Article: Bill Guerin's Future Is Rooted In the Present

[Dango]

17 hours ago, Patrick said:

Kaprizov currently makes 9 million a year. His next contract may hit 14. That's an increase of 5 million a year. 22-5=17 million in cap space for the Wild...

Kaprizov salary is 10 million this year  7,5 millionn next year , last year he was paid 12.5  million  his 5 year contract is a 9 million cap hit  per ,  not that any of that really matters  in the big picture but if he gets 14 next year its an increase of 6.5  .  

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2 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

Dino is playing in Boston right now. and we had a player named Kaprizov who played for us. He was good. 

I know he is playing in Bos. I never said he wasn't, but when he was traded he was in the A for cap (hahaha) reasons. He was basically a figure skater with the Wild. I guess we will see if he or his agent goes sideways if he is ever sent down with Boston or whatever team he resigns with.

Your second part I don't know what you are trying to say. They were good when Kap was playing? No shit he is a star and on this team.

Or are you trying to say Dino was good?

 

[Up North Guy]

11 hours ago, MacGyver said:

Given OCL statement about no one will out bid us on Kaprizov and knowing his agent Kaprizov will come in at more than $14.  Given the fact he is not even skating yet is quite concerning. I believe it was Yanni Gourde who had the same surgery (sports hernia) and is back playing after five weeks I think. Kaprizov is showing a bit of a tendency to be a injury liability. I understand all players get injured but it is also a fact some players have more of a tendency to get hurt and recover more slowly than others. 

I don't think we will ever see the same Ek his injuries have just taken their toll. Could it be the same with Kaprizov?  

I fear you may be right.

[OldDutchChip]

25 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

Well, Colorado had McKinnon that entire time, so I would say that is a fair comparison as far as playoff success goes.

i am a bit lost in what we are trying to compare but if we are saying that MacKinnon is as vital to PO success as Kaprizov at the same point in time, taking into account his longevity and contract? then ok maybe.

but there could be other factors like (a) team make up (b) risk of him leaving (c) team success history, etc...

wild have not had a player like Kaprizov. Avs (and Nordiques) have quiet a long list of them, with Avs having won Stanley Cups even before Mac got there. So the urgency is a factor. Yes, every team wants to win, but i think the team like Wild, who has not even been to the final once in 25+ years, would take all the care it can to ensure they don't fumble Kaprizov years. 

And they have done just that - fail. I believe Mac was younger than Kap is now when he won a cup. Kap will be 28 before he'll be asked to resign this July. This is not a young buck age - this age calls for certainty that we did not create. This certainty had to out weigh the cons that were against us (like it or not, East Coast is the preferred place). So besides continuous uncertainty - what is there that'll make him want to stay?

[OldDutchChip]

35 minutes ago, punch_cut said:

I know he is playing in Bos. I never said he wasn't, but when he was traded he was in the A for cap (hahaha) reasons. He was basically a figure skater with the Wild. I guess we will see if he or his agent goes sideways if he is ever sent down with Boston or whatever team he resigns with.

Your second part I don't know what you are trying to say. They were good when Kap was playing? No shit he is a star and on this team.

Or are you trying to say Dino was good?

 

you pointed out that we were on top of the standing? yes thats because we had Kaprizov playing like the worlds best player

you said Dino maybe ends up in Russia, but i am not sure why....why would you ay that? I stated he is in Boston playing not Russia. And he played a good game with us, the numbers may not back it, but his skill is there, and may be untapped and covered by a structured defense first game he plays. But if numbers is all you look for - then yes - he is bad. 

[RedLake]

Kaprizov is gone this summer. His entire time here Billy couldn't find him a talented blue collar 1c. He played on a soft line, no wonder he's injury prone around here.

[SkolWild73]

12 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

i am a bit lost in what we are trying to compare but if we are saying that MacKinnon is as vital to PO success as Kaprizov at the same point in time, taking into account his longevity and contract? then ok maybe.

but there could be other factors like (a) team make up (b) risk of him leaving (c) team success history, etc...

wild have not had a player like Kaprizov. Avs (and Nordiques) have quiet a long list of them, with Avs having won Stanley Cups even before Mac got there. So the urgency is a factor. Yes, every team wants to win, but i think the team like Wild, who has not even been to the final once in 25+ years, would take all the care it can to ensure they don't fumble Kaprizov years. 

And they have done just that - fail. I believe Mac was younger than Kap is now when he won a cup. Kap will be 28 before he'll be asked to resign this July. This is not a young buck age - this age calls for certainty that we did not create. This certainty had to out weigh the cons that were against us (like it or not, East Coast is the preferred place). So besides continuous uncertainty - what is there that'll make him want to stay?

