Article: What Should The Wild Do With Ryan Hartman?

[Luke Sims]

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[mnhockeyfan03]

Don’t let him wear a wild jersey again. Waiver him or trade him when able.  It’s sad when the guy we just claimed in his first game plays better than him and is much cheaper.  This is why other trades need to happen as well.  Our guys just aren’t that good. Boldy, Rossi, Zucc, Spurgeon all MIA the last few weeks.  Need to trade them

[Up North Guy]

41 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Don’t let him wear a wild jersey again. Waiver him or trade him when able.  It’s sad when the guy we just claimed in his first game plays better than him and is much cheaper.  This is why other trades need to happen as well.  Our guys just aren’t that good. Boldy, Rossi, Zucc, Spurgeon all MIA the last few weeks.  Need to trade them

Rinse and repeat. That horse hasn't been flogged enough yet?

[mnhockeyfan03]

8 minutes ago, Up North Guy said:

Rinse and repeat. That horse hasn't been flogged enough yet?

Not until something happens. We have a GM who is scared to take a risk.  Get rid of the country club and start GMing like Vegas.  No guy on the team is more important than the team and the goal of winning a Cup.

[RedLake]

Get him ready for playoffs. We'll be needing him.

[SkolWild73]

2 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Not until something happens. We have a GM who is scared to take a risk.  Get rid of the country club and start GMing like Vegas.  No guy on the team is more important than the team and the goal of winning a Cup.

What part of Gming like Vegas are you referring to?  The Eichel trade or something else?

[SkolWild73]

3 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Don’t let him wear a wild jersey again. Waiver him or trade him when able.  It’s sad when the guy we just claimed in his first game plays better than him and is much cheaper.  This is why other trades need to happen as well.  Our guys just aren’t that good. Boldy, Rossi, Zucc, Spurgeon all MIA the last few weeks.  Need to trade them

So if we trade all the players that haven’t produced in 2 weeks I guess we should have traded Kap after the Dallas playoff series two seasons ago because he had one goal and 0 assists in the 6 games, and that was a power play goal.  Almost all players go through stretches without scoring.  That’s why you have to look at the totality of the year.  Rossi, 46 in 55, Boldy, 45 in 55, and Zucc, 36 in 42.  Nothing wrong with those stats.  

[mnhockeyfan03]

2 hours ago, SkolWild73 said:

What part of Gming like Vegas are you referring to?  The Eichel trade or something else?

Looks at his creative use of cap space.  Also the Eichel trade, stone trade, and how any player looks like they done he doesn’t resign or trades them.  Our guy Billy is a few years behind seeing that cliff and signs them a few more years and we get results like we do now.  The Vegas GM bribgs in players and goes for it every year  

[mnhockeyfan03]

1 hour ago, SkolWild73 said:

So if we trade all the players that haven’t produced in 2 weeks I guess we should have traded Kap after the Dallas playoff series two seasons ago because he had one goal and 0 assists in the 6 games, and that was a power play goal.  Almost all players go through stretches without scoring.  That’s why you have to look at the totality of the year.  Rossi, 46 in 55, Boldy, 45 in 55, and Zucc, 36 in 42.  Nothing wrong with those stats.  

They don’t pass the eye test. Watch them against the good teams in the west.  They fold.  Also their stats are padded for PP.  Their 5x5 results arent good.  Change needs to happen if we want to compete.  

[SkolWild73]

5 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

They don’t pass the eye test. Watch them against the good teams in the west.  They fold.  Also their stats are padded for PP.  Their 5x5 results arent good.  Change needs to happen if we want to compete.  

Ok.  Rossi has 10, Boldy 13, and Zucc 10 on pp.  Here are comparable points players and their pp and points results. 

 

Matt Duchene, Dallas, 49 points and 16 on pp.  

Robertson, Dallas, 50 points, 14 on pp.

Vilardi, Winnipeg, 49 points, 22 on pp

Bedard, Chicago, 46 points, 16 on pp.

Unless all these players aren’t good on 5x5 either, it looks like our guys are performing as well or better in 5x5.

 

 

 

[SkolWild73]

20 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Looks at his creative use of cap space.  Also the Eichel trade, stone trade, and how any player looks like they done he doesn’t resign or trades them.  Our guy Billy is a few years behind seeing that cliff and signs them a few more years and we get results like we do now.  The Vegas GM bribgs in players and goes for it every year  

Yea, but Vegas had cap space to make moves, we have not.  Also, Vegas had just tied for most points in the league and were the second favorite to win the cup when they traded for Eichel, not a year removed from missing the playoffs.  They also did not give up one of their top young players who is signed for 5 more years to get him.  They traded Tuch,  who was 25 and his best point total year was 52, a prospect and a first and a second.  You want to trade Boldy, but we would only get someone back that makes as much or less.   Not sure who is out there that is better than him for that price, and also same age, since Boldy is only 23 and should only get better. 
 

