Article: Elias Pettersson Needs To Become Minnesota's Top Summer Target

[Mateo3xm]

7 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

Unfortunate faber is not a top 10 D player now and likely won’t be in the future - but Zeev might be - which makes Faber move much more digestible 

Faber is likely the only one that can get us out of this whole Billy dug for us

 

I see Faber as a Charlie McAvoy type of player. Can shut down opposing offense and still put up a decent amount of points. On a Stanley cup team, I think he fits better as a number two defender. Someone who can do it all but back up a true number one defenseman(hopefully Zeve Buium) This is only his second year, imagine how good he will be in his prime. He should be able to get better which is crazy.

[Mateo3xm]

5 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Bingo our D are undersized and not as good as people think and our top 6 reds need 3 new additions.  Faber is undersized and can’t clear out the front of the net and same with Spurgeon.  Could care less about time on ice.  Someone has to be out there doesn’t mean they are controlling the play. All of Rossi, Boldy, Faber, Spurgeon, Hartman, Trenin and Freddie should be moved if Billy is serious about getting close to competing with Dallas and Colorado.  Tonight just watch how much faster Colorado is then us. 

Faber is 6’1 and 200lbs.

thats not undersized you clown. He may not be the 6’2-6’3 which is the size you usually want to see in defenders but he’s not “undersized”

[OldDutchChip]

3 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

I see Faber as a Charlie McAvoy type of player. Can shut down opposing offense and still put up a decent amount of points. On a Stanley cup team, I think he fits better as a number two defender. Someone who can do it all but back up a true number one defenseman(hopefully Zeve Buium) This is only his second year, imagine how good he will be in his prime. He should be able to get better which is crazy.

i don't see him as a McAvoy type. He is a Suter like player. There is no meanness, finesse and skill to his game like with McAvoy. I know the comparison has been voiced out by media, but it has as much merit as comparing him to Makar or Josi or Hughes or Pronger. He is not that. 

[Enforceror]

15 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

Faber is 6’1 and 200lbs.

thats not undersized you clown. He may not be the 6’2-6’3 which is the size you usually want to see in defenders but he’s not “undersized”

Yeah Fabes is a solid MF'R. He may not be mean but he is taking a page from Surgys book which will prolong his career and allow him to defend with skating and intelligence while allowing him to play all those minutes WITHOUT INJURY.  He may not be a superstar but he is a legit top pairing D-man and is still young. I'd hate to see him traded, yes, even though he is one of our few trade pieces. 

[1Brotherbill]

8 hours ago, Will D. Ness said:

Swing for the fences in FA IMO.

Who exactly would you swing for the fences for.  There really is nobody out there besides Marner and a bunch of 30 plus year old players and everyone under 30 is going to be signed by their parent club.  

[1Brotherbill]

If Vancouver is considering trading Pettersson they are in rebuild mode.  Which means they would be willing to take expiring contracts and prospects in return.  

So, they would want an NHL body to replace Pettersson.  So, trading Rossi to check that box would be probable. 

They would want a prospect in return.  That would bring in Hiedt, Haight, Parker, name someone not Buium or Yurov.  That would check that box.

Now the expiring contracts. Bogosian and Zucarello are in their final years of contracts next year.  I would even consider trading Jared Spurgeon in this trade.  

Bogo should be the odd man out next year and it should be a shock if he plays at all.  Zucarello leaving would probably put Kirill in a funk until he found out that Pettersson can play.  Spurgeon needs to go, his numbers are not that good when he was healthy and now they are terrible, and his contract is the key to making this trade work. 

Minnesota gets Elias Pettersson.

Vancouver gets Rossi, Spurgeon or Zucarello and Bogo, Riley Hiedt and a pick that isn't a 1st. 

[SkolWild73]

4 hours ago, Dean said:

