Article: Wild's Faber, Boldy Lose In Heartbreaking Fashion At 4 Nations

[FredJohnson]

1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

why would Kap stay?

Where's he going to go that's better? The teams that can afford him suck. I suppose a team can dump salary but that makes them worse. 
Your doom trolling suxxx.

[SkolWild73]

14 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

ODC you get it.  No one else sees what’s going to happen when Kap walks.  This team is going to be stuck in mediocrity forever.  No vision at all.  Faber, Boldy and Rossi are our chips on getting what this team needs.  I guess MN fans are just fine being a playoff team.  I am not one of them and want to go for a cup.  Kap is not getting younger and we have a window for the next 3-4 years in Kaps prime if he stays.  Our whole fan base overvalues our players.  Look we just claimed a guy off waivers who is better than half our team and better than a $4mm a year player in Hartman who should never wear our jersey again.  Think big.  Watch Colorado they are t done making trades this year as they are going for it every year.  Be a creative GM.  

We all get is just fine.  Just because we don’t come on here and piss and moan about every thing the Wild have or have not done or talk about fantasy trades doesn’t mean we don’t get it or don’t care.

Most of us look at it different.  At least for me, complaining about everything isn’t going to change the make up of the team.  If Kap walks, we will all still be Wild fans.  Only he knows what he is going to do.  
 

for me, I would rather spend my time enjoying what this team is, 4th best start in history, a star player for now, a great young core and a great prospect class coming in. Complaining about everything and worrying about stuff out of our control isn’t going to change a damn thing. 

[FredJohnson]

3 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

imagine an Edmonton fan fretting so much over Nurse or Ekholm and Nugent Hopkins while not giving a care about Connor McDavid.....

imagine a Colorado fan fretting so much over Toews and Lahkenen while not giving a care about Nathan McKinnon.....

imagine a Wild fan fretting so much over Faber and Boldy while not giving a care about Kirill Kaprizov

Only 1 of 3 statements is true. 

Imagine an Edmonton fan pi$$ing 1/10th as much about losing McDavid as you do about Kaprisov. I wonder how they kept him through all of their struggles.

[mnhockeyfan03]

8 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

We all get is just fine.  Just because we don’t come on here and piss and moan about every thing the Wild have or have not done or talk about fantasy trades doesn’t mean we don’t get it or don’t care.

Most of us look at it different.  At least for me, complaining about everything isn’t going to change the make up of the team.  If Kap walks, we will all still be Wild fans.  Only he knows what he is going to do.  
 

for me, I would rather spend my time enjoying what this team is, 4th best start in history, a star player for now, a great young core and a great prospect class coming in. Complaining about everything and worrying about stuff out of our control isn’t going to change a damn thing. 

I guess you and I are just different then.  I can’t stand mediocrity like all MN teams are.  Fans need to demand more and not just be happy to be a fan.  

[SkolWild73]

1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

when he is a number 2 or below on a list of priority - that is saying the same thing. we can talk about when time comes is reserved for everyone BUT him. his time is ALL THE TIME. 

are the Wild thinking about that? what has the team done for Kap? besides NOT giving him a single elite Center in his 5 years? (rossi, ek and harty.....yikes)

making him limp out pretty much every year without anyone to deter these beating? nope no need to get him help, he is FINE with zuccy! can we get a bigger, more physical player to help him? nope, zuccy and rossi will be fine - the duo that surely puts fear in opponents!

to let it play out like everything is going fine and just focus on development of Boldy, Faber, Rossi, Zeev, Yurov, Wally and many other prospects is delusional thinking. 

why would Kap stay? when was the last time someone written an article about KAPRIZOV? you think he doesn't read? all he sees is Boldy, Rossi and Faber praise. or their worth and projected money saving or comparison using fancy stats model to predict them being superstars.....wait don't we already have one? ah him - he is fine! 

If i'm him - i'm not seeing the buy in, trying to maximize his impact on his timeline, and that understanding of true worth. I've said it today already - but Colorado and Edmonton know exactly what they have in McKinnon and McDavid. I don't think MN does. 

