Article: How Should the Wild Handle Trenin Moving Forward?

[OldDutchChip]

2 minutes ago, AKwildkraken said:

I was thinking the same thing, but our talent is quite depleted at the moment.  

sad but true

[Citizen Strife]

I think the thought process with these lines makessense in theory.

Boldy and Ek work great

Rossi works well with anybody,has past chemistry with Moose and Hartman, who are playing better offensively.

Ohgren, Gaudreau, and Trenin "should" be solid defensively.

Lauko and Khus have speed.

We'll see if it works in execution.

[Sam]

4 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

Technically, Trenin has the lowest goals against per 60 while short handed of any Wild player who is getting regular minutes on the PK, and it's a reasonably low number. Even strength, the Wild have outscored their opponents with Trenin on the ice. He has not provided much offense, but he is doing fairly well in the defensive game.

Wasn’t he relieved of his pk duties?

[Citizen Strife]

So, in execution

Boldy/Ek/Zuccarello did "ok."  Ek and Boldy did their best to hold the offensive zone whenever they could.  Boldy still can't hit the broadside of a barn on open looks, but what else is new?

Foligno/Rossi/Hartman and Ohgren/Gaudreau/Trenin did not have good games at all.  Didn't keep up with Toronto's pace, and Toronto wasn't even playing all that good.  Ohgren at least had some nice shifts where he didn't make mistakes...but he's still nowhere near ready to be a threat for this team.

That 4th line though: Goddamn.  Someone stole their lunch money, and they just bitchslapped the Leafs all the way in the offensive zone.  They had some miscues in the d-zone, but everyone did.  

It's going to be hard to switch lines.  The main issue is Foligno, Hartman, and Ohgren all kinda do the same things.  Ohgren for sure isn't ready for an offensive role.  I would put Lauko on 2nd over any of them...but I've given up thinking that would ever happen.

Lauko in Top 6 is my version of ODC's Khusnutdinov dream.  Never going to happen, even if it kinda should.

Edited 18 hours ago by Citizen Strife

[mnhockeyfan03]

11 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

So, in execution

Boldy/Ek/Zuccarello did "ok."  Ek and Boldy did their best to hold the offensive zone whenever they could.  Boldy still can't hit the broadside of a barn on open looks, but what else is new?

Foligno/Rossi/Hartman and Ohgren/Gaudreau/Trenin did not have good games at all.  Didn't keep up with Toronto's pace, and Toronto wasn't even playing all that good.  Ohgren at least had some nice shifts where he didn't make mistakes...but he's still nowhere near ready to be a threat for this team.

That 4th line though: Goddamn.  Someone stole their lunch money, and they just bitchslapped the Leafs all the way in the offensive zone.  They had some miscues in the d-zone, but everyone did.  

It's going to be hard to switch lines.  The main issue is Foligno, Hartman, and Ohgren all kinda do the same things.  Ohgren for sure isn't ready for an offensive role.  I would put Lauko on 2nd over any of them...but I've given up thinking that would ever happen.

Lauko in Top 6 is my version of ODC's Khusnutdinov dream.  Never going to happen, even if it kinda should.

Very good take.  Foligno and Hartman have looked slow and bad for awhile.  We need to try to get them off the roster eventually.  They are making this team worse.  Ohgren is not ready at all and don’t know if he ever will be.  He doesn’t have a mean side and has no speed flash either. I can see him being involved in any trade we do.  Rossi and Boldy had bad games again.  This has to stop.  We need 3-4 more top players to be a good team.  We are relying to much on Gus and if he has an off game we get beat bad.  Also another tough game for Spurgeon.  He was out of position many times and caused many issues. 

[Enforceror]

How do we win? Our d-core brings the offense. If our defenders didn't put the puck in the net, our record would be half of what it is.

[Pewterschmidt]

10 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

That 4th line though: Goddamn. 

