Article: Will the Wild Lapse Into A Sunk Cost Fallacy With Brazeau?

[Luke Sims]

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[mnfaninnc]

it's far too early to evaluate any trade deadline deal. I'll admit it doesn't look good for both of the pickups, but let's just see how they both adapt to this new system. 

[OldDutchChip]

Probably wise to just let him go after this season 

put foligno, trenin and harty on 4th line

and build up top 9 with youth, speed and skill (braz has none of which)

[M_Nels]

11 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

put foligno, trenin and harty on 4th line

If we get post-suspension Harty the rest of the season and next he still has value on a 3rd line, getting more than 8-9mins a night.

Edited 19 hours ago by M_Nels

[OldDutchChip]

9 minutes ago, M_Nels said:

If we get post-suspension Harty the rest of the season and next he still has value on a 3rd line, getting more than 8-9mins a night.

Agree 👍 

[MNCountryLife]

Brazeau is big and our roster is only 6'0''... It may be that simple for GMBG.

[SkolWild73]

1 hour ago, mnfaninnc said:

it's far too early to evaluate any trade deadline deal. I'll admit it doesn't look good for both of the pickups, but let's just see how they both adapt to this new system. 

I agree with it being too early.  Nelson and Coyle have zero goals and 3 assists combined for the Avs in 6 games so far so those would be bad trades too if we are evaluating on a few games.

 

[Will D. Ness]

Eye test is pretty bad so far for Brazo.  He looks like a fish out of water on the ice.  Trenin is kind of the same but at least Trenin is full tilt which I appreciate.  Brazo looks half speed trying not to embarrass himself, but it may actually be full speed for the stiff.

But... there has been a little improvement the last couple and some actual good shifts out there for the 4th line.  If we can get a good big heavy 4th line that can grind in the offensive zone then we are in business for the playoffs.  Points are just cherries on top IMO.

[Citizen Strife]

If the trade was just done to clear space for Yurov and free agents (and Hartman keeps playing as is), it's a small price to pay.

Mojo, Nyquist, Brazeau out, Ohgren, Yurov, and a couple FAs/call-ups in.

[hydguy75]

I thought part of the reason for picking up Khus last year was so Kap's has a Russian mate or two.  One hummingbird and one ox.  Now we have 2 oxen.  And it seems some are not even matched up to play to their strengths, whether it was Khus or Braz.  Hoping that the Khus jettison isn't an indicator not needed because Kap isn't going to be playing (here).  

 

 

[Need4speed99]

While it is soon. You make moves, as a gm, to immediately impact your team. Sadly I think brazzeau will be here next year and the Wild will STILL (FOR THE PAST 15+ YRS) be mediocre. But if any of the billy fans here want to wager on that, I'm game.

[1Brotherbill]

2 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

If the trade was just done to clear space for Yurov and free agents (and Hartman keeps playing as is), it's a small price to pay.

Mojo, Nyquist, Brazeau out, Ohgren, Yurov, and a couple FAs/call-ups in.

I doubt there will be much available in the way of FA's this summer that are much better than Braz to be honest.  Everyone has money to spend.  Other teams that have money and are closer than Minnesota is to winning a Cup will get the good FA's.

Chicago has young talent like Minnesota, a lot of expiring contracts, and almost twice as much money to spend that Minnesota has to spend. 

Winnipeg has almost twice as much money to spend as well.  They a few players to sign and could lose Ehlers.  Ehlers is going to be a top target by 20 other teams, 8 of them are in a better situation than Minnesota.  

Toronto has 2 million more to spend than Minnesota and Mitch Marner and Matthew Knies to sign.  Marner is the top FA out there and he will probably go to Pittsburgh.  Knies is a UFA and is probably going to sign with Toronto. 

The list goes on, basically everyone has money most more than Minnesota.  So the Christmas morning that Leopold said he felt like he was having might just be a bunch of boxes of coal. 

Can the team get better in Free Agency, well they can't really get worse. 

