Need4speed99 Verified Member Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 On 3/14/2025 at 9:02 AM, Imyourhuckleberry said: That plan was not started day 1. There was an assessment period after Guerin was at the helm. The team has won at a 102-point pace per 82 games since he replaced the coach that was in place when he took over as GM. The 5 year plan was started after the buy-outs. When healthy, the Wild were leading the league in points in December. Are the Capitals or Winnipeg contenders right now? Are the Oilers or Avalanche contenders if you put Mackinnon or McDavid on LTIR? The Wild are almost certainly a playoff team this season despite missing their best player for half of the year. Not only that, they are likely to be better as early as next season, and probably even better the year after that. Show me another playoff team in the NHL that is missing more than 10% of their cap space due to buyouts, or that have more than $14M combined tied up in 2 players who are bottom line players--that's the situation Guerin walked into. I questioned the buyouts when they happened. I questioned a lot of moves he made, but the Wild now have a prospect pool with a handful of players likely to be impact NHLers, with a couple of possible star players, and have never gathered up standings points as consistently as they have since Guerin took over. If they can enter the playoffs healthy for once this season, which they haven't done the last few years, it would be a lot better way to evaluate them. many aren't incredibly excited about the team today, it's the team next season that could be the start of something special after they get Kaprizov extended and get Yurov signed. Jiricek and Buium starting their careers and Ohgren hopefully taking a step forward along with adding a top 6 player via free agency to replace Johansson. The Wild aren't that far away now, so I wouldn't give up on the 5 year plan that is a few years into the execution of it. So when did the wild become contenders? The other teams you mentioned are. What does this team have to offer to run deep? Ahh yes liepold, tell us how these aging vets will elevate the team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Need4speed99 Verified Member Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) On 3/16/2025 at 8:46 PM, 1Brotherbill said: Solid was when everyone was healthy and a top 3 team in the league. They had a Hart trophy candidate, a Vezina candidate and a President Trophy team. The previous GM's traded away picks for rentals that never signed. Signed home town heroes for large salaries that were never going to work. I don't see that with this GM. He has signed what he could with what he had. It might look like a crutch and it may be, but the optics is this team will get better with the people he has drafted and traded for. This offseason will be the test however, they have money to spend but so does everyone else in the league. Overspending on something like a Brock Boeser will instantly change my view of this guy. So when do we we see these people? He's hell bent in vets. You guys really make my argument for me. Edited March 19 by Need4speed99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imyourhuckleberry Verified Member Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 53 minutes ago, Need4speed99 said: So when did the wild become contenders? The other teams you mentioned are. What does this team have to offer to run deep? Are the Oilers contenders without McDavid & Draisaitl? Are the Capitals contenders without Ovechkin & Tom Wilson? Are the Avalanche contenders without MacKinnon and Makar? Are the Jets contenders without Hellebuyck & Conner? Are the Panthers contenders without Barkov & Tkachuk? The Wild without just Kaprizov are down more than $23M in talent compared to most teams. When you add Brodin and JEE to that, you're looking at roughly $35M. Which team in the league can you subtract more than $28M from their payroll in salaries, all players exceeding $5M, and they would still look like a contender? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Brotherbill Verified Member Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 23 hours ago, Need4speed99 said: So when do we we see these people? He's hell bent in vets. You guys really make my argument for me. Are you all right? Did you have a stroke because of my comments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Need4speed99 Verified Member Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 6 minutes ago, 1Brotherbill said: Are you all right? Did you have a stroke because of my comments? Im fine, not so sure about you... what has changed. If not by say over the last 25 yrs? Edited March 20 by Need4speed99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Need4speed99 Verified Member Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 22 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said: Are the Oilers contenders without McDavid & Draisaitl? Are the Capitals contenders without Ovechkin & Tom Wilson? Are the Avalanche contenders without MacKinnon and Makar? Are the Jets contenders without Hellebuyck & Conner? Are the Panthers contenders without Barkov & Tkachuk? The Wild without just Kaprizov are down more than $23M in talent compared to most teams. When you add Brodin and JEE to that, you're looking at roughly $35M. Which team in the league can you subtract more than $28M from their payroll in salaries, all players exceeding $5M, and they would still look like a contender? And then the playoffs hit... those guys show up. The rest of the league shuts down our top line and viola, no scoring. They do it because that's all they need. When have they Made a serious run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imyourhuckleberry Verified Member Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 5 minutes ago, Need4speed99 said: The rest of the league shuts down our top line and viola, no scoring. They do it because that's all they need. When have they Made a serious run? Not recently, but they haven't been healthy either. They faced a top 5 team, minus the Wild's top center, the last time they entered the playoffs. They also had a different head coach and Kaprizov was less than 100% as well. When have the Wild not been burdened by contracts for Suter and Parise since Guerin and Kaprizov joined the team? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Need4speed99 Verified Member Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 21 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said: Not recently, but they haven't been healthy either. They faced a top 5 team, minus the Wild's top center, the last time they entered the playoffs. They also had a different head coach and Kaprizov was less than 100% as well. When have the Wild not been burdened by contracts for Suter and Parise since Guerin and Kaprizov joined the team? And for the money put into lower 6 guys we could have a boeser and another name or 2 then let the kids play... but hey the current MO has gotten us out of the 1sy round how many times exactly.... Maybe a new approach is needed. Overpaying aging vets isn't working out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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