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Imyourhuckleberry Verified Member Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 I'm looking forward to seeing Scott Wheeler's writeup on Wild prospects to learn more. He's doing 1 team each day and so far has gone from #32 to #12 in his "NHL prospect pool rankings 2025" without mentioning the Wild. I hadn't thought about it before, but the move to get Jiricek may have jumped the Wild's prospect pool up a few spots. Anxious to read his thoughts on Yurov and the rest of the Wild prospects. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Strife Verified Member Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) Kaprizov might be getting surgery to fix the nagging injury, and miss up to six weeks. Can just ONE thing go right for this team, like ever? Edited January 28 by Citizen Strife 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacGyver Verified Member Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 KHL teams are owned by the wealthy Russian oligarchs and the oligarchs toe the line for Putin. Putin has been vocal in the past about his dislike of Russian athletes coming to the west and getting wealthy. I'm surprised Putin didn't shut the pipeline down when they became banned from international play. I'm guessing all these Russian players in the N are having to send a kickback of their salary back to the motherland. I still wonder what all went on with Kaprizov during all the drama of trying to get back into the US a couple years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredJohnson Verified Member Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 On 1/28/2025 at 5:54 PM, MacGyver said: I still wonder what all went on with Kaprizov during all the drama of trying to get back into the US a couple years ago. Expand Me too. ‘Twas a big reason for KK97 dropping in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnfaninnc Verified Member Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 While there are probably politics involved, it also must be understood that wealthy Russian Oligarchs also are competitive. Metallurg is the defending champion and I think that puts the team in a little different category. I also think this team will want a repeat. SKA did the same thing to Khus, sending him also to Sochi. They limited his playing time that final year and then sent him to Sochi which sounds like the equivalent to Cleveland. But Metallurg hasn't done this to Yurov. Perhaps he is playing on line 3, I thought from their stat sheet he was playing 2nd line C. He leads the team in SOGs. He's not really on their PP much and has 0 points. This is the biggest opportunity that Yurov is missing, PP time. Now, come playoffs, I would expect him to be elevated and be playing to win another Cup. He's in their top 6 in points, leads SOGs by a wide margin, and the whole team doesn't have huge point producers. 5 guys have double digit goals, 2 with 12 and 3 with 10. Where I'd say that Yurov is having poor luck is that his shooting% is too low and nobody is cashing in on his rebounds. His FO% is 48.2. Boy, wouldn't it be great if Yurov's contract was canceled in Metallurg and we could pick him up on an ELC right away? That would help soften the blow. SKA might do such a thing, I just don't think Metallurg will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Brotherbill Verified Member Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 1/28/2025 at 4:38 PM, Imyourhuckleberry said: I'm looking forward to seeing Scott Wheeler's writeup on Wild prospects to learn more. He's doing 1 team each day and so far has gone from #32 to #12 in his "NHL prospect pool rankings 2025" without mentioning the Wild. I hadn't thought about it before, but the move to get Jiricek may have jumped the Wild's prospect pool up a few spots. Anxious to read his thoughts on Yurov and the rest of the Wild prospects. Expand Nice to have a lot of prospects and to be rated high. However, when you look at it there are some holes in the stable of prospects. Yurov has a lot of speculation about him this year. Is it being iced out or is he just not playing well. We don't know. I would think that if he was playing as well as last year he would be scoring like last year. Strammel is playing well on the number one team in college hockey. But we can't forget last year and the lack of production. Once again if he was good enough to get top six minutes last year he would have gotten top six minutes. Hiedt putting up points like normal. But we have seen that before a lot. He isn't good enough to make the Canadian national team. And he isn't good enough to make the NHL. Since he is too young to play in Iowa we don't know how good he can be. Ohgren seems like he can be good in the NHL but the Wild are in a chaotic time right now and we don't know if he is good or not. Wallstedt lost a lot of shine off his HOF projected career. Some injuries and mental health issues have put a lot of questions on his career. Kumpulainen is much like Hiedt. The Wild would like to have him in Iowa but he isn't old enough to be there. He was good enough to make the national team, so there is that. At least he is playing against older players. When it is all said and done if the Wild's deep prospect pool was filled with elite talent that elite talent would be in St. Paul. A lot of the prospects can't break the NHL lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoosesAreLooses Verified Member Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 1/29/2025 at 5:28 AM, 1Brotherbill said: Hiedt putting up points like normal. But we have seen that before a lot. He isn't good enough to make the Canadian national team. And he isn't good enough to make the NHL. Since he is too young to play in Iowa we don't know how good