The wild have zero players in the top 40 in points or goals. If kap was healthy than one but he’s never healthy.  Dallas has 4 guys in top 40 in points. 4 guys!!! They have 5 guys In the top 40 in goals. .5 guys!!!! Their top 3 centers are in top 40 in goals.  Colorado -3 guys top 40 points and 2 in goals . Winnipeg 3 in points, 2 in goals ..Edmonton 2 an 2.  Vegas 1 an 1. Two different guys.  That’s crazy but the reality is the wild have a ridiculously bad goal differential for a playoff team. It’s a joke and not sustainable. They’ve actually overachieved in getting points with how bad the differential is . 
   Basically that tells me only two players on this team are untouchable kappy and ek . The rest should or could be used to upgrade if necessary. I agree with others that say Faber might need to go into a trade . It would have to be something big in return but he’s not untouchable .  What are they paying Boldy for again?  Dallas kids are in the top 40 an how long has bolds been here. Age isn’t an excuse for him anymore. 
   We don’t have centers, scoring or a big enough d core to win playoff rounds. I think everything should be on table this summer. Billy has to go big and take chances. It’s the only way you can get better . Read the hurricanes gm comments after the mikko  trade . Basically you have to take risk or you’re going nowhere.. he’s not talking about risks with bad contracts for bottom six guys. He’s talking about goi g after big game. So maybe Elias is worth the risk. Idk but Billy has to do something big. Rossi and Boldy are to far away from really being a backbone of this team. 

I might be wrong, but if you had used the top 40 stat a couple of weeks ago, I thought Boldy was in it and Rossi just outside of that.  Going into tonight, Boldy was 2 points out of top 40 at 47th, and Rossi at 53rd, 4 points back.  If I use top 53, then the Wild have three, Stars go to 5 (they did trade for two of them), Avs 3, Florida 3, Vegas 3, Oilers 2, Jets.  

As far as Boldy goes, you say age doesn't matter because he has been playing forever?  This is his 4th year.  To use your philosophy, then a bunch of the top 40 players should have been moved on from because they were sitting below or where Boldy is at now.  Below are some of them with where they ranked at the end of the season when they were 23, what season they were playing when they were 23, and where they are tanked now.

Necas: 120th, 5, 12th

Hagel, 159th, 3, 14th

Reinhart: 65th, 4, 17th

Duchene: 45th, 7, 21st

Nylander: 42nd, 5, 21st

M. Tkachuk: 55th, 5, 37th

Looking at where these guys are now it sure looks like these players got better when they got to be 25.

I will agree with everyone here that Boldy and Rossi need to do more these final weeks and the playoffs for us to have much of a chance.  But top 50 in scoring is not that bad.  Hopefully he puts it together the last month here and gets to that top 40.

 

[Pewterschmidt]

10 hours ago, Mateo3xm said:

Faber is 6’1 and 200lbs.

thats not undersized you clown. He may not be the 6’2-6’3 which is the size you usually want to see in defenders but he’s not “undersized”

Fabes is big enough to get job done physically, yet small enough to skate/pivot himself out of situations where a opposing forward is forechecking

[MNCountryLife]

16 hours ago, Tony Abbott said:

With who?, is the problem.

Great question.  Teams do not want to give up players that produce goals and points.  When you buy these players at the TDL or in FA the cost is typically high.  It brings us back to the beginning that building through the draft is the best way to build a team that is going to compete for multiple years.  That also means you must have a way to improve these players and be willing to hang onto them from 20 to 25 while they learn.  Patience is not an easy thing.

[Will D. Ness]

18 hours ago, Tony Abbott said:

With who?, is the problem.

Home run: Marner

Ground rule double: Boeser

Base hit:  Bennett

Walk:  Duchesne

Foul ball:  Tavares

I agree... pickings are slim.

[Pewterschmidt]

I'm getting Diva vibes from the rumors I'm hearing about Petterson.

And thank goodness Laine saved bill from himself.  Imagine this train wreck in the locker room.

[Protec]

9 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

I'm getting Diva vibes from the rumors I'm hearing about Petterson.

And thank goodness Laine saved bill from himself.  Imagine this train wreck in the locker room.

No more frick'n Euros period. Laine is the same injury-prone primadonna he always was. Pettersson is not the answer. Florida and Washington aren't filling their roster with skinny, drama-queen Euros. Dallas only slightly and Vegas/Edmonton, same thing. I hope GMBG looks for NA guys or players who have a serious compete level. 

Guerin certainly has an ability to begin liking random over-rated reclamation projects. That needs to become less of a thing for him but maybe seeing with lazy-eye does that to ya...

[Mateo3xm]

On 3/11/2025 at 7:50 PM, OldDutchChip said:

i don't see him as a McAvoy type. He is a Suter like player. There is no meanness, finesse and skill to his game like with McAvoy. I know the comparison has been voiced out by media, but it has as much merit as comparing him to Makar or Josi or Hughes or Pronger. He is not that. 

