Imyourhuckleberry Verified Member Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 4 hours ago, OldDutchChip said: FL goes out and gets what they need in Seth Jones and park Tkachuk till PO. They have their eyes on the prize - the cup. Is Seth Jones really good or just highly paid? Florida gave up a strong young goalie because because they are in win now mode. They weren't making deals like this when Ekblad and Barkov were 23 years old because they understood their best window for contention was a few years away at that time. The Wild are good, but they don't have the optimal cap situation to compete for a title this season. Things could be different in a year or 2. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkolWild73 Verified Member Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 20 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said: Is Seth Jones really good or just highly paid? I was wondering the same. He is 30 and signed for 5 more seasons after this year. He plays tons of minutes, but he is a minus 133 player in his career. Granted, it has been with some bad teams so will be interesting to see how he does on a good team when he is not the top D. Probably a pretty good second line D-Man though which is what they needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDutchChip Verified Member Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 26 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said: Is Seth Jones really good or just highly paid? Florida gave up a strong young goalie because because they are in win now mode. They weren't making deals like this when Ekblad and Barkov were 23 years old because they understood their best window for contention was a few years away at that time. The Wild are good, but they don't have the optimal cap situation to compete for a title this season. Things could be different in a year or 2. Not every situation can be compared using the same model, nor will success be guaranteed if we follow the most successful model out there. Kaprizov is the best player in NHL. To have zero PO round victories after 5 years is plain horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imyourhuckleberry Verified Member Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 23 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said: Kaprizov is the best player in NHL. To have zero PO round victories after 5 years is plain horrible. That's certainly debatable. Outside of Wild fans, I'm not sure anyone is saying that Kaprizov is the #1 player in the world. MacKinnon would be in contention and he wasn't part of a team that advanced in the playoffs over his first 5 seasons. The Wild even knocked them out one of those years. Also, McDavid hasn't had a season below a 100 point pace since he was a teenager. He's only eclipsed 150 points once, but he's played above a 120 point pace per 82 games in each of the last 6 seasons prior to this one. Kaprizov is in year 5, so we also don't know yet that he will not have advanced in the postseason within his first 5 seasons until round 2 begins in 2025. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDutchChip Verified Member Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said: That's certainly debatable. Outside of Wild fans, I'm not sure anyone is saying that Kaprizov is the #1 player in the world. MacKinnon would be in contention and he wasn't part of a team that advanced in the playoffs over his first 5 seasons. The Wild even knocked them out one of those years. Also, McDavid hasn't had a season below a 100 point pace since he was a teenager. He's only eclipsed 150 points once, but he's played above a 120 point pace per 82 games in each of the last 6 seasons prior to this one. Kaprizov is in year 5, so we also don't know yet that he will not have advanced in the postseason within his first 5 seasons until round 2 begins in 2025. MacKinnon played with Ranty and has enjoyed playing with Makar, Nichushkin, Toews, Landy, Kadri, etc. and McDavid played with Draisaitl. None on the wild are remotely close to Ranty or Draisaitl. And it does help when superstars play with one another. This year, Kap was THE front runner for MVP. Without Draisaitl and Ranty on his side. On top of that he was playing better all around game then the other two. So to me he is the best player. All three are amazing, but sorry Kap does not have/had the same type of a supporting cast as the other two. and again - to draw out his timeline comparable to other players is good but it fails to take in consideration the reality. we do not have 10 years to show kaprizov what type of team we might be building. if he is not happy after this year - he won't sign this july and he is gone. and i bet he won't be happy to yet again bail out of the first round (hopefully in one piece as oppose to other seasons) that's the reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Strife Verified Member Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago Necas played like a world beater for a month and he fell off too. Streakiness happens. I don't put much stock in Kap's early run as a full season's worth. We know he is great, but best forward or best player is a stretch. Is he the best player the Wild has had? Sure, but he needs 1-2 more seasons like that before I even have him anywhere in the conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDutchChip Verified Member Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 47 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said: Necas played like a world beater for a month and he fell off too. Streakiness happens. I don't put much stock in Kap's early run as a full season's worth. We know he is great, but best forward or best player is a stretch. Is he the best player the Wild has had? Sure, but he needs 1-2 more seasons like that before I even have him anywhere in the conversation. This is the dumbest take to date. It may actually trump all of Freddy's comments. To use Necas for Kap's comparison and to suggest streakiness for Kap being on top......and to say that you don't put too much stock in Kap's early run? da fuck.....whatever....but it explains your near indifference to him as a player. 1-2 more season to make some delusional wild fan happy. HAHAHA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Strife Verified Member Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago Sorry that when living in a world with MacKinnon, McDavid, and Draisatl in it, you'd put Kap over it. I said, "best player in Wild history" like that wasn't enough for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDutchChip Verified Member Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said: Sorry that when living in a world with MacKinnon, McDavid, and Draisatl in it, you'd put Kap over it. I said, "best player in Wild history" like that wasn't enough for you. are we sure he is better than charlie coyle and wes walz? let's just play it safe and wait another 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnt Toast Verified Member Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 8 hours ago, Dean said: Columbus blue jackets have so much cap space They have $70 million in cap space right now at the TD. Kinda numbs my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLake Verified Member Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 2 hours ago, Burnt Toast said: They have $70 million in cap space right now at the TD. Kinda numbs my mind. Kaprizov to Columbus for young,grit, hands, feet and shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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