I guess I can’t get you to understand mine and the majority of the posters here points of view on the situation.  You, me or no one here has a clue what Billy is doing behind the scenes.  You, me or anyone else here has any idea what Kap will do come July 1st.

You think Kap is coming on Hockey Wilderness and reading these comments as says, damn, no one is taking about me I am leaving.?

You can talk about my fancy stats projecting Boldy all you want.  Tried to use it to try and get you and others to see something positive.  
 

Most of us will continue to look at all the positives about this team and enjoy it because nothing this team or Kap does is in our control.  All we can do is hope that Kap sees this team for what it is.  A team that is 12-7-1 without him this year.  A team with a great young  core already in the league and many more coming.  Pissing and moaning about stuff we have no control over isn’t going to change it.  

[SkolWild73]

3 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

I guess you and I are just different then.  I can’t stand mediocrity like all MN teams are.  Fans need to demand more and not just be happy to be a fan.  

And what is that going to do?  How is that going to change a damn thing.  Also, how is this team mediocre?  You are so blinded by your negativity that you can’t appreciate a team that has accomplished way more than anyone thought.  I think they are 7th in the league in points percentage and that is with the injuries to many key players and over 1/3 of the season without their best.  That is not mediocre.

[OldDutchChip]

34 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

I guess I can’t get you to understand mine and the majority of the posters here points of view on the situation.  You, me or no one here has a clue what Billy is doing behind the scenes.  You, me or anyone else here has any idea what Kap will do come July 1st.

You think Kap is coming on Hockey Wilderness and reading these comments as says, damn, no one is taking about me I am leaving.?

You can talk about my fancy stats projecting Boldy all you want.  Tried to use it to try and get you and others to see something positive.  
 

Most of us will continue to look at all the positives about this team and enjoy it because nothing this team or Kap does is in our control.  All we can do is hope that Kap sees this team for what it is.  A team that is 12-7-1 without him this year.  A team with a great young  core already in the league and many more coming.  Pissing and moaning about stuff we have no control over isn’t going to change it.  

I guess I can’t get you to understand mine and the majority of the posters here points of view on the situation. if the herd logic is that we should proceed as if nothing is wrong, then yes - i am totally against it - but your type of thinking is sadly predictable. wild fans are used to being an ok team. any type of success is good, but not really demanded. 

You think Kap is coming on Hockey Wilderness and reading these comments as says, damn, no one is taking about me I am leaving.?

i guess i didn't consider my posts to go that far up the chain, but it wouldn't surprise me if a player peaks at the smart forum once in a while, especially on his down time, to see what the fans are thinking of him. i'd probably be incline to peak. Kap if you are reading this - Hello! 🙂 

You can talk about my fancy stats projecting Boldy all you want.  Tried to use it to try and get you and others to see something positive.  i am fine with Boldy's stats (somewhat) and good for him being selected for team US. but he's worth to me right now is as an attractive asset that we could use to better our lineup to match Kaprizov needs. that's it. same as Rossi and same as others. if they are playing well - that inflates their value - and they can be used to pry a much more fitting piece. 

Most of us will continue to look at all the positives about this team and enjoy it because nothing this team or Kap does is in our control.  All we can do is hope that Kap sees this team for what it is.  A team that is 12-7-1 without him this year.  A team with a great young  core already in the league and many more coming.  Pissing and moaning about stuff we have no control over isn’t going to change it.  

• out of our control - yes. but this is a forum where we can discuss strategies and options, otherwise why be here?
• hope that Kap stays? why not put yourself at the most advantageous place so that he can't say no (smart option)? why just hope that he says yes (lazy option)? 
• 12-7 is good. is your goal to be good or win a SC?
• Great young core and many more coming....when? in 3-5-7 years? look most of them are NOT on Kap's timeline. 
• Pissing and moaning? i think that's Fred, not me. I am pointing out reality. If you want to hide or discount that and say - whatever happens - happens....i guess - go for it. 

[FredJohnson]

14 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

Pissing and moaning? i think that's Fred, not me.

What'd Fred Gaudreau do to you??

[FredJohnson]

1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

I guess I can’t get you to understand mine and the majority of the posters here points of view on the situation. if the herd logic is that we should proceed as if nothing is wrong, then yes - i am totally against it - but your type of thinking is sadly predictable. wild fans are used to being an ok team. any type of success is good, but not really demanded. 