1) Shore brings a serviceable 4th line grind

2) Khus brings a jump and plays with heart

 3) Lauko is the diamond in the rough here.  Great inexpensive off season acquisition.  Makes plays (offense and defense)

P-coin does he belong in top six?  No but a promotion to third line is overdue

Edited 7 hours ago by Pewterschmidt

[OldDutchChip]

11 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

So, in execution

Boldy/Ek/Zuccarello did "ok."  Ek and Boldy did their best to hold the offensive zone whenever they could.  Boldy still can't hit the broadside of a barn on open looks, but what else is new?

Foligno/Rossi/Hartman and Ohgren/Gaudreau/Trenin did not have good games at all.  Didn't keep up with Toronto's pace, and Toronto wasn't even playing all that good.  Ohgren at least had some nice shifts where he didn't make mistakes...but he's still nowhere near ready to be a threat for this team.

That 4th line though: Goddamn.  Someone stole their lunch money, and they just bitchslapped the Leafs all the way in the offensive zone.  They had some miscues in the d-zone, but everyone did.  

It's going to be hard to switch lines.  The main issue is Foligno, Hartman, and Ohgren all kinda do the same things.  Ohgren for sure isn't ready for an offensive role.  I would put Lauko on 2nd over any of them...but I've given up thinking that would ever happen.

Lauko in Top 6 is my version of ODC's Khusnutdinov dream.  Never going to happen, even if it kinda should.

argh sounds like i missed out on a great Marat (and Lauko) game (kid bball coaching duties) 😞 better watch today for an encore!!

[M_Nels]

1 hour ago, Pewterschmidt said:

3) Lauko is the diamond in the rough here.  Great inexpensive off season acquisition.  Makes plays (offense and defense)

I really hope they keep him. Perfect 3rd/4th line player with speed.

[mnfaninnc]

I think it was Citizen Strife who didn't like Zuccarello's game the other night. Too many turnovers. So, I mentioned I'd be watching for it against Toronto. I counted 4 in the 1st 2 shifts of the game and quit tracking it. Yes, it is bad.

To have great assists, there has to be a risk-reward relationship. To play without Kaprizov, that risk tightens and the play needs to go north-south. This is not a strength in Zuccarello's game. He is good at button hooking and finding good east-west lanes, but the turnover risk heightens. A serious problem arises when Boldy sees this and thinks it's a good idea to do this too. It's very frustrating to see him drive, turn and drop to the point and then remain situated somewhere on the perimeter.

The situation is this: Without Kaprizov, this has...HAS...to be a north-south team with tight checking and scores like last night. While Toronto had plenty of shots, the Wild blocked a lot of them and cleaned up rebounds for Goose. While he made a lot of saves, Goose really wasn't under siege and this was a good start for him. He also needs to learn to thank his post better.

A strong north-south game means that everyone needs to buy in. That includes Zuccy and Boldy. For the next 4 weeks, I think things will look like this, and Boldy needs to go on a north-south heater where he just abuses defenders physically. 

Also, did anyone else notice that Toronto had quite a few people out too? Probably evened out the ice for us.

 

[Enforceror]

2 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

1) Shore brings a serviceable 4th line grind

2) Khus brings a jump and plays with heart

 3) Lauko is the diamond in the rough here.  Great inexpensive off season acquisition.  Makes plays (offense and defense)

P-coin does he belong in top six?  No but a promotion to third line is overdue

If Lauko could get his hands going he would be an absolute terror. Haven't seen him shoot much so not sure what's there. The guy blows past or through opposing players like they aren't there. His speed and grit are done a dis-service by saying "noticeable." Lauko is also listed as C/LW. I looked at his stats with the Bruins and he only had a 43% faceoff win rate. That speed up the middle would be great but again, I think the other lack of skills probably cancels out the benefits.

Hoping to see Khus gain some confidence after last nights goal and start taking more shots when it's a responsible time to do so.

I'd like to see what Lauko and Khus could do with Hartman who I think would be an upgrade over Gadreau. We really don't have a lot of options at RW...