As much as some of us would like to make moves, they probably are not happening until the off-season at the earliest.

[Enforceror]

20 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

Ok.  Rossi has 10, Boldy 13, and Zucc 10 on pp.  Here are comparable points players and their pp and points results. 

 

Matt Duchene, Dallas, 49 points and 16 on pp.  

Robertson, Dallas, 50 points, 14 on pp.

Vilardi, Winnipeg, 49 points, 22 on pp

Bedard, Chicago, 46 points, 16 on pp.

Unless all these players aren’t good on 5x5 either, it looks like our guys are performing as well or better in 5x5.

 

 

 

I would add that we are currently 24th in the league on PP. I think the real issue is we're just not scoring enough, part of that needing to be on the PP.

[SkolWild73]

3 minutes ago, Enforceror said:

I would add that we are currently 24th in the league on PP. I think the real issue is we're just not scoring enough, part of that needing to be on the PP.

I agree with that.  Just trying to show that Rossi, Boldy, and Zucc are doing fine on 5x5.  

[mnhockeyfan03]

34 minutes ago, SkolWild73 said:

I agree with that.  Just trying to show that Rossi, Boldy, and Zucc are doing fine on 5x5.  

How are they 5x5 against the playoff teams in the west?

We need a lethal RH shot on the PP and Zucc needs to be off it as well as Faber.  Both are way to cute and neither has a shot.

Doesnt pay to go around and around as our GM doesn’t have the stones to make us a contender to we will continue to be stuck in the middle.

We could have had Eichel a few years ago for Boldy and Rossi or last year could have had Necas for Boldy and picks but no our guy Billy overvalues his guys and we are stuck without a true number 2 goal scorer.  That’s why do whatever you need to get Tuch and Thompson.  Throw in Boldy, Rossi, Faber and change this lazy soft team

[SkolWild73]

53 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

How are they 5x5 against the playoff teams in the west?

We need a lethal RH shot on the PP and Zucc needs to be off it as well as Faber.  Both are way to cute and neither has a shot.

Doesnt pay to go around and around as our GM doesn’t have the stones to make us a contender to we will continue to be stuck in the middle.

We could have had Eichel a few years ago for Boldy and Rossi or last year could have had Necas for Boldy and picks but no our guy Billy overvalues his guys and we are stuck without a true number 2 goal scorer.  That’s why do whatever you need to get Tuch and Thompson.  Throw in Boldy, Rossi, Faber and change this lazy soft team

You act like Thompson and Tuch are available.  And I would rather have Boldy who already scores about as much as Tuch does and is 5 years younger with a higher ceiling.  It is so easy to be a fantasy GM and after your team is one of the 31 teams that does not win a cup you can say see, I told you we should have made this move or that move.  And just because Vegas won a cup with Eichel, it sure doesn't mean we would have.  They were far closer to being a contender than we are.  Vegas traded Tuch a prospect and picks for him.  You are suggesting we should have given up two of our top prospects who are on pace for 66 and 67 points this year for Eichel who will probably put up 100, but doubt he hits 133.

I know this.  I will be a fan of the Wild, whether they win 5 cups or 0 cups.  I will root for the team that we have and will still root for them in the future when they are all gone and not be negative about every little thing they do or do not do.  All the complaining about this team that has lost their best player for 18 games and counting, and multiple other top players for 10 or more games and we still have the 7th best point percentage in the league.

As I said in another post, this is the first time in the Wild's history that they have a true superstar, a very good young core, in Faber, Boldy and Rossi that have not hit their peak, and a top prospect pool with probably 4 players ready to contribute next year.  Although it is tough to be patient with a team that has not even been to the cup finals in their history, (excluding the North Stars), if there has ever been a time in their history to be patient it is now.  See where we are at the end of 2027 and if we are where Vegas was when they traded for Eichel, or the Panthers when the traded for Tkachuk, then we make a move.  

[SkolWild73]

1 hour ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

How are they 5x5 against the playoff teams in the west?

 

Since you asked. here you go.  I used Vegas, Kings, Oilers, Canucks, Stars, Jets. and Avs.

Boldy, 14 games, 2 goals, 3 assists, .35 ppg

 Rossi, 14 games. 1 goal, 3 assists, .29 ppg

Zucc, 9 games, 0 goals, 5 assists, .55 ppg

Kap, 10 games. 4 goals, 1 assist. .5 ppg

None of our players have played well against those teams, including Kap, but that doesn't mean we should trade him and that holds true for the rest of the team.  It is a small sample size to take from, but we have been outscored by those 7 teams 55-27 and have a record of 4-11.  Also, Kap missed 5 of the 15 games and Zucc missed 6.  Did not look to see if any of those games overlapped or not, but main issue we were not fully healthy for many of the games.