You think Kap is coming on Hockey Wilderness and reading these comments as says, damn, no one is taking about me I am leaving.?

i guess i didn't consider my posts to go that far up the chain, but it wouldn't surprise me if a player peaks at the smart forum once in a while, especially on his down time, to see what the fans are thinking of him. i'd probably be incline to peak. Kap if you are reading this - Hello! 🙂 

You can talk about my fancy stats projecting Boldy all you want.  Tried to use it to try and get you and others to see something positive.  i am fine with Boldy's stats (somewhat) and good for him being selected for team US. but he's worth to me right now is as an attractive asset that we could use to better our lineup to match Kaprizov needs. that's it. same as Rossi and same as others. if they are playing well - that inflates their value - and they can be used to pry a much more fitting piece. 

Most of us will continue to look at all the positives about this team and enjoy it because nothing this team or Kap does is in our control.  All we can do is hope that Kap sees this team for what it is.  A team that is 12-7-1 without him this year.  A team with a great young  core already in the league and many more coming.  Pissing and moaning about stuff we have no control over isn’t going to change it.  

• out of our control - yes. but this is a forum where we can discuss strategies and options, otherwise why be here?
• hope that Kap stays? why not put yourself at the most advantageous place so that he can't say no (smart option)? why just hope that he says yes (lazy option)? 
• 12-7 is good. is your goal to be good or win a SC?
• Great young core and many more coming....when? in 3-5-7 years? look most of them are NOT on Kap's timeline. 
• Pissing and moaning? i think that's Fred, not me. I am pointing out reality. If you want to hide or discount that and say - whatever happens - happens....i guess - go for it. 

[SkolWild73]

1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

I guess I can’t get you to understand mine and the majority of the posters here points of view on the situation. if the herd logic is that we should proceed as if nothing is wrong, then yes - i am totally against it - but your type of thinking is sadly predictable. wild fans are used to being an ok team. any type of success is good, but not really demanded. 

You think Kap is coming on Hockey Wilderness and reading these comments as says, damn, no one is taking about me I am leaving.?

i guess i didn't consider my posts to go that far up the chain, but it wouldn't surprise me if a player peaks at the smart forum once in a while, especially on his down time, to see what the fans are thinking of him. i'd probably be incline to peak. Kap if you are reading this - Hello! 🙂 

You can talk about my fancy stats projecting Boldy all you want.  Tried to use it to try and get you and others to see something positive.  i am fine with Boldy's stats (somewhat) and good for him being selected for team US. but he's worth to me right now is as an attractive asset that we could use to better our lineup to match Kaprizov needs. that's it. same as Rossi and same as others. if they are playing well - that inflates their value - and they can be used to pry a much more fitting piece. 

Most of us will continue to look at all the positives about this team and enjoy it because nothing this team or Kap does is in our control.  All we can do is hope that Kap sees this team for what it is.  A team that is 12-7-1 without him this year.  A team with a great young  core already in the league and many more coming.  Pissing and moaning about stuff we have no control over isn’t going to change it.  

• out of our control - yes. but this is a forum where we can discuss strategies and options, otherwise why be here?
• hope that Kap stays? why not put yourself at the most advantageous place so that he can't say no (smart option)? why just hope that he says yes (lazy option)? 
• 12-7 is good. is your goal to be good or win a SC?
• Great young core and many more coming....when? in 3-5-7 years? look most of them are NOT on Kap's timeline. 
• Pissing and moaning? i think that's Fred, not me. I am pointing out reality. If you want to hide or discount that and say - whatever happens - happens....i guess - go for it. 

Again, either I am not doing a good enough job of explaining or you don’t want to understand that there are other viewpoints.   
 

My type of thinking is highly predictable?  Again you miss the point of what I am saying.  None of us said everything is perfect or nothing is wrong or that we don’t want success.  We just chose to look at the positives since we have no control over the outcomes.

You say you are pointing out reality?  What, that Kap will leave?  How is that reality?  It is possible and your opinion.   If if does leave then it will be reality.  Reality is this is what the team is now and we do not know or have any control of the future. 
 

