Article: Minnesota's Slow Deadline Highlights A Need To Clear Cap Space

[Justin Hein]

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[Citizen Strife]

Chisholm v. Bogo is probably the major decision.  Chisholm is earmarked for a raise, but Buium coming in means there's only so many spots left.  Bogo being traded keeps him there.  But they might keep Bogo as the depth piece instead.

[Citizen Strife]

Also, I was considering dumping Hartman after his suspension.  The thing is he's been one of the more productive players since coming back.  It's a risk either way.  Buying him out just adds a bit more back on the tab.

[RedLake]

Go get Kyle Conner 

[Justin Hein]

1 hour ago, Citizen Strife said:

Chisholm v. Bogo is probably the major decision.  Chisholm is earmarked for a raise, but Buium coming in means there's only so many spots left.  Bogo being traded keeps him there.  But they might keep Bogo as the depth piece instead.

Bogo as a 7th D and Zeev + Chisholm is possible, though it creates a handedness issue. Jiricek will be a factor as well, which likely means they'll have flexibility to play whichever of Buium or Jiricek they want in Iowa. 

[Justin Hein]

57 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

Also, I was considering dumping Hartman after his suspension.  The thing is he's been one of the more productive players since coming back.  It's a risk either way.  Buying him out just adds a bit more back on the tab.

My hottest take about this team is that buying out Hartman would be insane, and trading him now would be selling low. He's on a relatively cheap contract for his production. The only way it makes sense is trading him as a piece of an upgrade, which would still not recoup his full value in my eyes. 

[Willy the poor boy]

11 minutes ago, Justin Hein said:

My hottest take about this team is that buying out Hartman would be insane, and trading him now would be selling low. He's on a relatively cheap contract for his production. The only way it makes sense is trading him as a piece of an upgrade, which would still not recoup his full value in my eyes. 

Totally agree

[Citizen Strife]

Thing is, Hartman is one really dumb move away from no man's land.  The Stutzle thing didn't paint him in a great light.  Anything close to that again screams, "is it worth the distraction anymore?"  That's probably what he's had to have drilled into him.  He screws up again, he has no more rope.

[Citizen Strife]

And a little after I post about Hartman...a Hartman article appears.  HOW DO I KEEP DOING THIS?!

[Dean]

Good article. I agree July 1 is a big deal for Billy and direction of franchise. I’m more interested in that than what they do In the playoffs . Billy is out of excuses. He’ll have to start showing what his plan is by the moves he makes this summer. Signing kappy is the lynch pin . If he doesn’t get that done then he wasted kappys prime years giving ahlers jobs . If he does sign kappy, with who and how does he surround him? Does he run back same team with another Trenin type signing this summer. IMO that’s what’s likely to happen. Carter was talking on broadcast about how the wild are walking back there x-mas in July talk due to the fact they really don’t have money . Like this article lays out.  Nanne was saying same thing. He thought any big add would be at next trade deadline.  So if Billy does something big this summer it’ll likely be a trade . Rossi is the only guy I see with high value . Hartman , moose , Fred , Trenin etc. have little to no value. So it’s hard for me to see what Billy can even do in the summer . Who on the wild have value that can get you something you need? Not many guys in my opinion. So curios what bellicose Billy does this offseason and how it lines up with all the big things he talks about . Like winning a playoff round and contending for a cup. 

[SkolWild73]

Great article Justin.  We will see what happens, but I can't imagine we will bring Merril or Chisolm back next year.  Bogo is signed and adding Jiricek and Buium would give us 7 D-men.  Lambos would be an emergency 8th defenseman. Assuming no trades or resigning's this offseason besides Rossi, would give us a line-up of Kap, Ek, Zuccy, Boldy, Rossi, Yurov, Freddy G, Hartman, Foligno, Vinny, Ohgren, Trenin and an AHL'er for your 13th spot of forwards.  D would be Faber, Spurg, Brodin, Midds, Buium, Bogo and Jiricek for the 7 d-men, and Gus and the Wall for goalie.

We have almost $22M in space next year.  Take off Rossi at $7M and the Walls $2,2M we are down to about 13.5M.  The rest of the players will be on ELC's, so around $5M for Buium, Jiricek, Ohgren, Yurov and a 13th forward.  Should have around $8-8.5M in space next year, without adding or subtracting anyone.

