Article: The Wild Must Exercise Patience With Liam Ohgren

[Robert Brent]

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[Pewterschmidt]

We fans don’t have a choice not to be patient.  How patient will Guerin be?   He’s got to send assets away in order to get top 6rs back.  Is ogz an expendable asset?  I say yes

#hot take

[Imyourhuckleberry]

25 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

How patient will Guerin be?   He’s got to send assets away in order to get top 6rs back.

I would guess that patient teams end up with more assets to make moves when they truly need them--the Wild winning a cup this year doesn't seem possible, so trading for a more interesting team today doesn't excite me. Teams that try to accelerate their success often fail to reach the ultimate goal when they run out of assets to make a move to put them over the top.

Ohgren could be part of a trade at some point, but he has a really bright future and may end up more productive in a couple of years than guys you could trade him for right now.

The Wild currently have a pipeline of prospects that could improve the team along with cap space to do so. Trading assets now for players the Wild could get in the offseason doesn't seem like the best way to maximize assets for future years.

Yes, I'm always fearful of the next Hanzal deal. That deal made the team worse in both the season he was obtained and in future years. Dallas selected both Jake Oettinger and Jason Robertson with picks that occurred later than the 1st round selection the Wild traded away in that 2017 draft.

[FredJohnson]

Oh boy…can’t wait for the stoopid comments.

[Citizen Strife]

*Prospect has a bad game*

BAH THEY ARE SHIT, THEY ARE BAD, THE WILD ARE BAD

*Prospect rebounds*

KEEP THIS GUY HE"S GONNA BE GOOD, JUST YOU WAIT..but don't pay him a lot of money.

[FredJohnson]

3 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

*Prospect has a bad game*

BAH THEY ARE SHIT, THEY ARE BAD, THE WILD ARE BAD

*Prospect rebounds*

KEEP THIS GUY HE"S GONNA BE GOOD, JUST YOU WAIT..but don't pay him a lot of money.

This would be REALLY funny if it weren’t an accurate summary of many comments on here. 😳

Edited 11 hours ago by FredJohnson
I’m stoopid

[Willy the poor boy]

6 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

*Prospect has a bad game*

BAH THEY ARE SHIT, THEY ARE BAD, THE WILD ARE BAD

*Prospect rebounds*

KEEP THIS GUY HE"S GONNA BE GOOD, JUST YOU WAIT..but don't pay him a lot of money.

Don't look now but Charlie may be finding his groove. Wouldn't that be nice...

The Wild prospect pool is looking pretty good again to go along with a team that's outperforming expectations yet again despite a myriad of injuries yet again. Go Wild!!

Stramel is finding the net and his teammates, may just be the big man's skates and IQ are catching up with his body.

Buium is making a historic run for Consecutive 50 point seasons for a college Dman which has not been done for 2 1/2 decades.

Yurov (who likely has been getting his minutes cut to develop youngsters who will replace him) should be a top 6 forward sooner rather than later.

Ang Ogzie has looked good in his recent stint at IA and with the Wild. The future looks bright, don't blow it up BG. And for those saying the Wild need to get bigger well thats in the pipeline and looking like it could happen soon with the Oger and Charlie...

 

[M_Nels]

1 minute ago, Willy the poor boy said:

Buium is making a historic run for Consecutive 50 point seasons for a college Dman which has not been done for 2 1/2 decades.

Could end up being the biggest steal for the Wild since Kaprizov.

[Willy the poor boy]

1 minute ago, M_Nels said:

Could end up being the biggest steal for the Wild since Kaprizov.

I couldn't believe he fell to us! Their loss is our gain...

[IllicitFive]

23 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

This would be REALLY funny if it weren’t an accurate summary of many comments on here. 😳

But, but, we can't wait for possible prospects, we must win now. Trade everyone, prospects are garbage, Bill G is incompetent. He hasn't exploded onto the scene yet so he will never get there. (This is tongue in cheek to clarify). Just wanted to get ahead of the game on this.

But seriously, confidence is huge for players, if you are playing with doubt and tentative, worried about making a mistake and gripping stick too tight, thinking instead of playing you aren't going to make it. I don't expect him to be a 50/50 guy, but as others have pointed out, looks better than a number of guys currently on roster.  Hopefully a few more games like he had against the Avs will solidify the idea he belongs and can play at this level. Even if he gets sent down the message of what needs to be worked on may hit differently, a way to improve versus how to get a shot. He is 20, almost 21, doesn't even have big boy strength and mentality yet. Deep breath both ways, lets see what happens but a good step in the right direction.

