Article: Elias Pettersson Needs To Become Minnesota's Top Summer Target

[OldDutchChip]

55 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

Correction: IMO nearly all Russians play a physical NA game.  Swedes not so much.  Maybe 50% play a NA game.

I got no business with Darius.  

🍻 russians have their lazies and weak players too, as do all. as it seems like all the countries are adapting to a more one dimensional NA style of play. old soviet teams offered a nice contrast to NA north-south play, as did others, so there was variance in the hockey was played. too bad now its basically dump and chase on repeat.

i think MJ is of the soviet mold - he is without a doubt our best puck carrier into the O zone. yes, issues arise once he is there, but that doesn't negate his skill to GET there haha

so maybe he can transfer his skill to some of the O players so that we use it some times? to throw a curve ball to other team - hey you expected us to dump and chase? nope we are hanging on to the puck!

 

[TheGoosesAreLooses]

On 3/11/2025 at 11:31 AM, OldDutchChip said:

Unfortunate faber is not a top 10 D player now and likely won’t be in the future - but Zeev might be - which makes Faber move much more digestible 

Faber is likely the only one that can get us out of this whole Billy dug for us

 

Faber is 22. No he's not a top 10 Dman now but he likely will be. Throwing him away because we have Zeev coming is dumb. Those two and Jiricek could give us one of the most solid D-cores for the next decade. To trade Faber away for Brady T, who has less points than Rossi + more to dislodge him from Ottawa is a net negative. 

[OldDutchChip]

3 hours ago, TheGoosesAreLooses said:

Faber is 22. No he's not a top 10 Dman now but he likely will be. Throwing him away because we have Zeev coming is dumb. Those two and Jiricek could give us one of the most solid D-cores for the next decade. To trade Faber away for Brady T, who has less points than Rossi + more to dislodge him from Ottawa is a net negative. 

i envy your gift of foresight goose, good for Faber if he becomes a top 10 D. maybe by TOI stats - then yes he is top 10. 

Maybe sometimes try to focus on the full content of the post and not pick out keywords and rush to defend the sacred cow (faber and rossi). 

If you are attempting to compare Tkachuk's impact to Rossi using stats only, then i'm done here. But I thought we already were? yet you keep coming with this nonsense!

later! 🍻

 

Edited March 14 by OldDutchChip

[Mateo3xm]

On 3/12/2025 at 8:59 PM, OldDutchChip said:

oh fuck man. dude this is again very insulting. the best prospect in the world is russian (Demidov). the best player ON EARTH is russian (Kaprizov). You have a very diverse team - and you state this crap. fine have fun with team america - Brock Nelson, Brock Boeser and Brock Faber. 

Go smoke a dart and have another beer. You’re getting tender and misconstruing what I’m saying. I’m talking about Sweden and Finland mostly. I don’t include Russians because they, in my opinion, are some of the toughest people in the world. Go look up how many Canadian players are on each of the last Stanley Cup winning teams, it’s a lot. Mcdavid and maybe a couple others are in a tier above Kap and I’m a huge fan of Kaprizov. The vast majority of the hockey world would agree with that. You’re looking for something to criticize and I think it’s ridiculous.

[Mateo3xm]

On 3/13/2025 at 11:06 PM, Pewterschmidt said:

Because look at what Zuc, Rossi and Boldy become without 97.  Shells of the player they are with 97 on their line.  The same way Favre turned shancoe into an all star for one season until he left Favre for giants and beville was a coveted coach until he no longer had Favre, some guys are the straw that stirs the drink.  Where was Rossi again tonight?  Answer: nowhere.  bill is dying to give this kid away and with games like this it’ll happen

It’s his second year. Give the guy a break. He was actually was doing fantastic after Kap got hurt. Players production goes up and down and this just happens to be a low point for him. You can’t just zero in on the bad things and make no mention of the good he’s done while Kap has been gone or you expose yourself as being biased against the guy. He’s exceeded expectations overall for a 2nd year player. The whole team hasn’t been playing great lately.

[Pewterschmidt]

19 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

It’s his second year. Give the guy a break. He was actually was doing fantastic after Kap got hurt. Players production goes up and down and this just happens to be a low point for him. You can’t just zero in on the bad things and make no mention of the good he’s done while Kap has been gone or you expose yourself as being biased against the guy. He’s exceeded expectations overall for a 2nd year player. The whole team hasn’t been playing great lately.