I thought earlier this year that Kap may sign for close to what the article states, but with Ranty only getting $12M and Draisaitl signing for $14M.  I can't see Kap getting more than $15M, but I could be wrong.

Puckpedia has us with $50M in space for 2026.  Take out $22M for Kap and Rossi, we have $28M left over.  Would have Kap, Boldy, Ek, Rossi, Hartman, Foligno, Trenin, and Freddy G under contract for 8 forwards.  Our D would be Faber, Midds, Spurg and Brodin for 4 d-men and the Wall at goalie.  Puts us at 13 players and $28M to sign 5 more forwards, 3 D-men and a goalie. Yurov will still be on an ELC, so now $27M to sign 4 more forwards.  I would hope we could do that with 2 ELC's (Stramel, Haight, Heidt) leaving us with $25M. Jiricek and Lambos can be resigned as RFA's to fill the D and probably will not cost a ton, probably no more than $4M total, unless they go off next year and Buium on an ELC, leaves us with $20M and only 2 forward spots and a goalie to fill.

I think we can find another goalie besides paying Gus over $7M.  Gus has a great save percentage, but I think that has more to do with our system than him.  He ranks pretty far down the list in high danger save pct.  If the Wall plays good next year and we can find a goalie in the $4-5M range, would leave us $15-16M to find two forwards.

 

[Dango]

1 hour ago, Dean said:

If he does sign kappy, with who and how does he surround him? 

Do you have any names  or ideas ? , most of my ideas seemed to be dead ends no thanks, but im just a casual fan and not really much of an expert on what types of players work best in which systems .    

[Citizen Strife]

I think we can find another goalie besides paying Gus over $7M

I would have thought that too, but Fleury's numbers are about 30-40th in the league, while Gus has been 10th-15th at worst all season.  I don't trust the Wall to rebound from his injuries and mental fuck ups just yet.  Paying Gus is the best option.

[SkolWild73]

9 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

I think we can find another goalie besides paying Gus over $7M

I would have thought that too, but Fleury's numbers are about 30-40th in the league, while Gus has been 10th-15th at worst all season.  I don't trust the Wall to rebound from his injuries and mental fuck ups just yet.  Paying Gus is the best option.

Yea, his save percentage is good, but his save percentage for medium danger and high danger is not even top 20, we just don’t allow a ton of them.  I think we rank 5th in allowing high danger scoring chances.  Not saying he isn’t good, but if the Wall comes in next year and does well, I think it is an option to find someone else to save some money and maybe find another scorer.  Ask me again at the end of next year.  I might change my thinking depending on what the team needs are. 

[Kato AK]

57 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

I thought earlier this year that Kap may sign for close to what the article states, but with Ranty only getting $12M and Draisaitl signing for $14M.  I can't see Kap getting more than $15M, but I could be wrong.

 

Personally, I love having Kap on the team but if he asks for more than $14M on the extension, then Bill should ask for a list of teams he would approve a trade to. His contract comps should be Rantanen, Nylander, Pasta, and Panarin. The largest AAV there is 12M, so 14M would be a premium. You can argue that Kap is better than those players, but so far they have one major ability that is better: availability.

If GMBG wants to make moves, then he is going to have to move out a couple bad/underperforming contracts, Trenin is at the top of my list.

[RedLake]

Rip it all down and rebuild. It's time to do things right after 25 years of failure.

[SkolWild73]

1 hour ago, Kato AK said:

Personally, I love having Kap on the team but if he asks for more than $14M on the extension, then Bill should ask for a list of teams he would approve a trade to. His contract comps should be Rantanen, Nylander, Pasta, and Panarin. The largest AAV there is 12M, so 14M would be a premium. You can argue that Kap is better than those players, but so far they have one major ability that is better: availability.

If GMBG wants to make moves, then he is going to have to move out a couple bad/underperforming contracts, Trenin is at the top of my list.

Yea, I am hoping he doesn’t go above 14M either.  Wanted to go on what I thought the high side would be in my projections.

[RedLake]

Injury Prone Kaprizov 14mil lmao. 9 tops!

