Article: The Wild Must Exercise Patience With Liam Ohgren

[mnfaninnc]

20 hours ago, FredJohnson said:

I wondered how much OCL pushed GMCF to trade prospects and picks for NHL roster players back in the day. (Or was it GM Ryan Suter?)

I think we all knew that he did. I think it was a promise he made the 2 when he signed them. GMCF was not up to the task of getting the "right" players. I do think Tuch is one of those "right" players now.

Ok, how to get JT Miller here. How about this, we offer futures only, LTIR both Johansson and Spurgeon until April and can then fit the contract in. Spurgy, has an unfortunate accident getting in and out of the ice tub, and we all know about Johansson's concussion history. I'm thinking a pair of 2nds and Heidt.

[Imyourhuckleberry]

27 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

who's suggesting trading out Rossi for this? I know I'm saying strictly futures and maybe a contract. 

ODC has often suggested trading Rossi, in general.

Tuch is on a reasonable deal and in a decent role for Buffalo. I'm not sure how easily the Wild could get him with just futures, but Buffalo has been known to make questionable decisions, so perhaps they can put something together with Ryder Ritchie, Stramel, Kumpalainen, Heidt, Bankier, Ohgren or Wallstedt in the mix.

They have a couple of defensive prospects as well. If they were aggressive in trading prospects, maybe they could work something out.

Tuch leads their forwards in TOI. I just don't know how easily they would part with him. I agree it's not impossible to get him, just a matter of how much they are willing to part with and how much Buffalo sees him as a key part of their team.

The Wild would need to ask themselves whether now is the best time to part with those assets and if Tuch is the best player they can add for the asset mix that would need to be sent. He's not elite, but is a good player on a good deal for now. He would need a new deal after next season if he were added.

[OldDutchChip]

3 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

ODC has often suggested trading Rossi, in general.

Tuch is on a reasonable deal and in a decent role for Buffalo. I'm not sure how easily the Wild could get him with just futures, but Buffalo has been known to make questionable decisions, so perhaps they can put something together with Ryder Ritchie, Stramel, Kumpalainen, Heidt, Bankier, Ohgren or Wallstedt in the mix.

They have a couple of defensive prospects as well. If they were aggressive in trading prospects, maybe they could work something out.

Tuch leads their forwards in TOI. I just don't know how easily they would part with him. I agree it's not impossible to get him, just a matter of how much they are willing to part with and how much Buffalo sees him as a key part of their team.

The Wild would need to ask themselves whether now is the best time to part with those assets and if Tuch is the best player they can add for the asset mix that would need to be sent. He's not elite, but is a good player on a good deal for now. He would need a new deal after next season if he were added.

well just to be fair to ODC, let's share his comments in this very chat - (funny i even said to leave Rossi out, but what can you🤔)

Comment 1

ok so why is it impossible to get Tuch? seriously tell me? If Buffalo says OK

we retain half and another team picks up a 2nd round pick for a mil. 

then we send them one of our picks (not Zeev/Yurov) and a player

IS THERE AN ISSUE HERE?

as for Kap - there is no more patience

Comment 2

buffalo is out of the race, they are likely needing another tear down. they will be keeping their D and their goalie is solid. maybe they are looking to get some solid prospects? let them pick from ANYONE not named Zeev/Yurov. Leave Rossi out. Who knows. It won't hurt to inquire. 

[Imyourhuckleberry]

20 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

Comment 2

buffalo is out of the race, they are likely needing another tear down. they will be keeping their D and their goalie is solid. maybe they are looking to get some solid prospects? let them pick from ANYONE not named Zeev/Yurov. Leave Rossi out.

Yes, I saw that. Buffalo is likely to be looking to sell at the trade deadline, but I don't think they are looking to trade out their top line guys that have future years on their contract like Tuch. Zucker, Greenway, and Cozens are guys it sounds like they would be happy to move.

Tage, Tuch, and McLeod seem like guys they want to keep. They haven't made the playoffs since 2011, so I'm not sure they want to put their fans through another long rebuilding process. Tuch might require quite a bit to pry away this year.

Zucker likely could be added at a much lower asset cost to replace Johansson for 2025. He wouldn't bring the size you want, but may still be an upgrade over NoJo.

Johansson seldom does anything useful on the PP and is outside of the top 300 forwards in 5v5 points per 60. Zucker could deliver both speed and skill.

[OldDutchChip]

Just now, Imyourhuckleberry said:

Yes, I saw that. Buffalo is likely to be looking to sell at the trade deadline, but I don't think they are looking to trade out their top line guys that have future years on their contract like Tuch. Zucker, Greenway, and Cozens are guys it sounds like they would be happy to move.

Tage, Tuch, and McLeod seem like guys they want to keep. They haven't made the playoffs since 2011, so I'm not sure they want to put their fans through another long rebuilding process. Tuch might require quite a bit to pry away this year.

Zucker likely could be added at a much lower asset cost to replace Johansson for 2025. He wouldn't bring the size you want, but may still be an upgrade over NoJo.

Johansson seldom does anything useful on the PP and is outside of the top 300 forwards in 5v5 points per 60. Zucker could deliver both speed and skill.

all you need is a nose in the door, then see what happens. i wouldn't want to miss out on Tuch, just because we made on play on brock nelson. guess we'll see. 

please no on zucker.

[mnfaninnc]

2 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

He's not elite, but is a good player on a good deal for now. He would need a new deal after next season if he were added.

You're right, he's not elite, but he's one type of player we don't currently have, checks all the boxes, and would improve this team this year and in the future. He's a RHS, large bodied, fast wing, with a good shot and some power. Stramel is too far off for us and may not be as good. He is something we don't have in our top 6 but really do need.