I’m a Rossi fan

 the fact that he can go invisible for games at a time is a problem.  I’m not saying we put him on waivers.  I am saying it’s concerning.  And this isn’t even playoff hockey.  Rossi’s future with the team will get more clear based on how he performs during big boy hockey.  But P-crappie he’s done well this year.  While I agree with that, if you haven’t noticed bill is running out of patience AND runway to land this plane

Edited March 15 by Pewterschmidt

[Pewterschmidt]

2 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

I’m a Rossi fan

 the fact that he can go invisible for games at a time is a problem.  I’m not saying we put him on waivers.  I am saying it’s concerning.  And this isn’t even playoff hockey.  Rossi’s future with the team will get more clear based on how he performs during big boy hockey.  But P-crappie he’s done well this year.  While I agree with that, if you haven’t noticed bill is running out of patience AND runway to land this plane

I’m not calling for a Rossi trade.  I’m just handicapping the probability.. and it’ll increase if Rossi no shows the rest of the way

[OldDutchChip]

2 hours ago, Mateo3xm said:

Go smoke a dart and have another beer. You’re getting tender and misconstruing what I’m saying. I’m talking about Sweden and Finland mostly. I don’t include Russians because they, in my opinion, are some of the toughest people in the world. Go look up how many Canadian players are on each of the last Stanley Cup winning teams, it’s a lot. Mcdavid and maybe a couple others are in a tier above Kap and I’m a huge fan of Kaprizov. The vast majority of the hockey world would agree with that. You’re looking for something to criticize and I think it’s ridiculous.

when you say Euros, i think that means entire Euro, no? and Russia falls under that category, so next time be more specific as to what region you want to offend.

why would i look up the % of Canadians and Americans (NHL does employ majority North American players which is logical as they play in North America)? does a country with highest % of players mean superior skill? 

You’re looking for something to criticize and I think it’s ridiculous. criticizing your racist comment? i think i was right to do that. 

Lastly - stop diminishing Kaprizov - he is in the top tier along with any other North American idol you want to throw in there.

[Protec]

Based on the recent loss to STL where Kyrou, Schenn, and Neighbours scored five to MN's one Middstrom goal, it tells me more NA players is a good thing. Becoming a group of diminutive and meek Euros in the NHL does not compute. 

Kasparitis or Konstantinov were not Euros nor is Ovechkin in terms of the negative connotation I'm espousing. A Euro is not Bobby Holik or Dominik Hasek who were Czechs. It specifically refers to soft, lazy, players who need Olympic ice or international tournaments to shine. When refs put the whistle away and the going gets tough, they shrink. 

Who played for the 4-Nations title? North Americans. We should all admit the winning Cup teams have a theme. It's never once been soft, inconsistent Euros. One Hedman, or a couple depth Finns is okay to reach the ultimate goal but MN is over-saturated in Swedes and Scandinavians. They might have the best Austrian NHL'r ever but they can't beat a beleaguered Blues team. 

I've been called a conspiracy theorist but the truth is I'm a pattern recognitionist. MN needs another off-season to correct their misgivings and get puck-carriers and playmakers who can battle and overcome. Period. There's literally zero precedent for deep playoff runs with the kind of roster MN has today. It's nothing personal, I've played with Euros and they don't get a stereotype for no reason. 

[Scalptrash]

On 3/13/2025 at 11:06 PM, Pewterschmidt said:

Because look at what Zuc, Rossi and Boldy become without 97.  Shells of the player they are with 97 on their line.  The same way Favre turned shancoe into an all star for one season until he left Favre for giants and beville was a coveted coach until he no longer had Favre, some guys are the straw that stirs the drink.  Where was Rossi again tonight?  Answer: nowhere.  bill is dying to give this kid away and with games like this it’ll happen

You've summed up the MO for this team perfectly. You're saying they all depend on Kaprizov to be successful. That's about the best recipe for disaster I've ever seen. These are professional hockey players whose performance should be relatively consistent every year no matter who they are playing with. This is exactly their biggest problem, everything revolves around one player and they have almost zero depth. Other than the recent Blackhawks, I don't think I've seen a team more desperate for a complete gutting and rebuild. Why is Leipold's goal every year just to make the playoffs? Because it's all the fans require. Stuck in indefinite mediocrity, while Leipold fills his pockets.

