Article: Expect Marco Rossi To Rebound Soon

[Citizen Strife]

I'm simply saying Ottawa is going to overvalue Brady as "their guy" they don't trade for anything other than Kap or a bunch of firsts and Faber.  Faber and Ohgren might not be near enough for a guy that is Ottawa's main scorer.

[OldDutchChip]

8 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

I'm simply saying Ottawa is going to overvalue Brady as "their guy" they don't trade for anything other than Kap or a bunch of firsts and Faber.  Faber and Ohgren might not be near enough for a guy that is Ottawa's main scorer.

Good! So you at least acknowledge the possibility. We come in with an offer, I’m not sure we have to go multiple picks, but I’m fine with Faber, Ohgren and first 

are you in?

[Citizen Strife]

Gonna say Brodin, Ohgren, Heidt, and a pick.  Steep, but probably works well enough.

Faber/Jiricek is Spurgeon insurance being way older than Brodin.

[OldDutchChip]

13 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

Gonna say Brodin, Ohgren, Heidt, and a pick.  Steep, but probably works well enough.

Faber/Jiricek is Spurgeon insurance being way older than Brodin.

Ok that’s fine, we are a go!

finally Citi we agree 

🍻 

[mnhockeyfan03]

ODC too many people on here overvalue our current players.  Homer bias I call it.  To get Brady it will cost Faber, Ohgren, and Rossi.  I would do that.  If Ottawa doesn’t want to play go to the next team and go to Buffalo and offer Faber, Ohgren, Rossi, and a pick for Thompson and Tuch or Peterka. 
 

Also find a suitor who will take spurgeons salary and we get a cheap player back then we can find a top 4 D to replace both and jiricek and Zeev can fill the holes.  
 

Billy has to think outside the box and we need 3 new top 6 player in addition to Yurov. Dont be dumb bill and overpay for Nelson or boeser.  Neither are worth over 4mm at 2-3years max and I like Nelson more than Boeser.   Boeser is a soft floater player. 

foligno, Hartman Freddie, etc should all be playing 4th line roles on a good team. 

[mnfaninnc]

5 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

I’d prefer Seeler as he is a sure thing at what he brings. Stable 3rd pair guy at a very low cost. That gives you more money to aggressively pursue a decent top 4 D

We've got 3rd pairing defenders covered. Danielson is on an ELC so that would be even more money to aggressively pursue a decent...player. He fits in the young kid's window and could certainly move into the #3C role very comfortably. 

[mnfaninnc]

5 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

If Ottawa gets knocked out, I’d wager patriotic Tkachuk wouldn’t oppose a move and Ohgren/Faber package can be marketed well for canadas side.

Ehlers and Peterka are not in the class that we need. The point is to grab game changers when you can. Tkachuk will bring one more physical player to the top six to balance out skill and physicality. 

does Faber/Ohgren not get you into a discussion?

Sadly, I don't think it does. I think CS is right about Rossi needing to be a part of this deal. From Ottawa's perspective, they have a lot of money already tied up on defense. But, a quick look on puckpedia looks like they can afford a Faber in the mix. 

I would probably start with a Brodin/Rossi offer and see if the phone stays live. I'd also start talking daily with Staios trying to work something out. The impact of B. Tkachuk would be franchising changing. I wouldn't offer up Faber probably for any other player unless McDavid became available. 

[mnhockeyfan03]

Another option would be to go to the islanders and give them Faber, Oghren, Rossi, Trenin and a pick for Barzal, Lee, Duclair.  We are win now the next 3 years and this greatly helps us.  

[RedLake]

27 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Another option would be to go to the islanders and give them Faber, Oghren, Rossi, Trenin and a pick for Barzal, Lee, Duclair.  We are win now the next 3 years and this greatly helps us.  

The isle would need two 1sts added to that deal.

[mnhockeyfan03]

6 minutes ago, RedLake said:

The isle would need two 1sts added to that deal.

Whatever they need give it to them.  We need big changes and 3-4 new top 6 forwards. The only top 6 forwards that should be a lock for us next year are Kap and Boldy.  Zucc should be 3rd line or traded, Ek 3rd line, Rossi traded, Nojo gone, Hartman and Foligno 4th line. 

[mnhockeyfan03]

If Billy got creative could have these lines

Boldy Barzal  Kap

Yurov  Lee  Duclair

Zucc Ek  Nelson (or another FA for 4-5mm)

foligno  Freddie Hartman 

 

D lineup 

Brodin Zeev

Middleton   FA signing

FA signing   Jiricek 

 

could also insert TThompson abd Tuch into there.  Fact is these teams now are winning games with forwards and D that can just stabilize and not flashy.  The good teams done have more than 5-6mm tied up in a D unless they bring huge offensive upside and we have none of those.  Sorry Faber abd spurge aren’t it.   Forwards are way more important.  

[RedLake]

46 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Whatever they need give it to them.  We need big changes and 3-4 new top 6 forwards. The only top 6 forwards that should be a lock for us next year are Kap and Boldy.  Zucc should be 3rd line or traded, Ek 3rd line, Rossi traded, Nojo gone, Hartman and Foligno 4th line. 

I agree. The bottom six also needs some demo work. 

[OldDutchChip]

8 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

Sadly, I don't think it does. I think CS is right about Rossi needing to be a part of this deal. From Ottawa's perspective, they have a lot of money already tied up on defense. But, a quick look on puckpedia looks like they can afford a Faber in the mix. 

