Article: The David Jiricek Trade Is Still the Right Call

[OldDutchChip]

20 minutes ago, raithis said:

Aren't you the one who acts like he knows what Kaprizov wants all the time?

People post multiple links about Rantanen not wanting to come here, but that's not good enough for you because none of us heard it from personally.

How have you come across this grand insight into Kaprizov?  You never back any of your assertions up and when painted into a corner, you admit you don't know what he's thinking, but then you go right back to acting like you do.

Give it a rest.

Speculation is fine and fun, but you take it a bit too far.

Never said I knew it, but I used common sense

try it sometimes 

[OldDutchChip]

5 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

The biggest point ODC is missing is, "Who wants to sign here and why". Parise and Suter did.  Look where that got the team.

The best players the Wild have had were ones they drafted or bought low on. Spurgeon, Faber, Middleton, Gus?  Gotten from other teams.  Kap, Brodin, Ek, Boldy, Rossi? Drafted.

If the Wild were some mystical fantasy land of greatness, sure, trade for or tank and get those stars.  Problem is, you are dealing with 30 other teams wanting players.

Any player could play or not play here for any reason.  This isn't a video game or GM mode where you can just say, "Give me this 92-95 OVR Player for my 80-85 junk!"

I think Guerin is hit and miss with signings and trades, but what GM isn't?  The fact that the Wild are a playoff team on a house money year has more to do with Hynes than anything.  

Yes, the offense is lackluster, but the PK is performing way better in the last few games, and they are 90-95% sure to make it.  Last year, they were where Calgary was: up shit creek.

 

 

 

The biggest point ODC is missing is, "Who wants to sign here and why". Parise and Suter did.  Look where that got the team.

lets never again sign anyone but MN sons ! 🍻 

[OldDutchChip]

1 hour ago, mnfaninnc said:

Ranty was never going to be a good fit here. He wouldn't have bought into Heinzy's system. He wanted Colorado's system, not a 200' system. I'll enjoy watching the Wild shut him down in the future.

Even if that’s the case, then boot heinzy theN

youre underselling Ranty here my friend 

[Citizen Strife]

You were deadset on Marat being a 2nd line player when his play in Boston has shown otherwise.

You have the same eye for talent the rest us posters do.  We post on websites.  We don't coach much less sign players to contracts.

 

Edited yesterday at 06:38 PM by Citizen Strife

[OldDutchChip]

12 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

You were deadset on Marat being a 2nd line player when his play in Boston has shown otherwise.

You have the same eye for talent the rest us posters do.  We post on websites.  We don't coach much less sign players to contracts.

 

and?

[Pewterschmidt]

2 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

The help is almost here and he'd be foolish not to see that. 

who's the help coming next year, not named Zeev (who i do believe will contribute in his first season)

I assume you have Ogz (let's be patient.  he made strides this year but he's bottom six for foreseeable future.  top 6 passenger at best near term).  I assume you've got Yurov top six from day 1 ( We'll see.  I've never seen him in pads so cannot project).  pulled rip cord on Khuz.  Jirizy is a project so hope you don't foresee him playing above 3rd pair.  Who else?

[OldDutchChip]

2 hours ago, SkolWild73 said:

My point was that we still possess all the picks and then some that Dallas used to make the trade for Ranty.  We didn’t mortgage any future trade by trading for Jiricek of Nyquist.  For the first this year, we are basically just drafting Jiricek with it.

But we did likely mortgage our future 

our future should be with Kap

failing to prioritize and help him now means we fail

[OldDutchChip]

2 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

who's the help coming next year, not named Zeev (who i do believe will contribute in his first season)

I assume you have Ogz (let's be patient.  he made strides this year but he's bottom six for foreseeable future.  top 6 passenger at best near term).  I assume you've got Yurov top six from day 1 ( We'll see.  I've never seen him in pads so cannot project).  pulled rip cord on Khuz.  Jirizy is a project so hope you don't foresee him playing above 3rd pair.  Who else?