Minnesotans' only care about familiar names, not winning it all, and the ownership knows it.

[Protec]

3 hours ago, Scalptrash said:

 Other than the recent Blackhawks, I don't think I've seen a team more desperate for a complete gutting and rebuild. Why is Leipold's goal every year just to make the playoffs? Because it's all the fans require. Stuck in indefinite mediocrity, while Leipold fills his pockets.

Minnesotans' only care about familiar names, not winning it all, and the ownership knows it.

I think you have some very valid points about the Wild's reliance on Kaprizov, Ek, Brodin, Spurge, Foligno, Hartman, Faber, Zuccarello, Gus/Fleury, Middstrom, etc. Almost like their whole group needs to ve healthy and productive for the team ti be at its best. 😉

I'm being a wise guy cause I don't believe the Wild need a full-gutting. They need some tweaks and to recover their ability to spend to the cap. At that point, there's no reason they can't be a top team in the league again. Sure we'd like to see more assertive Boldy or more consistent Rossi but it's the NHL. Teams are good and goalies are big. The Wild can overcome with small gains. I'd rather they don't start over. The core and foundation for a better playoff outcome is established. They're gonna be good again when healthy. Trades for more finesse guys is what the Wild should avoid ESPECIALLY if they're disgruntlers or divas. 

Edited March 18 by Protec

[OldDutchChip]

22 hours ago, Protec said:

Based on the recent loss to STL where Kyrou, Schenn, and Neighbours scored five to MN's one Middstrom goal, it tells me more NA players is a good thing. Becoming a group of diminutive and meek Euros in the NHL does not compute. 

Kasparitis or Konstantinov were not Euros nor is Ovechkin in terms of the negative connotation I'm espousing. A Euro is not Bobby Holik or Dominik Hasek who were Czechs. It specifically refers to soft, lazy, players who need Olympic ice or international tournaments to shine. When refs put the whistle away and the going gets tough, they shrink. 

Who played for the 4-Nations title? North Americans. We should all admit the winning Cup teams have a theme. It's never once been soft, inconsistent Euros. One Hedman, or a couple depth Finns is okay to reach the ultimate goal but MN is over-saturated in Swedes and Scandinavians. They might have the best Austrian NHL'r ever but they can't beat a beleaguered Blues team. 

I've been called a conspiracy theorist but the truth is I'm a pattern recognitionist. MN needs another off-season to correct their misgivings and get puck-carriers and playmakers who can battle and overcome. Period. There's literally zero precedent for deep playoff runs with the kind of roster MN has today. It's nothing personal, I've played with Euros and they don't get a stereotype for no reason. Spurgeon, 

whatever dude, keep insulting who ever you want to insult but Euro=European and it includes Russians, Germans, Czechs, and many others.

if you mean soft then say soft - otherwise saying Euros .... is a bit offensive, no?

 

[Protec]

1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

whatever dude, keep insulting who ever you want to insult but Euro=European and it includes Russians, Germans, Czechs, and many others.

if you mean soft then say soft - otherwise saying Euros .... is a bit offensive, no?

 

Yes to poke fun at the types. There are many who never adapt to a North American game. Flashes perhaps or seasons, but the jest is no different from a cement-head, stone-hands Canadian from Calgary. I knew one named the "Hammer". He'd refer to himself in the 3rd-person and say things like, "The Hammer's not very happy right now." Or, "The Hammer's gonna kill somebody." Then the puck comes to him and he's got a chance to shoot but he's distracted trying to run somebody. 

Anyways, I can lighten-up on the Euros but ya gotta admit there's not many M. Sundins, Franzen, Jokinen, Selaane, Kopitar, Barkov, types overall. Over the years, yes lots of great Euro players but my biggest point is that MN doesn't need more finesse or foreign influence. I think MN needs more battle and compete in their group. Guys who are faster and with greater scoring touch. 

I think that's realistic. The prospects and cap relief is great because MN doesn't even suck. It's looking good to me. If Bogo and Merrill are let to walk, Buium and JCek have that chance to fill in with Chisholm also holding a nice position so Buium could be a top AHL guy to start. 

If NoJo is gone and other depth moves can be made, the Wild have a handful of forward hopefuls who will smell blood in the water. Players like Fred or Trenin and guys like Shore, Brazo, and Hinnistroza will be on the radar but Yurov, Ogie, Haight, Heidt, look good. 