I would probably start with a Brodin/Rossi offer and see if the phone stays live. I'd also start talking daily with Staios trying to work something out. The impact of B. Tkachuk would be franchising changing. I wouldn't offer up Faber probably for any other player unless McDavid became available. 

I wouldn't offer up Faber probably for any other player unless McDavid became available. 
If OTT to take our offer seriously it does have to be Faber and I’d rather keep Rossi anyway (based on his overall play - would a 5y at 6-6.5 per work? It should). 
Also I can’t agree with this last sentence of yours. You are basically saying Faber is untouchable but he should not be. 

[RedLake]

Just had a dream Crotty got a hattie against Dallas and had 20mins in fighting penalties.

[OldDutchChip]

8 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Another option would be to go to the islanders and give them Faber, Oghren, Rossi, Trenin and a pick for Barzal, Lee, Duclair.  We are win now the next 3 years and this greatly helps us.  

Not a fan of this offer. Islanders would jump on that though. 

you only include Faber IF the trade creates a better team balance for us and brings an elite partner for Kap (none in that NYI offer is that)

otherwise you play your hands and wait. Do not trade just to trade- that’s what Billy has been doing.

Tkachuk is in the same age group as Kaprizov. And is in Tier 2. Kap is Tier 1.

Perhaps talk to Boston to see if they want to tear it down and offer up Boston own Boldy + Faber for Pasta

maybe the Canadians are so antiruski that they would send demidov to us for Rossi + Faber

these 3 are game changer type deals and get us into a competitive window (and may entice Kap to stick around)

[mnfaninnc]

9 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

If OTT to take our offer seriously it does have to be Faber and I’d rather keep Rossi anyway (based on his overall play - would a 5y at 6-6.5 per work? It should). 
Also I can’t agree with this last sentence of yours. You are basically saying Faber is untouchable but he should not be. 

Misunderstanding, I meant offer up Faber for anyone besides B. Tkachuk in response to the suggestion of if Ottawa says no we move on to Buffalo with Faber. McD is probably the only other player I would offer Faber for besides a Tkachuk.

[OldDutchChip]

37 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

Misunderstanding, I meant offer up Faber for anyone besides B. Tkachuk in response to the suggestion of if Ottawa says no we move on to Buffalo with Faber. McD is probably the only other player I would offer Faber for besides a Tkachuk.

I think you offer Faber for Tkachuk, Nylander, Pasta, Demidov, Bedard? or Elias, perhaps Guentzel? Those I see as a chance 🙂 

[Sam]

9 hours ago, RedLake said:

Just had a dream Crotty got a hattie against Dallas and had 20mins in fighting penalties.

Keep dreamin.

[Citizen Strife]

Rossi clutch

[Sam]

6 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

Rossi clutch

Rossi good. Rossi put puck in net.

[SkolWild73]

On 4/5/2025 at 12:26 PM, OldDutchChip said:

Good! So you at least acknowledge the possibility. We come in with an offer, I’m not sure we have to go multiple picks, but I’m fine with Faber, Ohgren and first 

are you in?

Found this article the other day while searching if there were any rumors about B. Tkachuk being available.  Not sure how true it is, but the offer for him was pretty substantial.  

Brady Tkachuk Rumors: St. Louis Blues Go All-In? Wild Offseason Trade Chatter! - NHL Trade Rumors

 

[Up North Guy]

2 hours ago, SkolWild73 said:

Found this article the other day while searching if there were any rumors about B. Tkachuk being available.  Not sure how true it is, but the offer for him was pretty substantial.  

Brady Tkachuk Rumors: St. Louis Blues Go All-In? Wild Offseason Trade Chatter! - NHL Trade Rumors

 

High price but I think that is getting closer to what Ottawa would want if he was available. I doubt the wild would match that. Also, isn't he from the St Louis area?

[Neutral Zone Dangles]

On 4/5/2025 at 1:10 AM, Need4speed99 said:

Well, just waiting for the bg fan bois to tell us he sucks....

He needs to do better in a couple aspects( face off wins being the biggest) but overall, why trade him? Why?

I don’t think anyone thinks he “sucks”. But there is a belief of him being overhyped and under performing. He will develop in the future, sure. But as a complementary role. 
 

The issue at hand are those aspects he needs to do better at aren’t small things. Centers need to win faceoffs. Non- negotiable, you can’t win faceoffs at the 50% mark you’re bad. The team has needed talent at the center position for many years. Nothing has been done, no assets acquired to do that. Hard to win games and score points when you have to fight to get possession all the time. 
 

Next, is play making ability. You need a guy to score goals and control play with physicality and presence. Rossi is a hard working player with many good qualities. Physical presence is not one of them. He does have moments when his finesse comes to light. But it’s not as often as you’d like to see. He’s not the kind of player other teams fear seeing on the fore check or out in front of the net. 
 

Taking all this into account he has some large areas for growth to be elevated in the line ups and around higher caliber players. But to do so requires him to be the kind of player that’s value added like consistently winning faceoffs. And not a negative, or at best, a net neutral. 
 

From what I’ve been hearing his camp wants  a significant pay raise. I don’t think he’ll be worth what they’re asking. Ask yourself this, is he better than Ek or Boldy? The numbers being thrown around are equal to or north of their contracts. If we have the ability to get an actual 1/2C that has decent speed, hands, and wins faceoffs, ya, you trade him. 
 

Also, not a Billy G fan. His unnecessary overpaying of bottom 6 players over the years is why this team is lacking in depth.