12-7-1 is a 102 point per 82 games.  That is without Kap.  Maybe with Kap it is 110?  Panthers made the finals two years ago with what?  Pretty sure less than 100.

and yes we can discuss strategies on this forum.  The majority like to discuss the positives and would probably love to discuss possible people we can say that are shall i say, realistic?

2026 Ufa’s have some good ones.  Maybe next summer we will know who they are and then we can have a discussion about them.  Until then for myself, and others it feels like a waste of time.

[OldDutchChip]

28 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

Again, either I am not doing a good enough job of explaining or you don’t want to understand that there are other viewpoints.   
 

My type of thinking is highly predictable?  Again you miss the point of what I am saying.  None of us said everything is perfect or nothing is wrong or that we don’t want success.  We just chose to look at the positives since we have no control over the outcomes.

You say you are pointing out reality?  What, that Kap will leave?  How is that reality?  It is possible and your opinion.   If if does leave then it will be reality.  Reality is this is what the team is now and we do not know or have any control of the future. 
 

12-7-1 is a 102 point per 82 games.  That is without Kap.  Maybe with Kap it is 110?  Panthers made the finals two years ago with what?  Pretty sure less than 100.

and yes we can discuss strategies on this forum.  The majority like to discuss the positives and would probably love to discuss possible people we can say that are shall i say, realistic?

2026 Ufa’s have some good ones.  Maybe next summer we will know who they are and then we can have a discussion about them.  Until then for myself, and others it feels like a waste of time.

you always have control of what happens and you can plan and adjust course. to do nothing and leave it as is is lazy. if Kap leaves, and that's likely what will happen, Billy should be fired that same day. positives to me equate a Stanley Cup. that's it. i don't care about more 3-5 year plan. i have seen the results already. 30 years of nothing. we were gifted a game changer and yet we are more excited about our future and average players. 30 years. not one SC appearance, forget a SC winner. we haven't even been to the finals! but you are looking for positives. 

12-7-1 is a 102 point per 82 games.  That is without Kap.  Maybe with Kap it is 110?  Panthers made the finals two years ago with what?  Pretty sure less than 100. this love affair with stats seems to say that loosing Kap and maybe replacing him with Nelson is like a wash! but that's the issue with fancy stats. they have flaws. they are not perfect. Kaprizov is our Gretzkiy. That is the reality. To even try to compare impact with and without is a crime. Doing so devalues Kaprizov. He was playing at unmatched level before he was hurt. Line him up with Ranty or Draisailt and he would reach production unseen in decades. But go ahead and see how many times lately his name been mentioned. How many times his needs were taken in consideration. He signed his 5 year contract (after being very firm in his negotiations). He wanted a winner. he wanted to see if this is a place. A place that is likely not his primary choice. So all had to line up. To say after 5 years of NO SUCCESS that everything is right is something.....but if expectation is PO and not SC, then we don't need Kap.

[SkolWild73]

25 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

you always have control of what happens and you can plan and adjust course. to do nothing and leave it as is is lazy. if Kap leaves, and that's likely what will happen, Billy should be fired that same day. positives to me equate a Stanley Cup. that's it. i don't care about more 3-5 year plan. i have seen the results already. 30 years of nothing. we were gifted a game changer and yet we are more excited about our future and average players. 30 years. not one SC appearance, forget a SC winner. we haven't even been to the finals! but you are looking for positives. 

12-7-1 is a 102 point per 82 games.  That is without Kap.  Maybe with Kap it is 110?  Panthers made the finals two years ago with what?  Pretty sure less than 100. this love affair with stats seems to say that loosing Kap and maybe replacing him with Nelson is like a wash! but that's the issue with fancy stats. they have flaws. they are not perfect. Kaprizov is our Gretzkiy. That is the reality. To even try to compare impact with and without is a crime. Doing so devalues Kaprizov. He was playing at unmatched level before he was hurt. Line him up with Ranty or Draisailt and he would reach production unseen in decades. But go ahead and see how many times lately his name been mentioned. How many times his needs were taken in consideration. He signed his 5 year contract (after being very firm in his negotiations). He wanted a winner. he wanted to see if this is a place. A place that is likely not his primary choice. So all had to line up. To say after 5 years of NO SUCCESS that everything is right is something.....but if expectation is PO and not SC, then we don't need Kap.