Yes he was younger, but was also in his 9th season.  Only thing I was pointing out is it takes teams and GM’s time to build a winner.  It doesn’t just happen overnight, no matter what the urgencies may be.  It took the Avs 8 years to get to a cup.  

Yes they had Mac signed to 7 years so not the same.  Even the oilers took time for much playoff success with McDavid.  
 

As far as whether he will stay or not, we have had that conversation before.  We don’t know if he will, just like we don’t know if there were certain moves to be made that would have changed that outcome.   
 

It does feel to me that if he does sign, we are in a position to have long lasting success, but again, time will tell.  

[OldDutchChip]

17 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

Yes he was younger, but was also in his 9th season.  Only thing I was pointing out is it takes teams and GM’s time to build a winner.  It doesn’t just happen overnight, no matter what the urgencies may be.  It took the Avs 8 years to get to a cup.  

Yes they had Mac signed to 7 years so not the same.  Even the oilers took time for much playoff success with McDavid.  
 

As far as whether he will stay or not, we have had that conversation before.  We don’t know if he will, just like we don’t know if there were certain moves to be made that would have changed that outcome.   
 

It does feel to me that if he does sign, we are in a position to have long lasting success, but again, time will tell.  

Sometimes you have a rushed deadline and you have to adjust....focusing just on us and our situation - six years of no PO success and no clear future certainty....i wanted better of Bill, i hope Leo wanted that too.

Time will tell - yes 🍻

let's beat Rangers now

[SkolWild73]

15 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

Sometimes you have a rushed deadline and you have to adjust....focusing just on us and our situation - six years of no PO success and no clear future certainty....i wanted better of Bill, i hope Leo wanted that too.

Time will tell - yes 🍻

let's beat Rangers now

Hey now, don’t foreshadow 6 years yet😀  it’s only 5.  

[punch_cut]

15 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

you pointed out that we were on top of the standing? yes thats because we had Kaprizov playing like the worlds best player

you said Dino maybe ends up in Russia, but i am not sure why....why would you ay that? I stated he is in Boston playing not Russia. And he played a good game with us, the numbers may not back it, but his skill is there, and may be untapped and covered by a structured defense first game he plays. But if numbers is all you look for - then yes - he is bad. 

Yes Dino has skill, but he was the worst forward analytically in the NHL earlier this year. A fast skater that looks good doing everything, but accomplishes nothing is not untapped. It is an AHL player.

My point about Russia is how can you explain the worst NHL player (analytically) never playing even 1 game in the AHL? Maybe his and the agents choice is NHL or KHL. I guess time will tell if Dino ends up with an NHL career or goes back to the K.

 

Yes Kirill was playing like the world's best and he is part of this team. He hasn't played since '24 (I am sure you can agree he was a shell of himself for the 3 in Jan) and the Wild are two points behind Col and ahead of Edm who have multiple 50 goal scores. This sure seems like a team that has something going right.

[OldDutchChip]

1 hour ago, punch_cut said:

Yes Dino has skill, but he was the worst forward analytically in the NHL earlier this year. A fast skater that looks good doing everything, but accomplishes nothing is not untapped. It is an AHL player.

My point about Russia is how can you explain the worst NHL player (analytically) never playing even 1 game in the AHL? Maybe his and the agents choice is NHL or KHL. I guess time will tell if Dino ends up with an NHL career or goes back to the K.

 

Yes Kirill was playing like the world's best and he is part of this team. He hasn't played since '24 (I am sure you can agree he was a shell of himself for the 3 in Jan) and the Wild are two points behind Col and ahead of Edm who have multiple 50 goal scores. This sure seems like a team that has something going right.

Yes Dino has skill, but he was the worst forward analytically in the NHL earlier this year.  A fast skater that looks good doing everything, but accomplishes nothing is not untapped. It is an AHL player.  he played with cast aways and was given a very specific role. he is gone now to boston, so be happy.

My point about Russia is how can you explain the worst NHL player (analytically) never playing even 1 game in the AHL?  Wild needed him because they had no depth or AHL players that could step in and offer what Marat offered. 

Yes Kirill was playing like the world's best and he is part of this team. He hasn't played since '24 (I am sure you can agree he was a shell of himself for the 3 in Jan) and the Wild are two points behind Col and ahead of Edm who have multiple 50 goal scores. This sure seems like a team that has something going right. trade him for brock boeser than and move on!