I could ride into the playoffs with a Zuccarello-Rossi-Kaprizov line and a Boldy-Ek-Tuch line and I think they'd do some damage. On the top line, intermixing Zuccarello with a double shifter like Foligno or Trenin a couple of times a period might be a good idea and give the guys a little protection. We saw on Monday Trenin can rip a puck. Perhaps there's more there than we realize. Trenin might be a playoff type guy.

[mnfaninnc]

1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

please no on zucker.

I think I'm in this camp too. Zucker doesn't check any boxes. LHS, speed, little grind, disappears in the playoffs. He is an upgrade over Johansson, but we're looking for the right piece and Tuch is that right piece. 

Could you imagine using futures to get Tuch, and LTIR to get Miller? Those 2 additions would be massive. We'd be unloading our cupboard quite a bit, but heading into the playoffs would certainly be interesting. I'm still not sold on Miller yet and there'd need to be some retention, but the rumors I've seen in Vancouver is that they're looking for a top 4 defender. Could Spurgy be that guy outright? I don't think it would be a one for one, but Vancouver might not be on Spurgy's list and we'd probably have to give up a little more but get some salary retention too. 

[Imyourhuckleberry]

6 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

He's a RHS, large bodied, fast wing, with a good shot and some power. Stramel is too far off for us and may not be as good. He is something we don't have in our top 6 but really do need.

I'm mostly just unsure of how much it would take without an established player going back. Would you give up Ohgren, Lambos, and Heidt for Tuch?

 

[mnfaninnc]

Just now, Imyourhuckleberry said:

I'm mostly just unsure of how much it would take without an established player going back. Would you give up Ohgren, Lambos, and Heidt for Tuch?

I think I was thinking a couple of 2nds and Heidt. You could also, if Lambos is ready, do something like Chizzy, Ohgren or Heidt, and a 2nd filling the player+prospect+pick equation most go for. Chizzy would help their defense. I like Lambos better, I think he's a little thicker and will be cheap longer.

[OldDutchChip]

10 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

I think I'm in this camp too. Zucker doesn't check any boxes. LHS, speed, little grind, disappears in the playoffs. He is an upgrade over Johansson, but we're looking for the right piece and Tuch is that right piece. 

Could you imagine using futures to get Tuch, and LTIR to get Miller? Those 2 additions would be massive. We'd be unloading our cupboard quite a bit, but heading into the playoffs would certainly be interesting. I'm still not sold on Miller yet and there'd need to be some retention, but the rumors I've seen in Vancouver is that they're looking for a top 4 defender. Could Spurgy be that guy outright? I don't think it would be a one for one, but Vancouver might not be on Spurgy's list and we'd probably have to give up a little more but get some salary retention too. 

careful there - dare not to dream - dreams lead to disappointments 🙂

 

[mnfaninnc]

2 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

careful there - dare not to dream - dreams lead to disappointments 🙂

Well, Spurgy's back so it looks like that balloon popped!

[MacGyver]

I read the Caps are in on Nelson as well. Unbelievable to think the Caps could be in the running for the Presidents trophy this year. I'm not sold on bringing in Nelson. He's 33 years old and ready for a new contract. One thing we don't need is to make this team older and probably overpaying a 33 year old on a new contract. There has to be a better deal to be had out there.  He is sitting on 28 points in 46 games this year and he has always been inconsistent. Never been a 40 goal scorer in his career. 

But he's 6'4 205lbs which seems to be coveted above all else on this board in particular. Russo says Billy has identified him as a target which makes me fear Billy will overstep and give another aging veteran too much time and money with a full NTC/NMC. I think we can do better. 

[OldDutchChip]

2 hours ago, MacGyver said:

I read the Caps are in on Nelson as well. Unbelievable to think the Caps could be in the running for the Presidents trophy this year. I'm not sold on bringing in Nelson. He's 33 years old and ready for a new contract. One thing we don't need is to make this team older and probably overpaying a 33 year old on a new contract. There has to be a better deal to be had out there.  He is sitting on 28 points in 46 games this year and he has always been inconsistent. Never been a 40 goal scorer in his career. 

But he's 6'4 205lbs which seems to be coveted above all else on this board in particular. Russo says Billy has identified him as a target which makes me fear Billy will overstep and give another aging veteran too much time and money with a full NTC/NMC. I think we can do better. 

Nope on Nelson for me as well. 

[Imyourhuckleberry]

18 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

Chizzy, Ohgren or Heidt, and a 2nd filling the player+prospect+pick equation most go for. Chizzy would help their defense. I like Lambos better, I think he's a little thicker and will be cheap longer.

I would absolutely do Chisholm, Heidt and a 2nd round pick, but that deal is light on Buffalo's end. If we would absolutely do it, it means it probably isn't close to something they would do. They might consider Chisholm, Ohgren, and Heidt.

I agree I'd rather keep Lambos than Chisholm. I don't know that Buffalo would do any deal that doesn't include Rossi, Ohgren, Yurov, Buium or Wallstedt.

Tuch is a 1st line productive winger for them with size. Can you imagine trading Boldy for two late 2nd round picks and a 5'10" prospect selected at the end of round 2 a couple of years ago?

[mnfaninnc]

36 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

I would absolutely do Chisholm, Heidt and a 2nd round pick, but that deal is light on Buffalo's end. If we would absolutely do it, it means it probably isn't close to something they would do. They might consider Chisholm, Ohgren, and Heidt.

Are you suggesting Chisholm, Ohgren, and Heidt with no picks? Or does it include a 2nd? Usually the formula is P+P+P, but I could see P+2P+P.