 Nelson

[OldDutchChip]

Traveling and going to sleeP

talk to yaall tomorrow

[Citizen Strife]

Aww man, but I wanted to ODC to see, "What GM doesn't prioritize and build around their best player with every move in every sport ever?"

Oh well.

Edited yesterday at 07:17 PM by Citizen Strife

[mnfaninnc]

4 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

who's the help coming next year, not named Zeev (who i do believe will contribute in his first season)

I assume you have Ogz (let's be patient.  he made strides this year but he's bottom six for foreseeable future.  top 6 passenger at best near term).  I assume you've got Yurov top six from day 1 ( We'll see.  I've never seen him in pads so cannot project).  pulled rip cord on Khuz.  Jirizy is a project so hope you don't foresee him playing above 3rd pair.  Who else?

I see everything you've got here. I see Jiricek paired with Brodin and Buium paired with Spurgeon unless he's traded out.

I see OgZ and Yurov and maybe Bankier/Milne/Haight on a bottom 6 line. I don't think Heidt will be ready yet, nor Stramel. I think some guys we've got up on other lines get bumped down a line, and I think we get another unnamed top 6 player. 

That's still a good bump in talent on the roster, about 25%. I also think The Wall will be good and can take more games than Fleury did this year.

[mnfaninnc]

4 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

Even if that’s the case, then boot heinzy theN

youre underselling Ranty here my friend 

Even with the new guys, this team is built to play a 200' game. Ranty would be a square peg in that type of strategy. Think about it, most of our forwards and defenders have this common in their game. 

Ranty's superstardom was based off of MacKinnon being able to use his speed and get into the zone. I'm not saying Ranty was a passenger, but his and Mac's strengths meshed. Who on the Wild is going to do that? This is not Kaprizov's game either. 

We would be much better finding a better fit in the game we do play.

[mnfaninnc]

7 hours ago, MacGyver said:

I truly hope this is not the case. It's going down a bad road when you let the players insert themselves into approving trades who to draft etc.  Next thing they are telling you who should get how much playing time and who should be on pp1 and so on. Talk about bad locker room vibes. This is why Parise and Suter were bought out or a large part of the reason at least. They thought they ran the team. Not the coach and not the GM. 

Evidenced by Parise bringing in Adam Oates to coach the power play during practice unbeknownst to Mike Yeo. Needs to be a definite line between players and management.

I would show my best players the blueprint and get their reaction. I'm not saying he asked for his approval, I'm saying that Kaprizov saw the plan and agreed to play here with that in mind. This gave him a big picture look at the plan and prepped him to become an A.

[mnfaninnc]

5 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

that’s not true! Vegas showed that being smart, and creative and aggressive pays off. Dallas skipped over rebuild, Florida flipped a 100 pt player and changed the team structure 180 from offensive to hard nosed team. Yes it may not work for all  but  it’s a more deserving way for fans of a team who have done nothing for 25 years and is about to loose the best player in the world because of such thinking and execution - on deck another 5-10 years? Sign us up, wild fans cheered!

Keep in mind that FL had a really good team before making the M. Tkachuk trade. The next season was almost a bust but the following season was magical.

 

5 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

Both you and I know that there is no truth to that! Youth will need time and will go thru plenty of hiccups. 

Nobody is claiming that upon arrival everyone will be playing great. Of course there is an acclimation period. Results will lag, but we should be able to get into the playoffs at about 106 points and do damage. The whole year will be about playing together and getting used to each other. When FL did it, they made their noise by beating President's trophy Boston in 7 games in round 1, and then got on a roll. That can be us. 

5 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

the players changed but it’s still just like it used to be! Foligno, Harty, Spurge, MAF, Trenin - paid for who knows what - at best for past skill. Billy’s method and approach is dated and didn’t deliver results

Would you be surprised if on opening night 2025 all of these guys are there? I would be really surprised as I think some are traded off this summer. 

 

5 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

If a GM and all his scouts could not see Kaprizov for who he is (and likely still don’t) by the end of his first year at most - they are horrible at their job

To this point, would you say yes or no: Has Kaprizov improved his game since his rookie year? They knew what they had and what the potential was, but they did not know where Kaprizov's plateaus were. Said another way, they knew they had something special, but they just didn't know his limits. 

