Article: The Mikko Rantanen Trade Ramps Up the Urgency On A Kaprizov Extension

[Burnt Toast]

2 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

let's do boldy for svechnikov

I’ll make the call myself. That would be a perfect storm, The Wild rebuild The Russian 5!!!

[OldDutchChip]

1 minute ago, Burnt Toast said:

I’ll make the call myself. That would be a perfect storm, The Wild rebuild The Russian 5!!!

i like it! 🍻

[Imyourhuckleberry]

11 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

if canes are still in dealing mood - let's do boldy for svechnikov

One could make an argument that Boldy is better, younger, and less expensive.

Boldy is certainly having the better 24-25.

[OldDutchChip]

3 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

One could make an argument that Boldy is better, younger, and less expensive.

Boldy is certainly having the better 24-25.

one could but they would be wrong. Svechnikov is a better player.

[Sam]

3 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

one could but they would be wrong. Svechnikov is a better player.

The one thing he has going for him is the lacrosse goal. Other than that, I’d take Boldy.

[mnhockeyfan03]

Boldy is not consistent and shys away from any contact.  If they could get svechnikov and Tuch do it.  Do not get Boeser.  JT miller as well.  We needs 3-4 different forwards to make this team better.  We lack skill, size and depth

[Imyourhuckleberry]

19 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

one could but they would be wrong. Svechnikov is a better player.

Looks like he throws the body a lot and also turns the puck over a lot.

Svech had better seasons prior to this one and I have no idea why he's been less of a point scorer this year. Clearly a good PP scorer, but he is -5 for a team that is #2 in the conference and has 29 more goals scored than goals against this season.

Boldy doesn't have any years on the negative side of the +/- ledger. Svech has drawn 6 more penalties and tallied a few more PP goals, but also taken 3 more penalties.

Svech is getting 60% offensive zone starts compared to Boldy's <47%, but Boldy is tallying more points this season, and possibly rates as a better 2-way player. Boldy is well ahead on even strength scoring per 60 this season.

Seem like they are pretty even and one could argue either way. In the last 4 years, Svech is +33 with nearly .84 points per game while Boldy is +29 with more than .85 PPG.

 

[M_Nels]

9 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

one could but they would be wrong. Svechnikov is a better player.

Based on what? I think this is a case of thinking anyone's 2nd-3rd FWD is better than what we have because the team is in a rut and Boldy is in somewhat of a slump. Unless you watch every single Canes game and he's a jaw dropper every shift every night I think you're seeing other teams players through rose colored glasses.

I'd rather have Boldy. HOWEVER, Boldy needs to be a tad more consistent and play his style of game and not try to be Kirill. Wish he would use the body a bit more like he did on Stone but Boldy is actually very good on the walls for not being a mauler. 

[RedLake]

Our top 6 isn't going to do squat shit if they do make the playoffs. NoNo, Zuccerallo, Rossi will get rag dolled all over the ice. Move Rossi and NoNo for some Muscle. Zuccerallo can play 4th line and PP1. Bring Jiricek up and trade Merril for future considerations. 

[OldDutchChip]

9 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

Looks like he throws the body a lot and also turns the puck over a lot.

Svech had better seasons prior to this one and I have no idea why he's been less of a point scorer this year. Clearly a good PP scorer, but he is -5 for a team that is #2 in the conference and has 29 more goals scored than goals against this season.

Boldy doesn't have any years on the negative side of the +/- ledger. Svech has drawn 6 more penalties and tallied a few more PP goals, but also taken 3 more penalties.

Svech is getting 60% offensive zone starts compared to Boldy's <47%, but Boldy is tallying more points this season, and possibly rates as a better 2-way player. Boldy is well ahead on even strength scoring per 60 this season.

Seem like they are pretty even and one could argue either way. In the last 4 years, Svech is +33 with nearly .84 points per game while Boldy is +29 with more than .85 PPG.

 

svechnikov is a more physical, more down hill type of a player and has just as much skills as boldy, if not more. yes he needs to control himself a bit more. and avoid Ovi.... and i see all these stats, but they don't take into account the knee injury that he came back from and should be used in tandem to good old eye test.... take out the numbers - and look at the way he plays - you have an amazing talent. it's not going to happen but i'd still take svechnikov any day before boldy. 

[OldDutchChip]

11 minutes ago, M_Nels said:

Based on what? I think this is a case of thinking anyone's 2nd-3rd FWD is better than what we have because the team is in a rut and Boldy is in somewhat of a slump. Unless you watch every single Canes game and he's a jaw dropper every shift every night I think you're seeing other teams players through rose colored glasses.

I'd rather have Boldy. HOWEVER, Boldy needs to be a tad more consistent and play his style of game and not try to be Kirill. Wish he would use the body a bit more like he did on Stone but Boldy is actually very good on the walls for not being a mauler. 

i think you have not seen much of Svechnikov play and have a bit of a bias here (i have seen him play)

but it's good - no one is trading us svechnikov so it's irrelevant

[M_Nels]

4 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

i think you have not seen much of Svechnikov play and have a bit of a bias here (i have seen him play)

but it's good - no one is trading us svechnikov so it's irrelevant

I have not seen him in person no.

[OldDutchChip]

Just now, M_Nels said:

I have not seen him in person no.

sorry you mean - not seen him play or in person "in person"? 🙂

i really was impressed with him when he played us and then started paying attn during canes games and really liked what i saw. maybe the games that i did see was nota good rep of him as a player....