Man, I might have to give up.  No matter what I say you misinterpret everything and then say the same thing again.  The point of the points without him is trying to show that we have a solid team without him, even better with him, meaning we can make a run.  Only a positive point of view of what we have  Never one time in all my posts have I said we can replace Kap or that I want to.  

[OldDutchChip]

27 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

Man, I might have to give up.  No matter what I say you misinterpret everything and then say the same thing again.  The point of the points without him is trying to show that we have a solid team without him, even better with him, meaning we can make a run.  Only a positive point of view of what we have  Never one time in all my posts have I said we can replace Kap or that I want to.  

but we can't just proceed as if this is fine. we are not ready. we cannot win a game against central PO teams. what is the point here? that nothing is wrong? that you have faith that we will prevail once Kap is back? where are you drawing that from? look at the record against Jets, Stars and Avs for the last 2 years. We stink. They OWN us. on top of that they beat the crap out of our star. please tell me the positive here and i will join you.

[SkolWild73]

40 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

but we can't just proceed as if this is fine. we are not ready. we cannot win a game against central PO teams. what is the point here? that nothing is wrong? that you have faith that we will prevail once Kap is back? where are you drawing that from? look at the record against Jets, Stars and Avs for the last 2 years. We stink. They OWN us. on top of that they beat the crap out of our star. please tell me the positive here and i will join you.

It is a positive viewpoint, because unless someone great magically becomes available by March 7th that is a true game changer and we are able to pull off a trade with no cap space, this is our team.  So, I try and find as many positives as possible, and yes, many of them include stats, which for me, and I think some others, helps us see what might happen in the future, something to look forward to.  The point of showing the record and points without Kap is to show we are playing at a playoff level without him.  Showing that maybe we would be playing at a level to get to 110 with him puts us on another level that hey, guess what, maybe with some luck we can make a run this year. 

Yes, our record against those teams the last two years has been rough.  But don't we all say playoff hockey is different and throw the regular season out the window?  On a positive for that, less penalties in the playoffs, right?  Good for us since our PK has stunk and our PP has been average at best.  I think our 5 on 5 stats are actually pretty good, last I checked anyway.  Look, I have no idea if we will get past the first round.  I do know that this is a completely different team from when we played Dallas the last time in the playoffs.  In that series we were an underdog, without home ice advantage and took them to 6 games.  Our additions from that team, EK (only played like 13 seconds), Rossi, Khus, Bogo, Chisolm, Lauko, Vinnie, and Trenin (not sure if I am missing anyone else).  On top of that, we have Boldy 2 years older who just played in the most competitive environment he has ever played in.  I will include Faber, since he had played only two regular season games prior to that series.  And lastly, there is no way Kap only has one point this time around.   

It isn't always easy to see the positives, but I look for them instead of the negatives because for me, it makes each season so much more enjoyable.  And I get you have had a lot of years of frustration, but so have I.  I am going to date myself a bit here, but the first North Star game I went to they had little green dinosaur dolls that everyone waved.  If you get that reference you will know how long ago that was.  I watched two Stanley Cup losses too.  I lived through the Herschel Walker trade...yuck.  I had season tickets for the Vikings in 98 and watched Anderson miss his one field goal against Atlanta to go to the Super Bowl (I watched breast reduction surgery on the learning channel instead of the Super Bowl that year because I was so bummed out).  I have every reason to not see the positives.  But staying positive will feel so much better for me when we do finally break through and win one because I will have enjoyed the entire ride, not just the final result.

Hope that helps.  

Edited 5 hours ago by SkolWild73

[SkolWild73]

ODC.  Wanna throw another positive at ya.  Not sure if you watched the game today.  But Boldy looked different to me, in a good way.  Purely speculation, but if that hit that happened on Faber and Boldy came rushing in from the blue line to rough some guys up happens before 4 nations, I don’t think he reacts the same way.  I hope it isnt a one time thing and picked that up from playing with the USA team and more specifically, the Tkachuk’s and becomes more aggressive.

Edited 4 hours ago by SkolWild73