he can be. Expand Coming from a Canadian, the hockey Canada organization is full of politics. Our team selection was horrendous this year, leaving out the top scorer in the OHL (Misa) and the second scoring prospect in the WHL (Cristall). They also decided to bring zero offensive defensemen and a bunch of other head scratchers from the coaching staff. That being said, Heidt was far from the only high profile prospect left at home for no apparently reason anyone could explain. This included Hage, Lardis, Sennecke and Parekh. Both the WHL and the QMJHL were snubbed by an OHL coach. Not saying Heidt will be a smash hit, but I wouldn't put too much meaning on the fact he didn't make the team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imyourhuckleberry Verified Member Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 1/29/2025 at 5:28 AM, 1Brotherbill said: When it is all said and done if the Wild's deep prospect pool was filled with elite talent that elite talent would be in St. Paul. A lot of the prospects can't break the NHL lineup. Expand There are about 5 teams in the Western Conference with guys under 21 on them, and a majority of those teams aren't trying to win anything this season. I don't think these prospects not playing on NHL ice is nearly as damning as you suggest. Half the teams in the East also do not have players under 21, and some of the teams that do are barely playing the 20 year olds. Teams drafting outside of the top 10 often don't have teenagers playing for them. Buium, Jiricek, and Yurov are still strong prospects and Wallstedt likely will be again once he gets healthy(mind and body). I'll share some tidbits from the Athletic once they get to the Wild. Heidt still needs to add strength and might be a bit of a high end AHLer, but it's possible he'll be quite a bit better than that once he's fully developed closer to his mid-20s. Heidt is only 19 and Rossi has progressed quite a bit in the 22-23 age range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up North Guy Verified Member Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 1/29/2025 at 5:28 AM, 1Brotherbill said: Strammel is playing well on the number one team in college hockey. But we can't forget last year and the lack of production. Once again if he was good enough to get top six minutes last year he would have gotten top six minutes. Expand Wisconsin got a new coach from Mankato last year and he brought in a lot of his Mankato players. Stramel and other Wisconsin players were relegated to the 3rd or 4th line. Stramel did not respond well to that and played poorly. He is a year older (still young though) and maybe has matured some in addition to getting a coach who trusts him and coaches him. He is having a very good year and is helping to drive the Sparty's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up North Guy Verified Member Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 1/29/2025 at 5:28 AM, 1Brotherbill said: Wallstedt lost a lot of shine off his HOF projected career. Some injuries and mental health issues have put a lot of questions on his career. Expand The Wall looks to be healthy again and seems to be regaining his touch. Hopefully he completes the turn around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Brotherbill Verified Member Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 1/29/2025 at 3:14 PM, Imyourhuckleberry said: There are about 5 teams in the Western Conference with guys under 21 on them, and a majority of those teams aren't trying to win anything this season. I don't think these prospects not playing on NHL ice is nearly as damning as you suggest. Half the teams in the East also do not have players under 21, and some of the teams that do are barely playing the 20 year olds. Teams drafting outside of the top 10 often don't have teenagers playing for them. Buium, Jiricek, and Yurov are still strong prospects and Wallstedt likely will be again once he gets healthy(mind and body). I'll share some tidbits from the Athletic once they get to the Wild. Heidt still needs to add strength and might be a bit of a high end AHLer, but it's possible he'll be quite a bit better than that once he's fully developed closer to his mid-20s. Heidt is only 19 and Rossi has progressed quite a bit in the 22-23 age range. Expand So, they aren't better than Trenin, Lauko, Shore, Gaunce etc. We aren't even talking about Gaudreau or Hartman. If you can't score twenty points in the NHL are you even considered elite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Brotherbill Verified Member Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 1/29/2025 at 11:25 PM, Up North Guy said: Wisconsin got a new coach from Mankato last year and he brought in a lot of his Mankato players. Stramel and other Wisconsin players were relegated to the 3rd or 4th line. Stramel did not respond well to that and played poorly. He is a year older (still young though) and maybe has matured some in addition to getting a coach who trusts him and coaches him. He is having a very good year and is helping to drive the Sparty's. Expand So, the players brought over from Mankato by Hastings were all first round talent and will be in the NHL in top 6 positions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imyourhuckleberry Verified Member Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 1/30/2025 at 2:32 AM, 1Brotherbill said: If you can't score twenty points in the NHL are you even considered elite? Expand It varies. Kaprizov didn't score a single point in the NHL before he was 23. Is he elite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imyourhuckleberry Verified Member Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 1/30/2025 at 2:34 AM, 1Brotherbill said: So, the players brought over from Mankato by Hastings