Faber is a fantastic skating defender and got a lot of recognition in the 4 nations tournament. He doesn’t hit as much as McAvoy, you are right about that. He uses his energy very very efficiently and that will prolong his career. McAvoy’s been injured in just about every season he’s played in.

That often happens when you have the type of playing style CM has. They are very similar in skill, size and point production. McAvoy didn’t hit over 40pts till his 4th season and Faber did it his rookie year and would have won it (Calder)had Bedard not been in the race. There’s a huge difference in McAvoy and Makar. Nobody is claiming he’s Makar but you’re kidding yourself if you think he’s not close to McAvoy.

[Mateo3xm]

5 minutes ago, Protec said:

No more frick'n Euros period. Laine is the same injury-prone primadonna he always was. Pettersson is not the answer. Florida and Washington aren't filling their roster with skinny, drama-queen Euros. Dallas only slightly and Vegas/Edmonton, same thing. I hope GMBG looks for NA guys or players who have a serious compete level. 

Guerin certainly has an ability to begin liking random over-rated reclamation projects. That needs to become less of a thing for him but maybe seeing with lazy-eye does that to ya...

I do think we need to give the edge to Canadian or American players. Some but not all euros can be soft at times. Team needs size too.

[OldDutchChip]

29 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

Faber is a fantastic skating defender and got a lot of recognition in the 4 nations tournament. He doesn’t hit as much as McAvoy, you are right about that. He uses his energy very very efficiently and that will prolong his career. McAvoy’s been injured in just about every season he’s played in.

That often happens when you have the type of playing style CM has. They are very similar in skill, size and point production. McAvoy didn’t hit over 40pts till his 4th season and Faber did it his rookie year and would have won it (Calder)had Bedard not been in the race. There’s a huge difference in McAvoy and Makar. Nobody is claiming he’s Makar but you’re kidding yourself if you think he’s not close to McAvoy.

faber is a great skater, not fantastic. fantastic skate is makar. 

he is not in the same league as McAvoy. that's a fact. you may be able to compare them via stats but not the mental and physical part of the game. 

i am happy that faber is on our team and almost won the Calder - but he is not our most important player. if he can get us out of this hell hole, then he can be our best trade bait. 

and no, he is not close to McAvoy. 

[OldDutchChip]

49 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

I do think we need to give the edge to Canadian or American players. Some but not all euros can be soft at times. Team needs size too.

oh fuck man. dude this is again very insulting. the best prospect in the world is russian (Demidov). the best player ON EARTH is russian (Kaprizov). You have a very diverse team - and you state this crap. fine have fun with team america - Brock Nelson, Brock Boeser and Brock Faber. 

[Scalptrash]

On 3/11/2025 at 5:31 PM, Dean said:

The wild have zero players in the top 40 in points or goals. If kap was healthy than one but he’s never healthy.  Dallas has 4 guys in top 40 in points. 4 guys!!! They have 5 guys In the top 40 in goals. .5 guys!!!! Their top 3 centers are in top 40 in goals.  Colorado -3 guys top 40 points and 2 in goals . Winnipeg 3 in points, 2 in goals ..Edmonton 2 an 2.  Vegas 1 an 1. Two different guys.  That’s crazy but the reality is the wild have a ridiculously bad goal differential for a playoff team. It’s a joke and not sustainable. They’ve actually overachieved in getting points with how bad the differential is . 
   Basically that tells me only two players on this team are untouchable kappy and ek . The rest should or could be used to upgrade if necessary. I agree with others that say Faber might need to go into a trade . It would have to be something big in return but he’s not untouchable .  What are they paying Boldy for again?  Dallas kids are in the top 40 an how long has bolds been here. Age isn’t an excuse for him anymore. 
   We don’t have centers, scoring or a big enough d core to win playoff rounds. I think everything should be on table this summer. Billy has to go big and take chances. It’s the only way you can get better . Read the hurricanes gm comments after the mikko  trade . Basically you have to take risk or you’re going nowhere.. he’s not talking about risks with bad contracts for bottom six guys. He’s talking about goi g after big game. So maybe Elias is worth the risk. Idk but Billy has to do something big. Rossi and Boldy are to far away from really being a backbone of this team. 

Why is Kaprizov untouchable? Because he's the best scorer? Like you said, he is very injury prone, misses about a third of every season, and it will cost the Wild more to keep him in MN (if he can be talked into it). He should've been traded for Rantanen when they had the chance. They should definitely trade him this summer. How would four new top 6 players look on the Wild roster? Not, maybe, one and a half, but four. Kaprizov has been great (when healthy), but he's too much of a liability and they will have to overpay.