[M_Nels]

11 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

I think it was Citizen Strife who didn't like Zuccarello's game the other night. Too many turnovers. So, I mentioned I'd be watching for it against Toronto. I counted 4 in the 1st 2 shifts of the game and quit tracking it. Yes, it is bad.

No love for the m_nels on this take. 😉

[Enforceror]

11 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

A strong north-south game means that everyone needs to buy in. That includes Zuccy and Boldy. For the next 4 weeks, I think things will look like this, and Boldy needs to go on a north-south heater where he just abuses defenders physically. 

 

It's frustrating because I've seen him grit his way through multiple defenders and still retain possession multiple times this year. I really do think (hope) he's trying to implement that part of his game. If he does, I suspect we'll see a jump in his stats.

[mnfaninnc]

1 minute ago, M_Nels said:

No love for the m_nels on this take. 😉

Were you the one who mentioned it? I just don't remember, I thought it was CS but that was yesterday, who remembers yesterday?

[mnfaninnc]

1 minute ago, Enforceror said:

It's frustrating because I've seen him grit his way through multiple defenders and still retain possession multiple times this year. I really do think (hope) he's trying to implement that part of his game. If he does, I suspect we'll see a jump in his stats.

I think you're right here. If I were defending Boldy, I would be anticipating a button hook since he seems to do it more than 2/3 times. I would be a little surprised if he took me to the homeplate area, maybe a little on my heals. There's meat on that bone! If Boldy wanted to open up the button hook, finesse style a bit more, he has to take it hard north more times to back off the defenders. 

This is also what happens to Zuccy when he gets pass happy. Defenders play his passing lanes. He's got to shoot to keep them honest. I would play Zuccy's passing lanes too if I were defending him. 

[Up North Guy]

I need to disagree with a couple of posters a little bit. Ohgren had a much better game last night than we have seen so far. Was it stellar? Nope. Was it better? Yep. He was not a big scoring threat but I think that will come. He is still young. What I noticed that was good was Ohgren played with a lot more grit. He was stronger on the puck and in the corners. He battled much harder and didn't look timid. He is a big and hopefully a good power forward that needs to have consistent games where he uses his body and strengths. He may never be a big time scorer but he certainly can be an impactful forward. I think he started to show that last night.

[Enforceror]

3 minutes ago, Up North Guy said:

I need to disagree with a couple of posters a little bit. Ohgren had a much better game last night than we have seen so far. Was it stellar? Nope. Was it better? Yep. He was not a big scoring threat but I think that will come. He is still young. What I noticed that was good was Ohgren played with a lot more grit. He was stronger on the puck and in the corners. He battled much harder and didn't look timid. He is a big and hopefully a good power forward that needs to have consistent games where he uses his body and strengths. He may never be a big time scorer but he certainly can be an impactful forward. I think he started to show that last night.

I'll add that Ohgren turned 21 two days ago. Finally legal age to have a beer (added for context)...

[Up North Guy]

5 minutes ago, Enforceror said:

I'll add that Ohgren turned 21 two days ago. Finally legal age to have a beer (added for context)...

I was going to add that and forgot. Thanks

[Pewterschmidt]

23 minutes ago, Up North Guy said:

Ohgren had a much better game last night than we have seen so far. Was it stellar? Nope. Was it better? Yep. He was not a big scoring threat but I think that will come. He is still young. What I noticed that was good was Ohgren played with a lot more grit.

I’m talking a wait and see approach with ogz.  Are you impressed or encouraged by Ogz so far P-sizzle?   No, not at all.  Zilch.  But I can remember the golden retriever on skates that Burns was his early years before he became all-world so I’m reserving judgement on ogz.  
cause for concern: burns  was/is a apex predator.  I do not see that in Ogz and that’s not something you can develop (jirizy has it in him), so that’s why I predict Ogz ends up in a trade package someday

Edited 3 hours ago by Pewterschmidt