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Dango Verified Member Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I have a feeling Rantanen is going get 12 mill but im no expert on those things. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Strife Verified Member Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) The money the Wild have after signing Kaprizov and Rossi to extensions will tell the tale. I shudder to think spending another $7-8m on either of the Brocks if they have defensive liability. If you can get Nelson for a little cheaper, he at least has that coveted positional flexibility. Edited January 23 by Citizen Strife 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kato AK Verified Member Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 18 minutes ago, Dango said: I have a feeling Rantanen is going get 12 mill but im no expert on those things. I don't think he is signing for less than 14M. Essentially the same player as Dre and a year younger. If the wild can get him for 12m, jump with both feet. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will D. Ness Verified Member Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Definite pass on any Brock other than Faber for 8M. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCMooch Verified Member Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Boeser is a hard pass for me. Nelson I’m not sure. Lots of money tied up to an older player but his size and speed and offense would maybe pay off for Wild 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Brotherbill Verified Member Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, Citizen Strife said: The money the Wild have after signing Kaprizov and Rossi to extensions will tell the tale. I shudder to think spending another $7-8m on either of the Brocks if they have defensive liability. If you can get Nelson for a little cheaper, he at least has that coveted positional flexibility. Rossi is the only one you have to worry about. The cap goes up this year and predicted to go up next year. Zucarello and Bogo come off the books, so there is money next summer to give all the money to Kaprizov. After all he already makes 9 million. Adding the 4.5 million from the two contracts that are expiring will put him at 13.5. If the cap goes up 2 million then 15.5. I doubt they will pay that much for him but who knows. With the Cap going up this year and the dead money they have available they can sign Rossi to 7 to 7.5 and still go for and elite player like Marner or Rantanen. The gloom and doom reports that they have to sign a bunch of people this off season and not having the money after the Kaprizov extension is just not the case. Marat and Rossi are the only ones they need to sign and Marat might be traded to make room for Yurov. I wouldn't like that because I like what Marat does. Next year the roster is going to be surprisingly young in comparison to this year. Ohgren, Yurov, Buium, Jiricek and Wallstedt will be on the roster. All making ELC. Riley Hiedt and Hunter Haight will be knocking on the door from Iowa and Kalem Parker will probably be in the mix. So, there is a lot of money to toss to someone who is due to make a lot of money. They better use that money to buy something young and shiny. Brock Nelson and Brock Boeser are neither young or shiny. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDutchChip Verified Member Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 say no to any more minnesotans just because they are from Minnesota. make a criteria that a player is actually a good fit. neither one of the other brocks is. and they will command around 8 per? yuck here is our "locked" top 6 for next year - where do we have an open spot? I am giving Yurov a top 6 spot - cause it seems destiny. EK YUROV KAPRIZOV BOLDY ZUCCY ROSSI without a trade - who do we bump down? i think i'd maybe bump Ek to 3rd and toss out Freddy? Then look to fill in Ek's vacant spot. That should go to a physical player - reality we need one in our top 6 and it won't be Boeser and Nelson. So i think my top 3 to fill that is Miller (i'd still send Ek for him), Tuch (no core piece dealt) and Rantannen (next year wish list.....HA). I know I know....especially with Ranty it's a lot - but just imagine if we pluck him away from Avs.....about due....right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDutchChip Verified Member Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, TCMooch said: Boeser is a hard pass for me. Nelson I’m not sure. Lots of money tied up to an older player but his size and speed and offense would maybe pay off for Wild yup - i am w ya - little skeptical that this is going to hold true for Nelson as he enters his 34+ year of existence - (let's just be on the safe side and pass) His bursts above 20 mph rank him among the NHL's best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punch_cut Verified Member Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, 1Brotherbill said: Rossi is the only one you have to worry about. The cap goes up this year and predicted to go up next year. Zucarello and Bogo come off the books, so there is money next summer to give all the money to Kaprizov. After all he already makes 9 million. Adding the 4.5 million from the two contracts that are expiring will put him at 13.5. If the cap goes up 2 million then 15.5. I doubt they will pay that much for him but who knows. With the Cap going up this year and the dead money they have available they can sign Rossi to 7 to 7.5 and still go for and elite player like Marner or Rantanen. The gloom and doom reports that they have to sign a bunch of people this off season and not having the money after the Kaprizov extension is just not the case. Marat and Rossi are the only ones they need to sign and Marat might be traded to make room for Yurov. I wouldn't like that because I like what Marat does. Next year the roster is going to be surprisingly young in comparison to this year. Ohgren, Yurov, Buium, Jiricek and Wallstedt will be on the roster. All making ELC. Riley Hiedt and Hunter Haight will be knocking on the door from Iowa and Kalem Parker will probably be in the mix. So, there is a lot of money to toss to someone who is due to make a lot of money. They better use that money to buy something young and shiny. Brock Nelson and Brock Boeser are neither young or shiny. Wallstedt will be done with his ELC. I think it's 2.2 or so per yr staring next yr. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakub K. Verified Member Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I have a huge problem with Boeser at 8M+. His career average has been 31 goals and 67 points in 82 games. If he was regularly posting these numbers, sure, it would be great, I wouldn't mind paying well for that. But he doesn't. Not counting 2016/17 where je played 9 games, he's played 509 games out of possible 584 games. He never plays a full season. I'm all for going for Boeser, but not for more than Boldy money and term. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezig Verified Member Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I'll take one order of speed and size please. Hold the d. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Verified Member Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Great article. I was open to either Brock but at this point I'd pass. Maybe say yes to Nelson on a very cheap 3 year deal... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnhockeyfan03 Verified Member Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Absolutely no to Boeser at any cost. Doesn’t play physical and is a floater player. Dont trade for Nelson this year unless it’s for a future 3rd round pick or later. If you want to sign him next year don’t pay over $3.5m per year with no protection. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredJohnson Verified Member Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Can this Brock skate? (Is he big enough for the playoffs?) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredJohnson Verified Member Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 3 hours ago, Fezig said: Hold the d. 😂 Edited January 24 by FredJohnson Improved 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Abbott Administrator Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 12 hours ago, OldDutchChip said: yup - i am w ya - little skeptical that this is going to hold true for Nelson as he enters his 34+ year of existence - (let's just be on the safe side and pass) His bursts above 20 mph rank him among the NHL's best Same, it's not a bet I'd love making. But if you take care of your body and don't get injured (two big ifs), top players can keep their speed into their 40s. Matt Cullen was still pretty fast at the end. (I wanted to make this point in the article, but the computer ate half of my piece and I had to scramble back). 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pewterschmidt Verified Member Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 45 minutes ago, FredJohnson said: 😂 I will never get tired of "That's what she said" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pewterschmidt Verified Member Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 15 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said: love making That's what she said 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imyourhuckleberry Verified Member Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 16 hours ago, Citizen Strife said: I shudder to think spending another $7-8m on either of the Brocks if they have defensive liability. Well, Johansson is a significant defensive liability without the offense, so Brock Nelson on that line with JEE and Boldy would help a lot, but I certainly would prefer him at $5M, so if he can give a MN discount, I'd happily welcome him in. Edited January 24 by Imyourhuckleberry 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDutchChip Verified Member Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 12 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said: Same, it's not a bet I'd love making. But if you take care of your body and don't get injured (two big ifs), top players can keep their speed into their 40s. Matt Cullen was still pretty fast at the end. (I wanted to make this point in the article, but the computer ate half of my piece and I had to scramble back). yeap makes sense. for some reason i keep thinking nelson had some big injuries (esp to the head), but maybe i'm thinking of another - perhaps larkin - i get em confused. where do you and everyone envision nelson playing next year if we get him? (if we get him this year - he's likely to be signed for few more....) Kap Zuccy Ek Yurov Boldy Rossi (potential FA) Nelson Ohgren - all would want to be top6.... do we pay nelson more than 4MM if he becomes our bottom 6? can he do it in his down years? i would be more excited to get someone like yanni gourde - who is much better fitted for the role that we have for him. him/harty/trenin or foligno would be a good 3rd.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Abbott Administrator Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 I think the goal is to make a top-9, not a top-6/bottom-6. I'd probably explore putting him on Line 2 and moving Eriksson Ek to Line 3, with the option to move Ek back up to defend in crunch time. Like the idea of Boldy as support for Nelson both defensively and from a playmaking winger perspective. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovehockey Verified Member Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I would look at this a little bit differently. The fist line should be Kaprisov-Ek-Boldy. We have solid third and fourth lines. Marat need to signed he is getting better and when he stop being afraid of making mistakes and use his skills he will be even better. So Wild needs to concentrate on the second line only. Does Rossi-Yurov-Ogaden-Zuccarello (and upcoming young players) good enough? If yes wait one more year. If not change something here. I like Alex Touch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imyourhuckleberry Verified Member Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I had no idea that Boesser was a below average skater. I suspected his defense wasn't strong, and he wasn't going to be a big hitter, but 40 goals at age 26 seemed very appealing. I now understand the pushback received when mentioning him. I don't think he would give the Wild enough of a deal on a contract to make it worth bringing him in based upon what's mentioned above. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredJohnson Verified Member Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Pewterschmidt said: That's what she said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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