[Lern2spell]

2 hours ago, SkolWild73 said:

if the Wall comes in next year and does well, I think it is an option to find someone else to save some money and maybe find another scorer.  Ask me again at the end of next year.  I might change my thinking depending on what the team needs are. 

The year to see what Wallstedt can do in the NHL was this year. If he isn't ready and falters early next season, the Wild will have to look at trading for another backup option, and what remains of Wallstedt's trade value plummets. That is why bringing back Fleury this year was so misaligned. Wild should look to package Wallstedt Ohgren, and Hartman (if a team isn't on his no-trade list) along with draft pick(s) for a bona fide top six forward. Sign Nelson to play on third line with Ek and Foligno, leaving a fourth line of Hinostoza, Gaudreau, and Trenin. 

[Dango]

3 hours ago, RedLake said:

Injury Prone Kaprizov 14mil lmao. 9 tops!

From an entertainment perspective hes a fun player to watch even more than most  everyone else except maybe Mcdavid and he puts up points so hell get 12-13 minimum   .     Theres very few players id rather have than Kappy to be honest .  

[OldDutchChip]

I’m with you till the last two - it’s not even the money - it’s having nyquist and braz on the team. There is no need for them - so I’d let them go.

Definitely will be trades. I think Bill will make another blunder and ship out Rossi (the wrong player to trade) for someone like Boeser (the wrong player to get).

I would dangle Boldy and Faber as both should bring premium talent back. 

if we can do Boldy for Svevhnikov and Faber for Tkachuk - that would be my preference 

Kap Rossi Tkachuk / EK Yurov Svechnikov

not too bad

[RedLake]

6 hours ago, Dango said:

From an entertainment perspective hes a fun player to watch even more than most  everyone else except maybe Mcdavid and he puts up points so hell get 12-13 minimum   .     Theres very few players id rather have than Kappy to be honest .  

I'll take Kaprizov all day but get him a Marner or Kyle Conner to play with. Hell make a trade with  Chicago and get him Bedsey.Rebuild or go all in!

[mnfaninnc]

19 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

Chisholm is earmarked for a raise,

Chisholm is not earmarked for a raise. Look at his stats and how he's been scratched lately for Merrill. He should get qualified and that's it. 

[Citizen Strife]

I'm ok with that though.  If Chisholm barely takes a raise, or leaves outright, that's money used elsewhere.  Chisholm leaving makes it easier for Jiricek to play day one.

Any money saved gets more to splurge on forward help someday.

Edited 6 hours ago by Citizen Strife

[mnfaninnc]

I really don't care about these worth algorithms for players. There is no way that Goose is worth $7m/. He is at best a $5m goalie. We don't even know if he can put together b2b years yet. 

I do think we need to ship out some salary, and for me, Hartman is on that list. My hope is he finishes the season strong and has a good playoffs. I think our commitment should be getting the team younger and hungrier. I'd also entertain trading out Spurgy for a targeted player somewhere in the '20-22 draft area. Maybe someone who has a bright future but isn't established yet. I still see Detroit as the main target here. 

At this time, I wouldn't trade Rossi, I'd make sure to qualify him and see what he finds in RFA land. If an offersheet comes his way, we can see the team and the price and make a decision then. St. Louis got away with it with Edmonton mainly because Edmonton had no cap space. We don't have that problem going into next season. 

Shooter has slow walked the kids into the lineup. That should change next season. It is their time. Let's bring them in in mass. The result of that is likely to be a rollercoaster season, but we need the vision of the new team that has a lot of speed. I like Breezers on the 4th line, but the thing is that we've got so many 4th line players were going to have to pick and choose. This sounds contradictory, but Breezers makes up for his lack of speed with bulk where he still can cover a lot of ground. 

So, on my trade block are Spurgeon, Hartman and Trenin. We don't give them away, but we look for pieces that better fit our new identity. Some are players who haven't quite established their games yet but are improving. It's not just speed and skill we need, either, but it's a complete 200' player who is skilled, yet finishes checks. Those guys are hard to find, which means we open up Judd's draft book from year's past to find out who highlighted that is still improving. Hopefully that guy has real NHL size and isn't undersized.