Article: Zeev Buium Is A Bona Fide Top Prospect

[mnfaninnc]

33 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

 We need big centers and against physical teams he doesn’t perform well and don’t think he ever will.

Let's say we don't trade Rossi. In your mind, does he work out at wing? I still couldn't sign off on the offer, even with Samuelsson in the mix, but it is tempting.

[mnhockeyfan03]

32 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

Let's say we don't trade Rossi. In your mind, does he work out at wing? I still couldn't sign off on the offer, even with Samuelsson in the mix, but it is tempting.

I don’t mind Rossi at 4-5mm for 2-3 years only as a winger basically as a Zucc replacement.  There are a bunch of guys I think with Rossi and a pick or prospect we could get something better in return.  Being in the division we are in the west we need to figure out what we need to beat those teams and its speed and size.  That’s why Tuch and Thompson make so much sense.  We don’t have size or speed in our top 6 and don’t have RHD shots either.  Faber is not a 8.5mm guy.  He’s a 5mm guy.  We need more help at forward than D so that’s why he can be involved.  By the time Kap is 33 or 34 our window will be over.  We need to go now. 

[mnhockeyfan03]

1 hour ago, mnfaninnc said:

Let's say we don't trade Rossi. In your mind, does he work out at wing? I still couldn't sign off on the offer, even with Samuelsson in the mix, but it is tempting.

If Samuelson is in the mix definitely will do it.  I also would do it if Jokiharju is included.  Rossi, Boldy and Faber (21.5cap) for Thompson, Tuch and Samuelson or Jokiharju (16mm cap) (and the Wild would have 6mm left over to sign another dman or forward figuring Rossi will make 6mm a year.  I do that trade all day everyday if I am the wild. Very good hockey trade for both sides

[Mateo3xm]

14 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Or does it.  If people think Rossi will get $8mm which is a huge overpay we can’t afford why not get a very skilled top 6 forward in Rakell for $5mm a year for the next 3 years.  If Rossi asks for over a 2-3 year bridge at 5mm I do think Rossi will be traded this summer for something. 

Rakell is on the downswing and Rossi is only going up from here. It makes no sense. The cap is going to see significant increase in the next few years. Rossi is well worth around 5 mil for a bridge deal. I don’t think you realize that most other teams want size as well. That’s probably why a deal hasn’t been made. You aren’t going to get a player in return who’s bigger with the same point production. Rossi is on pace to score more points than B. Point in his second year. I’m not saying he’s going to be Braydon Point but scoring around 70pts in your second year is extremely impressive. 

[Mateo3xm]

12 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

If Samuelson is in the mix definitely will do it.  I also would do it if Jokiharju is included.  Rossi, Boldy and Faber (21.5cap) for Thompson, Tuch and Samuelson or Jokiharju (16mm cap) (and the Wild would have 6mm left over to sign another dman or forward figuring Rossi will make 6mm a year.  I do that trade all day everyday if I am the wild. Very good hockey trade for both sides

They aren’t getting rid of Thompson and I highly doubt they get rid of Tuch. There isn’t even speculation of them trading those players. You’re basically picking players you want and figuring they’ll trade them for what you give them. Sounds nice but isn’t realistic.

[mnhockeyfan03]

28 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

They aren’t getting rid of Thompson and I highly doubt they get rid of Tuch. There isn’t even speculation of them trading those players. You’re basically picking players you want and figuring they’ll trade them for what you give them. Sounds nice but isn’t realistic.

There is speculation all over NHL trade rumors on Tuch.  If you make a offer they can’t refuse on Thompson they will listen

[Pewterschmidt]

13 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

I don’t mind Rossi at 4-5mm for 2-3 years

Me either.  And i think this is a bargain basement value for the Wild.

Given Guerin's track record he overpays AND over-terms, so I'll predict a $6Mx5  w/3yr NMC contract for Rossi is he re-signs.

This will be fun to handicap and bet on until the day arrives.

[M_Nels]

16 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

There is speculation all over NHL trade rumors on Tuch.  If you make a offer they can’t refuse on Thompson they will listen

Marlon Brando would be proud.

People (not just exclusively on here) didn't like the amount of capital spent on Jiricek, especially the picks. What would you be willing to give up picks wise? You can't just throw 2-3 players and expect them to do a straight swap.

[M_Nels]

Just now, Pewterschmidt said:

Given Guerin's track record he overpays AND over-terms, so I'll predict a $6Mx5  w/3yr NMC contract for Rossi is he re-signs.

Is that really an overpay/over-term though? Rossi is only 23, that wouldn't be like extending Foglino or Hartman in their thirties.

[Pewterschmidt]

1 minute ago, M_Nels said:

Is that really an overpay/over-term though? Rossi is only 23, that wouldn't be like extending Foglino or Hartman in their thirties.

Fair question.  I do think that $6M would be an overpay right now.  After another 25-30 goal season $6M seems more fair market.  That's the bet though, do he score 30 NEXT year, or does he miss half the season with injury bug/concussion issues, etc.  That's why we place the bets.  Only reason Guerin doesn't overpay by more is he's clearly not crazy about Rossi.