[mnhockeyfan03]

8 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

Probably wise to just let him go after this season 

put foligno, trenin and harty on 4th line

and build up top 9 with youth, speed and skill (braz has none of which)

This team will be good when that is our 4th line.  None of those guys should play above that.  B Nelson is proving he isn’t worth over 4mm and same with Boeser.  Hopefully Billy isn’t an idiot and overpay.  Also Rossi needs to be moved.  He’s not what we need.  If we can trade trade Rossi and Faber for B Tkchuck or Rossi, Faber and Ohgren for T Thompson and Tuch I do that as well.  We need some moves this summer.  

[Imyourhuckleberry]

3 hours ago, 1Brotherbill said:

Marner is the top FA out there and he will probably go to Pittsburgh.  Knies is a UFA and is probably going to sign with Toronto. 

The kid from Canada is going to go to the old declining roster for the US team and the kid from the US is going to re-sign with the Canadian team?

Interesting perspective. There are a lot of possibilities. There will be plenty of opportunity to judge Guerin after this summer.

[Imyourhuckleberry]

Interesting nugget on Jiricek putting in work while with the NHL team.

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The one thing Jiricek has acknowledged needing to improve since he was made a top-10 pick by Columbus is his skating, and he’s getting plenty of work in with Ness and the Wild staff. Jiricek noted it’s mostly the transitions from backward to forward.

“It’s just building, getting him stronger,” Ness said. “His skating posture, then his skills and his daily habits.

 

[Fezig]

One thing I'll never understand is why Khusnutdinov wasn't given a chance to play with the second and third line more often instead of NoJo. We know what NoJo brings to the table with more talented players (zero), why not see what Khusnutdinov could do?

[MNCountryLife]

11 hours ago, 1Brotherbill said:

I doubt there will be much available in the way of FA's this summer that are much better than Braz to be honest.  Everyone has money to spend.  Other teams that have money and are closer than Minnesota is to winning a Cup will get the good FA's.

Kind of lends credence to building a team through the draft.  FA pickups are more expensive.  I thought it was extremely interesting how Boston loaded up on draft picks this year. 

[OldDutchChip]

FA is going to be tough way to improve the team and NOT overpay for players we don't really need....players like Nelson and Boeser would likely cost at least 7 plus. They will also block a younger player from pushing his way through. So I am very much against (over)spending on (older) players who are not in that "star" category.

I know most of us do not like the idea, but there likely will be - trade(s). 

Hold them stones for now!

This ain't happening, but what about these off season blockbusters? Remember - to get something good, you need to offer something good in return ....  

• Faber for Nylander
• Boldy for either Marchenko or Svechnikov or that other big russian in Columbus
• Rossi, Yurov (or Zeev) and a pick for Bedard
• Trenin for Malkin (i kid)....

 

[mnfaninnc]

42 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

• Faber for Nylander
• Boldy for either Marchenko or Svechnikov or that other big russian in Columbus
• Rossi, Yurov (or Zeev) and a pick for Bedard
• Trenin for Malkin (i kid)....

 

I don't think you can do all of them. For instance, I don't think you can give up Faber and Buium. Honestly, I don't really like the choices for Boldy. I also am not much of a Bedard fan or believer. 

I think Boldy > Marchenko by a lot. Boldy and Svech are somewhat similar, but Svech seems to be out a lot. Faber for Nylander is an interesting thought and Nylander is a guy we don't have in our system. But, where I see us needing the most help is a guy who's both skilled and heavy. If I'm having to give up Boldy, there are very few players I would do it for, and these are not them. B. Tkachuk is one of them.

Also interesting, in last year's draft, Cayden Lindstrom was picked 4th by CBJ. In his comparisons, they said he played like a Tkachuk. However, Lindstrom missed considerable time in his draft year with a hand injury and then later back problems. Those back problems led to surgery in the offseason, and he has not played a game this year. This draft pick may have been too much of a risk to take at 4 (but if he's going to be ok I'd love to have him).

