'd have to probably find a way to move someone like Trenin to help make the money work, but maybe it is possible.

I know it would be hard to pry Pastrnak from Boston, and maybe it's not even realistic, but it's worth thinking about.  With Free Agency not likely to have a lot available and every team wanting to grab the better options, our best choice is to find teams to trade with or ones that we can potentially offer sheet (maybe Knies?).

 

I would think Pastrnak would cost about as much as Ranty did.  That was one young player and 2 firsts and 2 thirds if I remember correctly.  I would think Rossi and a little less draft compensation would get it done.  Would have to include Rossi to fit his salary, unless Rossi signs for under $5M.

[TheGoosesAreLooses]

Instead of selling the farm to get a defensive black hole, I think we should target some offer sheets instead. While Winnipeg is busy signing Ehlers I would love to target Vilardi and with Toronto's cap situation we should also target Knies. Kick the can down the road to get back our draft picks to pay if we get them and move on. None of the UFA's on this years list are going to heavily move the needle for what they are asking. 

Sew up Rossi, bring up Jiricek and keep Buium up to replace Merrill and Chisholm. Yurov and Ohgren move up to the big leagues and save space for some trade deadline move after paying either Vilardi or Knies.

Makes us seriously younger, deeper and gives a higher ceiling. None of the trades here has seriously made me think about trading out our young core. To go out and get a Tkachuck or Tuch we would have to pay more than we would get back and I would rather watch out young talent develop as far as they can here. 

Kap- Ek- Zucc

Boldy- Rossi- Vilardi

Ohgren- Yurov- Hartman

Foligno- Trenin- Hino

Buium- Faber

Midds- Sprug

Jiricek- Bogo

[TheGoosesAreLooses]

6 minutes ago, TheGoosesAreLooses said:

Instead of selling the farm to get a defensive black hole, I think we should target some offer sheets instead. While Winnipeg is busy signing Ehlers I would love to target Vilardi and with Toronto's cap situation we should also target Knies. Kick the can down the road to get back our draft picks to pay if we get them and move on. None of the UFA's on this years list are going to heavily move the needle for what they are asking. 

Sew up Rossi, bring up Jiricek and keep Buium up to replace Merrill and Chisholm. Yurov and Ohgren move up to the big leagues and save space for some trade deadline move after paying either Vilardi or Knies.

Makes us seriously younger, deeper and gives a higher ceiling. None of the trades here has seriously made me think about trading out our young core. To go out and get a Tkachuck or Tuch we would have to pay more than we would get back and I would rather watch out young talent develop as far as they can here. 

Kap- Ek- Zucc

Boldy- Rossi- Vilardi

Ohgren- Yurov- Hartman

Foligno- Trenin- Hino

Buium- Faber

Midds- Sprug

Jiricek- Bogo

If we give Rossi $7X5 and give Vilardi $6.8X5. 

$21.1M left in cap space

$7 Rossi

$6.8 Vilardi 

$1 Jiricek

$1 Ohgren

$1 Buium

$1 Jiricek

= 3.3M for callups and a baseline for more pickups at the TDL.

[mnhockeyfan03]

1 hour ago, TheGoosesAreLooses said:

Instead of selling the farm to get a defensive black hole, I think we should target some offer sheets instead. While Winnipeg is busy signing Ehlers I would love to target Vilardi and with Toronto's cap situation we should also target Knies. Kick the can down the road to get back our draft picks to pay if we get them and move on. None of the UFA's on this years list are going to heavily move the needle for what they are asking. 

Sew up Rossi, bring up Jiricek and keep Buium up to replace Merrill and Chisholm. Yurov and Ohgren move up to the big leagues and save space for some trade deadline move after paying either Vilardi or Knies.

Makes us seriously younger, deeper and gives a higher ceiling. None of the trades here has seriously made me think about trading out our young core. To go out and get a Tkachuck or Tuch we would have to pay more than we would get back and I would rather watch out young talent develop as far as they can here. 

Kap- Ek- Zucc

Boldy- Rossi- Vilardi

Ohgren- Yurov- Hartman

Foligno- Trenin- Hino

Buium- Faber

Midds- Sprug

Jiricek- Bogo

We need to think bigger than this lineup.  Not close to a Stanley cup roster.  We need more forward changes.  Rossi and zucc should not be top 6 or should Ek is a perfect 3C. Rossi is not a center and not worth over 4mm. To get big fish we are going to have to look at moving Rossi, Faber, Spurgeon. Brodin, Hartman, Trenin etc.  we need huge changes not small ones.  Running the same team back will be a disaster.