were all first round talent and will be in the NHL in top 6 positions? Expand No, but Stramel is actually playing a little bit like a bottom 6 NHL player now at least. I was afraid he wouldn't even approach Jordan Greenway levels of NHL ability, but he might be moving in that direction now. He will need at least another developmental year. Stramel may get himself ready for a depth role at the NHL level few years down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo3xm Verified Member Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 On 1/29/2025 at 5:28 AM, 1Brotherbill said: Nice to have a lot of prospects and to be rated high. However, when you look at it there are some holes in the stable of prospects. Yurov has a lot of speculation about him this year. Is it being iced out or is he just not playing well. We don't know. I would think that if he was playing as well as last year he would be scoring like last year. Strammel is playing well on the number one team in college hockey. But we can't forget last year and the lack of production. Once again if he was good enough to get top six minutes last year he would have gotten top six minutes. Hiedt putting up points like normal. But we have seen that before a lot. He isn't good enough to make the Canadian national team. And he isn't good enough to make the NHL. Since he is too young to play in Iowa we don't know how good he can be. Ohgren seems like he can be good in the NHL but the Wild are in a chaotic time right now and we don't know if he is good or not. Wallstedt lost a lot of shine off his HOF projected career. Some injuries and mental health issues have put a lot of questions on his career. Kumpulainen is much like Hiedt. The Wild would like to have him in Iowa but he isn't old enough to be there. He was good enough to make the national team, so there is that. At least he is playing against older players. When it is all said and done if the Wild's deep prospect pool was filled with elite talent that elite talent would be in St. Paul. A lot of the prospects can't break the NHL lineup. Expand Yurov had shoulder surgery at the beginning of the season. It was reported as hand surgery in one of these articles but I’m pretty sure it’s the shoulder. That can take a long time to recover. Norris from Ottawa had that same surgery a year and a half ago I believe and he’s still not back to how he was before the injury. Yurov broke the khl record for scoring in his age group. He scored more than kaprizov, Kuznetsov, Panarin etc at that age. It’s a known fact that the khl will lower players mins if they know they are going to the nhl. I’m really not worried about Yurov. His production is down because of those reasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Brotherbill Verified Member Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 On 2/1/2025 at 3:27 PM, Mateo3xm said: Yurov had shoulder surgery at the beginning of the season. It was reported as hand surgery in one of these articles but I’m pretty sure it’s the shoulder. That can take a long time to recover. Norris from Ottawa had that same surgery a year and a half ago I believe and he’s still not back to how he was before the injury. Yurov broke the khl record for scoring in his age group. He scored more than kaprizov, Kuznetsov, Panarin etc at that age. It’s a known fact that the khl will lower players mins if they know they are going to the nhl. I’m really not worried about Yurov. His production is down because of those reasons. Expand Speculation on all accounts. Information that comes out of the KHL is spotty at best. I could be a shoulder injury. It could be the ice out the KHL does. Then again it could be that he has lost a desire to play in the NHL. Until he gets to North America we don't know. With the Sammy Walker trade it looks like they want to free up a contract spot. Is that spot for Yurov or is it for Buium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo3xm Verified Member Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 On 2/4/2025 at 2:16 AM, 1Brotherbill said: Speculation on all accounts. Information that comes out of the KHL is spotty at best. I could be a shoulder injury. It could be the ice out the KHL does. Then again it could be that he has lost a desire to play in the NHL. Until he gets to North America we don't know. With the Sammy Walker trade it looks like they want to free up a contract spot. Is that spot for Yurov or is it for Buium? Expand What exactly is speculation? The injury he had that’s been reported on many many articles? All you have to do is look at other hockey players that have had that same shoulder surgery and realize it commonly takes a long time to get back to peak healthy. The fact that the khl regularly demotes players they know are going to come over to America? If you’d been around for a decent amount of time and were aware of these trends you’d know it’s extremely common. Go look at Khusnutdinovs stats and tell me if you notice anything similar to What’s going on with Yurov’s stats this year? Notice how they had big points totals the year before they actually came over? Notice how the last year on their contract their points were basically halved? You obviously haven’t been around and haven’t actually looked into it. It’s funny because your comment is all speculation and based on absolutely nothing. Isnt it speculation when you say “maybe he has lost the desire to play in the NHL? Were you aware it was reported that it was his childhood dream to play in the NHL? All this info is out there. I base my opinion on things I have read and seen over years of following hockey. It’s pretty obvious you are the one speculating with nothing to back up your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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