[mnfaninnc]

Terrible night for the Wild last night.

• Flames win
• Blues-Canucks go to OT
• Hockey Club wins (such a dumb name)

This means we must take care of business tomorrow afternoon. Sabres lost to the Hockey Club in a late game and then head to play an early game with us. Their spirit is broken and are just playing out the string. We need to jump on them early like we did Seattle.

[OldDutchChip]

3 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

I don't think you can do all of them. For instance, I don't think you can give up Faber and Buium. Honestly, I don't really like the choices for Boldy. I also am not much of a Bedard fan or believer. 

I think Boldy > Marchenko by a lot. Boldy and Svech are somewhat similar, but Svech seems to be out a lot. Faber for Nylander is an interesting thought and Nylander is a guy we don't have in our system. But, where I see us needing the most help is a guy who's both skilled and heavy. If I'm having to give up Boldy, there are very few players I would do it for, and these are not them. B. Tkachuk is one of them.

Also interesting, in last year's draft, Cayden Lindstrom was picked 4th by CBJ. In his comparisons, they said he played like a Tkachuk. However, Lindstrom missed considerable time in his draft year with a hand injury and then later back problems. Those back problems led to surgery in the offseason, and he has not played a game this year. This draft pick may have been too much of a risk to take at 4 (but if he's going to be ok I'd love to have him).

I don't think you can do all of them. oh totally not, was just throwing out options that don't screw one side over other much. 

I like Nylander  one and if TOR flames out again - will they look to beef up their D? 

Is Marchenko not skilled and heavy? Maybe he doesn't use his size much (like Boldy) but he is 6'3'' 200 pounds. 

[Pewterschmidt]

18 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

Probably wise to just let him go after this season 

put foligno, trenin and harty on 4th line

and build up top 9 with youth, speed and skill (braz has none of which)

This is probably the most likely scenario.  If this happens this needs to be added to the list of bill's moves that were poor asset management decisions.  But S&P - 500, Khuz's cyber metrics were terrible and Laukz was hurt all the time.  True, but I'd rather bet on the future of a 22 and 24 yr old who showed flashes than a 27 yr old 6'10" career AHL'r who's the worst skater on the ice by a WIDE margin.  Not quite Reevo bad, but close.  This is a case of bill outsmarting himself.  These lumbering type players with minimal skill are a dime a dozen.

[Pewterschmidt]

15 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

If the trade was just done to clear space for Yurov and free agents (and Hartman keeps playing as is), it's a small price to pay.

This roster is not so over stuffed with high end NHL talent that we need to preemptively send young prospects away just to clear space for the incoming unproven prospects.  It's just bad management.  Brazo is 27.  The world knows what he is at this point.  bill got taken again.

[mnfaninnc]

2 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

Is Marchenko not skilled and heavy? Maybe he doesn't use his size much (like Boldy) but he is 6'3'' 200 pounds. 

I have not been impressed watching games he's been in where we've played against him. He doesn't really stand out to me, whereas Boldy does have some spurts where he dominates. And, just like that, I'm thinking of the wrong guy. Kirill Marchenko of the CBJs is who you are referring to? 

 

[OldDutchChip]

2 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

This is probably the most likely scenario.  If this happens this needs to be added to the list of bill's moves that were poor asset management decisions.  But S&P - 500, Khuz's cyber metrics were terrible and Laukz was hurt all the time.  True, but I'd rather bet on the future of a 22 and 24 yr old who showed flashes than a 27 yr old 6'10" career AHL'r who's the worst skater on the ice by a WIDE margin.  Not quite Reevo bad, but close.  This is a case of bill outsmarting himself.  These lumbering type players with minimal skill are a dime a dozen.

exactly!

this year we sent out Marat, Lauko, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 6th for 

Braz, Nyquist and Jiri (who looks good but is being parked in a room) 

this is a horrible waste of assets! wouldn't the above be enough to have gotten us Ranty? We could have likely had him for Rossi and that long list of picks!