This is the same thing with the kids coming. We can see the potential but have no idea how long it will take to get us there. You cannot say in one breath the scouts should have known and in the next breath say the kids are an unknown. The scouts should know with all the players.

[Mateo3xm]

19 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

The goal should have been to bring someone on Kaprizov’s timeline and to join his line, to mesh with him and in some way protect him more than Zuccy and Rossi can. Yes it’s a big ask, but Billy had plenty of time. Jiricek is not that. He is a raw prospect and not an offensive partner for him. The true fail of Bill (again) is biting early and having really no clear plan. The picks are very substantial and combines with later blunders - you could see a package offered to canes where we walk out w Ranty. But instead we have Nyquist, Jiri and Braz and are trying to make something positive out of it. Neither will help us in the now nor has helped us to have a more convincing pitch to Kap this summer. Fail

You simply can’t get it that Rant was never going to come here no matter how much they offered him. He wanted to go to a contender and he basically had a choice where he went because he wouldn’t sign an extension if he didn’t like where he was going. You’re like a brick wall sometimes.

[RedLake]

This organization is a shitshow yet people believe lmfao! Cap penalties rah, rah, rah, blah, blah, blah. We'll get spent Nelson and another Rossi. Fuck the bandaids and rebuild, or go get a Tkachuck, Miller, Conner,etc etc. Nelson and Boser won't thread a needle. Go get Crosby and Tkachuck or something else than Nelson. One and done the next 25 years. Sell all assets now and rebuild!!!!

[RedLake]

This organization is a shitshow yet people believe lmfao! Cap penalties rah, rah, rah, blah, blah, blah. We'll get spent Nelson and another Rossi. Fuck the bandaids and rebuild, or go get a Tkachuck, Miller, Conner,etc etc. Nelson and Boser won't thread a needle. Go get Crosby and Tkachuck or something else than Nelson. One and done the next 25 years. Sell all assets now and rebuild!!!!

[RedLake]

The Ducks will pass the Wild nex̌t year along with the Yotes. 

[RedLake]

I'd trade Kaprizov, Rossi, Faber for Ehlers, Conner and a Jets Prospect. Then I'd Flip Buuim, Heidt, Haight a First and two second rounders for Brady Tcahuck and sens legit prospect.

[RedLake]

Then I'd make the Wild organization pay for unnecessary X updates. 

[RedLake]

Send NoJo, Freddy, Merril, Folingo, Lightwinds, Zuccerallo, Chistac, Guance, etc etc outta the League. Mikko Koviu takes over the head coach, Modano is new GM, Kid Rock buys the Wild and Fargo gets an expansion team.

[RedLake]

Flames within 5 again, Jets pounding the piss outta the Bettman Knights. I'd just keep Ek and Kap outta the first round against the Jets. Rest them up for the disappointing 2026 season. 

[OldDutchChip]

5 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

Even with the new guys, this team is built to play a 200' game. Ranty would be a square peg in that type of strategy. Think about it, most of our forwards and defenders have this common in their game. 

Ranty's superstardom was based off of MacKinnon being able to use his speed and get into the zone. I'm not saying Ranty was a passenger, but his and Mac's strengths meshed. Who on the Wild is going to do that? This is not Kaprizov's game either. 

We would be much better finding a better fit in the game we do play.

When a superstar is available you have to go for it and adjust to fit that player, that’s what Florida did. It would also likely better suit Rossi and Boldy game too. Yes, some like Foligno and Freddy and Ek would find themselves on the outs, but that I think we can live with.

[RedLake]

If Billy G has a plan it involves a Kaprizov trade, selling our youth for a 3 window to get past the first round.

[OldDutchChip]

9 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

Aww man, but I wanted to ODC to see, "What GM doesn't prioritize and build around their best player with every move in every sport ever?"

Oh well.

Might be smart to do that if you’re in the business of winning