[Up North Guy]

21 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

oh fuck man. dude this is again very insulting. the best prospect in the world is russian (Demidov). the best player ON EARTH is russian (Kaprizov). You have a very diverse team - and you state this crap. fine have fun with team america - Brock Nelson, Brock Boeser and Brock Faber. 

Could be that Mateo is like most Americans and does not consider Russia to be a part of Europe. In fact, only the western most part of Russia is Euro. 90% of one of the largest countries in the world is in Asia. I believe KK07 is in that category also. His province (?) is part of Siberia which is Asian.

[OldDutchChip]

53 minutes ago, Up North Guy said:

Could be that Mateo is like most Americans and does not consider Russia to be a part of Europe. In fact, only the western most part of Russia is Euro. 90% of one of the largest countries in the world is in Asia. I believe KK07 is in that category also. His province (?) is part of Siberia which is Asian.

Well we also have Ek who is a Swede, Zuccy who is from Norway....that's still Europe....

can we maybe focus on players skill and not the origin?

[Protec]

34 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

Well we also have Ek who is a Swede, Zuccy who is from Norway....that's still Europe....

can we maybe focus on players skill and not the origin?

I would say yes if all players were equal relative to when they wanna show up. There's some Swedes or Euro guys who work hard and compete but the majority are easily hurt, shy away from physical hockey, lack intensity, or decide they're not gonna show up to play, get too pretty, become frazzled when messed with, etc. 

Yes, Ek or Koivu are good examples but Gaborik or NoJo are also good examples of the opposite types of players. I'm not saying I wouldn't appreciate the Franzen, Hornquist, P.Forsberg reverse hit type Euros, just that they're the exception. Therefore don't add more.

And, yes I don't consider Russians Euros. Some can be lazy or disengaged like NA players who also get too big for their britches or become lazy but in general Euros aren't what you build your team with. Just sprinkle em in. 

[OldDutchChip]

1 hour ago, Protec said:

I would say yes if all players were equal relative to when they wanna show up. There's some Swedes or Euro guys who work hard and compete but the majority are easily hurt, shy away from physical hockey, lack intensity, or decide they're not gonna show up to play, get too pretty, become frazzled when messed with, etc. 

Yes, Ek or Koivu are good examples but Gaborik or NoJo are also good examples of the opposite types of players. I'm not saying I wouldn't appreciate the Franzen, Hornquist, P.Forsberg reverse hit type Euros, just that they're the exception. Therefore don't add more.

And, yes I don't consider Russians Euros. Some can be lazy or disengaged like NA players who also get too big for their britches or become lazy but in general Euros aren't what you build your team with. Just sprinkle em in. 

good thing that MJ and Freddy just bailed out Wild (those euro sissies). 

you have the following European players on the Wild - 

Ek, Freddy, Kap (Russia is Europe), Nyquist, Brodin, Gus, Zuccy, MJ, Rossi  - you have MJ who avoids contact but the rest give it their all no matter what size they are. 

[Pewterschmidt]

9 hours ago, Scalptrash said:

Why is Kaprizov untouchable?

Because look at what Zuc, Rossi and Boldy become without 97.  Shells of the player they are with 97 on their line.  The same way Favre turned shancoe into an all star for one season until he left Favre for giants and beville was a coveted coach until he no longer had Favre, some guys are the straw that stirs the drink.  Where was Rossi again tonight?  Answer: nowhere.  bill is dying to give this kid away and with games like this it’ll happen

[Pewterschmidt]

3 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

Well we also have Ek who is a Swede, Zuccy who is from Norway....that's still Europe....

can we maybe focus on players skill and not the origin?

I think protec’s referring to the more physical North South NA (mainly Canada) game vs the euro (see: NoJo) game. Yes there are Russians and even Swedes who play physical game, but there are only few exceptions

Edited March 14 by Pewterschmidt

[OldDutchChip]

9 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

I think protec’s referring to the more physical North South NA (mainly Canada) game vs the euro (see: NoJo) game. Yes there are Russians and even Swedes who play physical game, but there are only few exceptions

Darius would like a word. 

[Pewterschmidt]

3 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

Darius would like a word. 

Correction: IMO nearly all Russians play a physical NA game.  Swedes not so much.  Maybe 50% play a NA game.

I got no business with Darius.