Finally if the Wild add one nice player or trade to get two good guys, that's gonna put them in a really good spot. I just don't think a Kaako, Petterson, Peterka, Chytil, Laine, type player is what MN should get. I've said it since many years ago. You want a Tom Wilson, Sam Bennett, Corey Perry type player who can play the NA game and score. Brandon Shaw type grinders who chip in. Phil Kessel type clutch scorers or Tarasenko power forwards with skill for ~4M or less. 

I like Guerin's opportunity, I think the Wild can take a bigger step to improve this coming off-season. 

[OldDutchChip]

2 hours ago, Protec said:

Yes to poke fun at the types. There are many who never adapt to a North American game. Flashes perhaps or seasons, but the jest is no different from a cement-head, stone-hands Canadian from Calgary. I knew one named the "Hammer". He'd refer to himself in the 3rd-person and say things like, "The Hammer's not very happy right now." Or, "The Hammer's gonna kill somebody." Then the puck comes to him and he's got a chance to shoot but he's distracted trying to run somebody. 

Anyways, I can lighten-up on the Euros but ya gotta admit there's not many M. Sundins, Franzen, Jokinen, Selaane, Kopitar, Barkov, types overall. Over the years, yes lots of great Euro players but my biggest point is that MN doesn't need more finesse or foreign influence. I think MN needs more battle and compete in their group. Guys who are faster and with greater scoring touch. 

I think that's realistic. The prospects and cap relief is great because MN doesn't even suck. It's looking good to me. If Bogo and Merrill are let to walk, Buium and JCek have that chance to fill in with Chisholm also holding a nice position so Buium could be a top AHL guy to start. 

If NoJo is gone and other depth moves can be made, the Wild have a handful of forward hopefuls who will smell blood in the water. Players like Fred or Trenin and guys like Shore, Brazo, and Hinnistroza will be on the radar but Yurov, Ogie, Haight, Heidt, look good. 

Finally if the Wild add one nice player or trade to get two good guys, that's gonna put them in a really good spot. I just don't think a Kaako, Petterson, Peterka, Chytil, Laine, type player is what MN should get. I've said it since many years ago. You want a Tom Wilson, Sam Bennett, Corey Perry type player who can play the NA game and score. Brandon Shaw type grinders who chip in. Phil Kessel type clutch scorers or Tarasenko power forwards with skill for ~4M or less. 

I like Guerin's opportunity, I think the Wild can take a bigger step to improve this coming off-season. 

There are many who never adapt to a North American game. has the game became so one dimensional where we have to solely play a dump and chase / North American style game? i guess that's a yes -- that is probably taught all through jr development - to become successful and to be in the NHL - you must be good at this style....but i wonder if there is some puck control game that can take the league by storm? sort of a side musing haha

Anyways, I can lighten-up on the Euros 🍻 

......but ya gotta admit there's not many M. Sundins, Franzen, Jokinen, Selaane, Kopitar, Barkov, types overall. Over the years, yes lots of great Euro players but my biggest point is that MN doesn't need more finesse or foreign influence. I think MN needs more battle and compete in their group. Guys who are faster and with greater scoring touch. i get what you're saying. to me it seems like wild are still behind majority of the teams in terms of knowing how to successfully inject that physical aspect. We have a ton of borderline useless players that occupy our bottom 6 that fit your North American criteria....i'd argue  we instead need physically imposing-high skilled player from ANY region of the world on the top line. Yes, US is the leading "producer" of those kind of players (but that doesn't mean other players are weak - after Mojo is gone - you do know that the next softest player is our very own figure skater Matty Boldy? North American born too!) 

I am getting off topic ! but essentially - we won't join the elite group of teams if all we are doing is fulfilling a criteria that calls for physically dominating NA born players - we have been doing that. but we been doing it incorrectly - focusing on bottom 6 forwards. Deslaurier - Reaves - Foligno- Brazeau - Maroon - Trenin - Konopka. The list can go on and on and include majority of North America players - yes it was partially dictated by situation but not fully.  So i do agree with your point about the physicality but have a very specific area of focus. The change must come in the top 6. Our top 6 is likely the SOFTESS top 6 in the league. That has to change. I don't care if it's MN born or Europe or Paraguay but there has to be a change.