Article: What Should The Wild Do With Ryan Hartman?

[mnhockeyfan03]

5 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

Right, at 25.  Boldy and Rossi may be just as good or better when they get there.  He was not any better and by stats, was not as good as Boldy and Rossi at the same age.  That is why I say patience.  

Negative.  Rossi doesn’t have the speed or height and Boldy doesn’t have the hunger or drive.  Necas would have been a great addition but billy overvalues his guys

[Dango]

I think Eichel was a 10 million dollar player, we would have had to trade more than Rossi and Boldy to take on 10 million .  Probably Fiala and another 4-5 million .  

[raithis]

17 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Negative.  Rossi doesn’t have the speed or height and Boldy doesn’t have the hunger or drive.  Necas would have been a great addition but billy overvalues his guys

I think you undervalue players that are still developing.  Necas wasn't the same player he is now when he was their age.  As SkolWild already said, both Boldy and Rossi have better production than Necas at the same age.  Players grow and mature.  If we trade them now, we don't get the same value out of the trades as we could.

Yes, Rossi is a bit on the short side, but I wouldn't call him slow.  He's also not as slow as you make him out to be.  Hockey Wilderness had the following to say in an article from October 2023.

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Rossi's top speed is 22.0 mph this year (compared to a 21.4 average so far this season), putting him in the league's top-20% in that category. He's able to accelerate quickly, near the top of the league in bursts of 18-20 and 20-22 mph. Rossi and skating coach Andy Ness deserve a ton of credit for their work this summer.

Yes, he isn't as fast as Necas is now, but was Necas that fast 3 years ago or has he worked up to it?  That also would suggest that Rossi isn't slow.  He is just more defensibly reliable and doesn't get to the upper gears kind of like Khusnutdinov.

I also definitely thing Boldly has hunger and drive.  He obviously cares.  He seems to get frustrated and I think he's in his own head.  I'd like to see him play a little less of a finesse game though.

Point is, comparing Boldy or Rossi to what Necas is now is not a fair comparison.  Will they be better than Necas at 26?  Maybe not, but they will likely be better than they are now, which gives us more ability to make trades should we feel that type of change can improve the team.

We aren't there yet.

[SkolWild73]

4 hours ago, raithis said:

I think you undervalue players that are still developing.  Necas wasn't the same player he is now when he was their age.  As SkolWild already said, both Boldy and Rossi have better production than Necas at the same age.  Players grow and mature.  If we trade them now, we don't get the same value out of the trades as we could.

Yes, Rossi is a bit on the short side, but I wouldn't call him slow.  He's also not as slow as you make him out to be.  Hockey Wilderness had the following to say in an article from October 2023.

Yes, he isn't as fast as Necas is now, but was Necas that fast 3 years ago or has he worked up to it?  That also would suggest that Rossi isn't slow.  He is just more defensibly reliable and doesn't get to the upper gears kind of like Khusnutdinov.

I also definitely thing Boldly has hunger and drive.  He obviously cares.  He seems to get frustrated and I think he's in his own head.  I'd like to see him play a little less of a finesse game though.

Point is, comparing Boldy or Rossi to what Necas is now is not a fair comparison.  Will they be better than Necas at 26?  Maybe not, but they will likely be better than they are now, which gives us more ability to make trades should we feel that type of change can improve the team.

We aren't there yet.

I believe you and I see it the same way.  Let’s hope our players develop and have fun watching it.

[SkolWild73]

6 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Negative.  Rossi doesn’t have the speed or height and Boldy doesn’t have the hunger or drive.  Necas would have been a great addition but billy overvalues his guys

You say it like what you say is fact.  It is an opinion just like mine.  I use stats to back up what my opinion is.  Necas last year scored 53 points and was a minus 9 player and you say his would have unquestionably been our second best player last year.  Not sure about that.  Yes, he might end up being a ppg player or even get 100 points in a season or two.  Also possible based on their age and where they already are, that Boldy and Rossi will to.  It is also possible that they flatline or regress.  If Rossi and Boldy were 25 or 26 and producing like this and never sniffed a season as a ppg player, I might feel differently about trading them.  I just have a hard time thinking you trade away 60+ point players who still have 2-4 more years of development.

[SkolWild73]

6 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Negative.  Rossi doesn’t have the speed or height and Boldy doesn’t have the hunger or drive.  Necas would have been a great addition but billy overvalues his guys

Last point I will make.  Necas makes 6.5 mil this year and next then needs a new contract.  Say he gets 10.5 mil in 2026.  Boldy is signed through 2030 at 7 mil.  To make a trade like that you have to look at money too and ask is Necas going to be one and a half times the player Boldy will be. 
 

Either way, we both want what’s best for the Wild and I would guess would mark out the same way if they won a cup, no matter how they got there.  And I don’t care how they get there.  I am a pretty positive person and love to direction they are on now

[SkolWild73]

On 2/7/2025 at 11:25 PM, Dango said:

I think Eichel was a 10 million dollar player, we would have had to trade more than Rossi and Boldy to take on 10 million .  Probably Fiala and another 4-5 million .  