 

[TheGoosesAreLooses]

17 minutes ago, M_Nels said:

I'd rather have Boldy. HOWEVER, Boldy needs to be a tad more consistent and play his style of game and not try to be Kirill. Wish he would use the body a bit more like he did on Stone but Boldy is actually very good on the walls for not being a mauler.

 I completely agree M nels. One thing i would add is Boldy is a year younger, has three less seasons in the NHL and has played more games per year than Svech. Svech habitually tends to be injured 20 games a season. In the future I think Boldy will be a more well rounded player whereas the oft injured Svech will end up as a one dimensional player to avoid getting hurt while playing. One for one trade, this is a loss for us IMO

[mnfaninnc]

11 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

Buffalo is looking to trade Cozens out for Pettersson. They are not looking to move Tuch. They could part with Zucker and his expiring contract.

Buffalo wants to compete for playoffs next year, not go prospect heavy in a full rebuild.

Huck, do you follow Buffalo regularly? I ask because some people have an Eastern Conference team as well as a Western Conference team. Everyone knows the Canes are my EC team. I don't follow them that closely but do follow them. 

It would be interesting to know which guys follow other teams too.

[mnfaninnc]

11 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

Carolina had the balls. Does Bill?

Tlusky also had an ace in the hole, Aho. Since he and Rantanen are good friends he, I'm certain no evidence, consulted with Aho about the possibility of an extension. I would look for an extension coming before the end of the season. 

[Imyourhuckleberry]

6 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

Huck, do you follow Buffalo regularly? I ask because some people have an Eastern Conference team as well as a Western Conference team. Everyone knows the Canes are my EC team. I don't follow them that closely but do follow them. 

It would be interesting to know which guys follow other teams too.

I do not follow them myself.  I went to look at them closely due to all of the Tuch talk here.  Some review of stories on the Athletic regarding trade deadline, some from writers for a Buffalo Sabres site.  What I shared was a short summation of what I was able to find from the folks who do follow the Sabres.  They could be wrong, but I haven't seen a single person affiliated with them discuss trading Tuch.

[mnfaninnc]

11 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

Landy is likely not coming back (at all). Nichushkin might though. 

Even if Landeskog does come back, I think he'll be a shell of himself. Large guy who can't move. Even Reaves will be able to catch him.

[mnfaninnc]

1 minute ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

They could be wrong, but I haven't seen a single person affiliated with them discuss trading Tuch.

Hmmmm, a sneak attack then!

[mnfaninnc]

10 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

We lack skill, size and depth

I'd like to add hunger to win on this list. Watching them play, there is a gear I just never seem to see the team hit. A few individuals do, but not the whole team. 

While I sometimes pick on Zuccarello here, the last 2 games he's upped his game a lot. He doesn't throw the big hits, but he certainly was slipping hits and gaining loose pucks.

[mnfaninnc]

10 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

Clearly a good PP scorer, but he is -5 for a team that is #2 in the conference and has 29 more goals scored than goals against this season.

Canes have had their top goalie out for awhile again this year, and goaltending problems down the line. They play a structured style, so this is 100% on the goaltending. I would consider this not necessarily being Svech's fault and he may have been on the ice during some of these bad goals. 

Svech is a tiger, but my memory seems to think he's been hurt the last couple of years. I really like him as a player, but if I'm trading Boldy, I've got to have a Tkachuk. Svech is at that age where nagging injuries can keep coming. Boldy isn't at that age. I do see availability as an ability.

[M_Nels]

Just now, mnfaninnc said:

While I sometimes pick on Zuccarello here, the last 2 games he's upped his game a lot.

I disagree, he has been a turnover machine. Against CGY he was trying to force and defer on too many passes leading to far too many 1 and dones in the o-zone. Not to mention a lot of them are high slot. They had Ek on that line and he is great behind the net, retrievals and net front, Kirill is no slouch in those departments either. Why not cycle it a little more to sustain more o-zone time?

When Kirill was out he was more assertive with the puck and actually putting pucks on net. When he has an open look he HAS to take it and not try and thread a cross ice or behind the back blind pass that gets intercepted. I wouldn't even be upset if they took him on PP1 for a game.

[mnfaninnc]

45 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

i really was impressed with him when he played us and then started paying attn during canes games and really liked what i saw. maybe the games that i did see was nota good rep of him as a player....

It is. When he's healthy, he's a real handful. Plays the game with skill and grit. He's got a little more fire than Boldy has at this point. If I were a Wild coach, Svechnikov would be some tape I'd be showing Boldy to model his game after. Boldy is big enough and should be strong enough to compete like Svech. Boldy tries to do too much fancy stuff, though instead of making the north simple play and blowing through a defender. I think Svech is also a little more selfish with shots and looks shot first, not to defer. 

[mnfaninnc]

3 minutes ago, M_Nels said:

I disagree, he has been a turnover machine. Against CGY he was trying to force and defer on too many passes leading to far too many 1 and dones in the o-zone. Not to mention a lot of them are high slot. They had Ek on that line and he is great behind the net, retrievals and net front, Kirill is no slouch in those departments either.

His battle level, to me, looked very good. I'll admit, I was not watching the turnovers and will likely have that on my mind next game. You are right on the PP, though, he did turnover a lot there, but so did almost everyone.

[Imyourhuckleberry]

Should we talk about how many grade A opportunities Hartman has setup in the last handful of games? I believe the goalie robbed Jiricek on one of them, but Hartman has made some great passes for teammates to bury with a lot of open goal to shoot at, and has not been rewarded with an assist as often as he probably deserves.