[SkolWild73]

59 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

There is speculation all over NHL trade rumors on Tuch.  If you make a offer they can’t refuse on Thompson they will listen

There is speculation that teams would want him if he were available, there is nothing that says Buffalo wants to trade him

[SkolWild73]

15 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Necas would have been option 1 last offseason but no one wanted to trust me on that one and look at what we could have had.  

How could have we had Necas?  What trade would they have taken?  The rejected a ton of trade offers last year.  One was from Winnipeg for Perfetti, who was the same age and put up the same stats as Rossi last year, Rutger McGroarty a 20-year-old who was their first-round pick at pick 14 and a draft pick.  

[mnhockeyfan03]

2 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

How could have we had Necas?  What trade would they have taken?  The rejected a ton of trade offers last year.  One was from Winnipeg for Perfetti, who was the same age and put up the same stats as Rossi last year, Rutger McGroarty a 20-year-old who was their first-round pick at pick 14 and a draft pick.  

I am guessing Boldy and a 1st or second would have got that done. 

[SkolWild73]

4 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

I am guessing Boldy and a 1st or second would have got that done. 

Yes, you are guessing.  Even if they had said yes, you would have traded Boldy, who was 23 and signed at 7mm through 2030 and a pick for Necas, who was 25 and signed at 6.5mm through next year?  How much will his next contract be?  Not sure that would have made us better this year or in the future.  What would our first line have looked like this year when Kap went down or when Zucc went down?  Nojo on the first line?  Hartman?

[mnhockeyfan03]

3 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

Yes, you are guessing.  Even if they had said yes, you would have traded Boldy, who was 23 and signed at 7mm through 2030 and a pick for Necas, who was 25 and signed at 6.5mm through next year?  How much will his next contract be?  Not sure that would have made us better this year or in the future.  What would our first line have looked like this year when Kap went down or when Zucc went down?  Nojo on the first line?  Hartman?

Have you watched Necas play?  He is head and shoulders above Boldy right now and still young as well.  We needed a RH shot and still do.  Overvaluing Rossi and Boldy and Faber is not going to get this team anywhere 

[SkolWild73]

3 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Have you watched Necas play?  He is head and shoulders above Boldy right now and still young as well.  We needed a RH shot and still do.  Overvaluing Rossi and Boldy and Faber is not going to get this team anywhere 

You must watch every team play all 82 games because this is the second time I have heard you mention this to someone, the last one was about Buffalo. Yes, I have watched him play, but not as much as Boldy.  And as you said, right now he is better, but I would not say head and shoulders.  But the key term is right now.  Most players take a leap from 23-25, Necas being one of those players.  He scored 40 points at 22, 71 points at 23, 53 at 24 and is on pace for 90 this year as at 25.  Boldy scored 63 at 21, 69 (giggity) at 22 and on pace for 70 at 23.  I do not think I am overvaluing Rossi, Boldy or Faber.  I am looking at what these players can become when they hit 25 and up.

[mnhockeyfan03]

4 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

You must watch every team play all 82 games because this is the second time I have heard you mention this to someone, the last one was about Buffalo. Yes, I have watched him play, but not as much as Boldy.  And as you said, right now he is better, but I would not say head and shoulders.  But the key term is right now.  Most players take a leap from 23-25, Necas being one of those players.  He scored 40 points at 22, 71 points at 23, 53 at 24 and is on pace for 90 this year as at 25.  Boldy scored 63 at 21, 69 (giggity) at 22 and on pace for 70 at 23.  I do not think I am overvaluing Rossi, Boldy or Faber.  I am looking at what these players can become when they hit 25 and up.

I do have the NHL package so I get everygame and watch probably 3 hours a night so I see a lot of other teams players. 

[Up North Guy]

6 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

I do have the NHL package so I get everygame and watch probably 3 hours a night so I see a lot of other teams players. 

By golly, I bet teams are lining up to sign you as asst GM

[Burnt Toast]

23 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Rossi is not making 6-8mm a year

Yes he will be. Start at $7M per and go up from there. Say…. Around half of what KK will get. Sounds fair to me. NHL contracts are about to go BOOM. If you’re shopping for a bigger C (Barkov type) I’m not sure what $7M is going to get you long term. 

[mnhockeyfan03]

5 minutes ago, Burnt Toast said:

Yes he will be. Start at $7M per and go up from there. Say…. Around half of what KK will get. Sounds fair to me. NHL contracts are about to go BOOM. If you’re shopping for a bigger C (Barkov type) I’m not sure what $7M is going to get you long term. 

If he asking for that then I think he will get traded.  I think Billy’s wants a couple more big forwards and that will not make that possible signing Rossi to that.  

[mnhockeyfan03]

33 minutes ago, Up North Guy said:

By golly, I bet teams are lining up to sign you as asst GM

They just might be.  

[Burnt Toast]

7 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

I see a lot of other teams players

I think the Wild still need that one on ice leader/skill/Captain type of player. Finding that guy and keeping the team intact is my dream scenario. 

[Burnt Toast]

2 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

asking for that

My guess is that Rossi’s camp has been asking for that for a while. 

[Burnt Toast]

3 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

They just might be

Being a scout is very cool also. 

[Burnt Toast]

6 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

I think Billy’s wants a couple more big forwards

This is a real possibility. If they are skilled and fast they cost a lot. Canes are about to find out just how much. Billy has been patient, we’re going to find out soon what he believes the Wild’s window is by the age of any forwards he trades for.