I looked back at what Buffalo was asking for at the time and it was Boldy, Rossi, and 2 first round picks one in 2022 and one in 2023. Maybe we could have got that down to one pick in 2022.  Most people thought that was too much to give up for Eichel.  Another later said Rossi, Fiala, Kakkonen and a 1st.  Who knows if this was all true but if it was, on top of losing Boldy and Rossi with the first trade option, we would have also lost out on Yurov in 2022 and Stramel in 2023.

In option two, we would have never traded Fiala to the Kings which turned out to be Faber and Ohgren.  Also, would not have had our first in 2022 which was Yurov. 

And you are right with the money.  Option two made the money work, but then I wonder if we would have had the money to resign Boldy to his extension.

 

[mnhockeyfan03]

Agree we both want what’s best for the team and to win a CUP.  I am just not sold on Boldy, Zucc, and Faber.  I think for the money they make and what we could get in return this team could be much better. Rossi I like but not as a center but a winger on a 3yr 4-5mm bridge deal anything more trade him.  Also we need the money Spurgeon is making to have more flexibility to bring in players. He isn’t going to help us when it matters. 

[Sam]

1 hour ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

He isn’t going to help us when it matters. 

You better hope Mr. Spurgeon doesn’t read this, it would really hurt his feelings.

[mnhockeyfan03]

23 minutes ago, Sam said:

You better hope Mr. Spurgeon doesn’t read this, it would really hurt his feelings.

I am not worried about feelings the best thing he could do to help this team would be to pretend to hurt his back and take a front office job and allow us to use his salary on other guys.  Win win for both him and his family and the team. 

[SkolWild73]

1 hour ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Agree we both want what’s best for the team and to win a CUP.  I am just not sold on Boldy, Zucc, and Faber.  I think for the money they make and what we could get in return this team could be much better. Rossi I like but not as a center but a winger on a 3yr 4-5mm bridge deal anything more trade him.  Also we need the money Spurgeon is making to have more flexibility to bring in players. He isn’t going to help us when it matters. 

I would guess if we signed Rossi to a bridge deal, it will be in the neighborhood of what Necas got, 2 years and 13 mil.   I thought I read before the season they were predicting 2-3 years at 5.7 mil.  Pretty sure that is out the window now.

[mnhockeyfan03]

32 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

I would guess if we signed Rossi to a bridge deal, it will be in the neighborhood of what Necas got, 2 years and 13 mil.   I thought I read before the season they were predicting 2-3 years at 5.7 mil.  Pretty sure that is out the window now.

Rossi is not worth over 4-5mm for 2-3 years.  Necas is a step above rossi

[SkolWild73]

35 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Rossi is not worth over 4-5mm for 2-3 years.  Necas is a step above rossi

I am not going to debate what he is worth.  Just stating what he is most likely going to get. I hope whatever it is, it is for three years.  If he exceeds it, we get more value on his contract.  If he has maxed out his play, we have an extra year to find out and trade him after the second year of the deal when he is still 25 and will have plenty of suitors.

[M_Nels]

21 hours ago, SkolWild73 said:

I looked back at what Buffalo was asking for at the time and it was Boldy, Rossi, and 2 first round picks one in 2022 and one in 2023. Maybe we could have got that down to one pick in 2022.  Most people thought that was too much to give up for Eichel.

Easy to look back in hindsight on Eichel given how's he performed in Vegas but his neck surgery was a huge caution for a lot of teams. Hard to give up that kind of capital for a player undergoing that serious of a procedure and unknown if he'd ever come back as the same caliber player.

[SkolWild73]

1 hour ago, M_Nels said:

Easy to look back in hindsight on Eichel given how's he performed in Vegas but his neck surgery was a huge caution for a lot of teams. Hard to give up that kind of capital for a player undergoing that serious of a procedure and unknown if he'd ever come back as the same caliber player.

I agree.  Even with what we know now, I still don’t know if I would have made it.  

[Willy the poor boy]

On 2/7/2025 at 6:41 PM, mnhockeyfan03 said:

  Our guy Billy is a few years behind seeing that cliff and signs them a few more years and we get results like we do now.  The Vegas GM bribgs in players and goes for it every year  

Exactly why BG 'shouldn't' be selling the farm...

[Thatoneguy]

On 2/7/2025 at 6:43 PM, mnhockeyfan03 said:

They don’t pass the eye test. Watch them against the good teams in the west.  They fold.  Also their stats are padded for PP.  Their 5x5 results arent good.  Change needs to happen if we want to compete.  

Better trade Kap too then if that's what you're basing your argument off of. 

[raithis]

On 2/9/2025 at 11:44 AM, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Rossi I like but not as a center but a winger

Totally agree with you on this part.

I give him a lot of credit for trying, but I think he'd be a much better fit as a wing.

I still think he's an important part of the team and that we should keep him for at least another year or two, but I feel like we will see more of a transition game from him if he plays more at the wing.

[Protec]

Hartzy's suspension reduced to eight games. Now teams will know we have a psycho out there. Hartzy knows Guerin will tomahawk some heads out there. This is what GMBG signed him for. Atta bois Grizzle, let em know you're there. 😁

https://www.nhl.com/news/minnesota-wild-ryan-hartman-suspension-reduced-to-eight-games