Article: Ryan Hartman: The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly

[Phillip Garrett]

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[Citizen Strife]

Hartman has no more benefit of the doubt.  He has to play well to make up for the lack of discipline.

[Fezig]

For a while I thought Hartman was one of those "you hate him when he's on the other team, but love him when he's on yours" type of guys. As his tenure goes on, he's just become more of a "when does his contract end" kind of guy. 

 

[Patrick]

Add Hartman to the list of bad BG signings.  Fortunately, all of the bad contracts are middle/bottom of the lineup players. For some reason BG loves to buy high on grit. 

[RedLake]

Hartman is more effective than little Rossi this time year. 

[SkolWild73]

3rd largest cap hit of rostered players is true but he will actually be tied for 5th with Foligno when Kap and Ek get back and will be 6th next year if Rossi resigns.

[Enforceror]

I'm really on the fence with Hartman. 

Pros: Versatility, Mean (see Cons), Shooting Ability

Cons: Mean (see Pros), inconsistent, penalty magnet

I'm unsure how deep the glue runs with Hartman. He's pretty reserved in interviews but based on other things (hard chain, etc.) he seems like a pretty integral member of the team.

I don't know what to think.

 

[Protec]

Hartman got loyalty pay for his good seasons @ 1.7M. 

I have no problem with his deal or play. The Wild are short in so many ways, nobody really slots into the right places. Guys like Hartman or Foligno get equalized by little Euros who have a finesse style of hockey. 

Hartman could be a great L3 guy with Dallas, WPG, FL, CAR, type teams. For MN, we need him to be more than that and with other similar bottom six guys or finesse Euros, Hartman isn't great. 

He does get shots and can generate his own chances. I like Hartman and think MN needs to shuffle other role guys to allow #38 a chance to be with better linemates and matchups. 

That being said, Hartman is streaky and plays dirty which can be dangerous. Same time, Boldy took a brutal unforced minor the other night and cost the game too. 

[Imyourhuckleberry]

If the Wild win 4 of their final 7 games, Calgary would now need to win 7 of their final 8 AND get a point from their only loss in order to pass the Wild.

Wild schedule to close the season:

@Rangers

@Islanders

Dallas

San Jose

@Calgary

@Vancouver

Anaheim

Wild could lose 4 or more, but I'd like to think they can defeat most of the non-playoff teams remaining there, which could result in 5+ wins. 5 wins would get them to at least 98 points and guarantee entry into the playoffs. None of the teams behind the Wild can exceed 98 points and the Wild hold tiebreakers.

[Citizen Strife]

St. Louis not slowing down, so it's looking more and more like Winnipeg at this point.  I don't think the matchup really matters though.  The Wild are fighting uphill either way.

[RedLake]

The Big bad Jets ouch.

[SkolWild73]

4 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

St. Louis not slowing down, so it's looking more and more like Winnipeg at this point.  I don't think the matchup really matters though.  The Wild are fighting uphill either way.

I still am holding out hope that we get the 7th spot.  I still think we get to at least 97 points and hoping St. Louis goes 4-2 and ends with the same.  It is possible that Dallas catches Winnipeg too.  

[Willy the poor boy]

14 hours ago, Enforceror said:

I'm really on the fence with Hartman. 

Pros: Versatility, Mean (see Cons), Shooting Ability

Cons: Mean (see Pros), inconsistent, penalty magnet

I'm unsure how deep the glue runs with Hartman. He's pretty reserved in interviews but based on other things (hard chain, etc.) he seems like a pretty integral member of the team.

I don't know what to think.

 

He is integral to the team. A lot of people think he can just be replaced, but whoever would replace him would be getting the same treatment after a couple weeks on the team (rookies, maybe, excluded). The old saying 'the grass is always greener' applies to MN. fans. Every one on the team should be 30 goal scorers 30 assist guys who can hit, turn on a dime, protect others and play for 3 mill a year. I hope they keep him and he's part of the team that brings the cup home to where it belongs.

[Willy the poor boy]

1 hour ago, SkolWild73 said:

I still am holding out hope that we get the 7th spot.  I still think we get to at least 97 points and hoping St. Louis goes 4-2 and ends with the same.  It is possible that Dallas catches Winnipeg too.  

Playing for position usually bites us in the ass. No matter who we play we'll be going up against a team that will likely hand us our collective asses. I would like to play Winny though for the better time slot, even though I think we all know it's a given we'll be slotted into the late spot every time...

[Sam]

17 minutes ago, Willy the poor boy said:

Playing for position usually bites us in the ass. No matter who we play we'll be going up against a team that will likely hand us our collective asses. I would like to play Winny though for the better time slot, even though I think we all know it's a given we'll be slotted into the late spot every time...

Drink some caffeinated beverage? 🤷‍♂️

[Willy the poor boy]

55 minutes ago, Sam said:

Drink some caffeinated beverage? 🤷‍♂️

I'm all hepped up on caffeine...

Edited 6 hours ago by Willy the poor boy

[mnfaninnc]

I think we should have let Hartman walk after his contract was up, but I am more and more convinced that Shooter had a handshake deal with him and it was important that he makes good on that deal.

What I've liked about Hartman is he plays on the edge. If you piss him off completely, he could make a referee look real bad. He through the reverse check on Ehlers, he scores about 20 goals and he is an RHS. He's also not afraid of doing dirty work.

What I haven't liked about him is sometimes I see his effort needs improvement, the injury he had to his right shoulder/chest has not fully healed causing him not to be able to fully drop the gloves, his shot can just as easily score or shoot into the corner and he fumbles a lot of pucks. 

He should be a bottom 6 player, but he can elevate if needed. He can play center but really is a wing. And he's one of those guys who's pretty versatile. I loved him at $1.7m. I haven't really liked him at $4m. For me, I think he got his deal, but if I'm looking at unloading some cap, this would be one guy I'd be looking at. If Hartzy was at $3.2m, I might feel differently. 

[raithis]

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Hartman’s numbers haven’t been inherently impressive, but he is scoring more than he did during the suspension. 

Considering he wasn't scoring (or playing) at all during the suspension, that's a fairly low bar.

 

[RedLake]

18 hours ago, SkolWild73 said:

3rd largest cap hit of rostered players is true but he will actually be tied for 5th with Foligno when Kap and Ek get back and will be 6th next year if Rossi resigns.

I have a feeling Rossi and Faber are packaged for our 1c we need for Kaprizov. He Currently plays in Ottawa. Tkahuck and Kaprizov would be a win win situation. Rossi is pretty useless when the hitting heats up.

[SkolWild73]

58 minutes ago, RedLake said:

I have a feeling Rossi and Faber are packaged for our 1c we need for Kaprizov. He Currently plays in Ottawa. Tkahuck and Kaprizov would be a win win situation. Rossi is pretty useless when the hitting heats up.

I didn't know B. Tkachuk played center.

[Willy the poor boy]

1 hour ago, RedLake said:

I have a feeling Rossi and Faber are packaged for our 1c we need for Kaprizov. He Currently plays in Ottawa. Tkahuck and Kaprizov would be a win win situation. Rossi is pretty useless when the hitting heats up.

Ya, I'll agree that Rossi gets traded this summer. I'm not sure what they'll get back but it ain't Tkachuk. Apparently the negotiations aren't going well and they're miles apart is what I'm hearing.

[MacGyver]

It's very possible Rossi has just reached full saturation with hearing he's going to be traded constantly. He has now moved on to the fuck it trade me then mode. That may explain the miles apart on negotiations remark.  The only player the Wild have had any level of success in developing and all they can do is hang the trade bait sign on his neck. 🫣