[Pewterschmidt]

51 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

the Wild winning a cup this year doesn't seem possible, so trading for a more interesting team today doesn't excite me.

I agree a trade wouldn't be for a run this season.  But a trade involving Ogz as part of a package (TDL or Off-season more likely) would be to get 97 a legit top 6 NHL linemate.  And if you believe our pipeline is full of can't miss NHL'rs well you can't pay them all so might as well flip the lower end prospects for assets that can play now. I'm with ODC on this one, if 97 walks this org. goes back to the Wes Walz/Mikko Koivu "little engine that could" and no one wants to go back to that.

[Imyourhuckleberry]

26 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

I'm with ODC on this one, if 97 walks this org. goes back to the Wes Walz/Mikko Koivu "little engine that could" and no one wants to go back to that.

Well, ODC's idea is to trade for a top 6 player in-season, and nearly all high-end players are signed to a contract the Wild cannot fit under their cap unless they pay extra to have others retain salary and include some of their small contract, highly promising young players.

I'm all for going all out to retain Kaprizov and/or sign Rantanen in the summer and I think the Wild have a strong situation to do that. I just don't see a lot of opportunity to make a move in-season, and since it would cost future assets, I'd be compelled to wait until the summer to completely set the path forward.

They've been building towards 2025 for years now and I don't see a good path to adding a major talent at the trade deadline when the Wild have less than $1M in cap space to work with. Virtually every fan and everyone in the organization wants Kaprizov to stick around. I just think the team they can build around him will be better if they are patient and make their improvements in the summer.

If they get creative and make something happen, I'll probably be in favor of it, but it's hard to see what they can do that will make them better in 2025 and beyond.

[OldDutchChip]

1 hour ago, FredJohnson said:

Oh boy…can’t wait for the stoopid comments.

hi stupid

[OldDutchChip]

2 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

Well, ODC's idea is to trade for a top 6 player in-season, and nearly all high-end players are signed to a contract the Wild cannot fit under their cap unless they pay extra to have others retain salary and include some of their small contract, highly promising young players.

I'm all for going all out to retain Kaprizov and/or sign Rantanen in the summer and I think the Wild have a strong situation to do that. I just don't see a lot of opportunity to make a move in-season, and since it would cost future assets, I'd be compelled to wait until the summer to completely set the path forward.

They've been building towards 2025 for years now and I don't see a good path to adding a major talent at the trade deadline when the Wild have less than $1M in cap space to work with. Virtually every fan and everyone in the organization wants Kaprizov to stick around. I just think the team they can build around him will be better if they are patient and make their improvements in the summer.

If they get creative and make something happen, I'll probably be in favor of it, but it's hard to see what they can do that will make them better in 2025 and beyond.

ok so why is it impossible to get Tuch? seriously tell me? If Buffalo says OK

we retain half and another team picks up a 2nd round pick for a mil. 

then we send them one of our picks (not Zeev/Yurov) and a player

IS THERE AN ISSUE HERE?

as for Kap - there is no more patience

[OldDutchChip]

45 minutes ago, IllicitFive said:

But, but, we can't wait for possible prospects, we must win now. Trade everyone, prospects are garbage, Bill G is incompetent. He hasn't exploded onto the scene yet so he will never get there. (This is tongue in cheek to clarify). Just wanted to get ahead of the game on this.

But seriously, confidence is huge for players, if you are playing with doubt and tentative, worried about making a mistake and gripping stick too tight, thinking instead of playing you aren't going to make it. I don't expect him to be a 50/50 guy, but as others have pointed out, looks better than a number of guys currently on roster.  Hopefully a few more games like he had against the Avs will solidify the idea he belongs and can play at this level. Even if he gets sent down the message of what needs to be worked on may hit differently, a way to improve versus how to get a shot. He is 20, almost 21, doesn't even have big boy strength and mentality yet. Deep breath both ways, lets see what happens but a good step in the right direction.

go build a statue for Zeev then, i'm not stopping you. 

might be wise to wait and see first.....but sure go ahead

Wally turned out a stud and Ohgren immediately became a staple in our top 6

 

[M_Nels]

15 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

go build a statue for Zeev then, i'm not stopping you. 

might be wise to wait and see first.....but sure go ahead

Wally turned out a stud and Ohgren immediately became a staple in our top 6

 

ODC I'm in somewhat of agreement here, don't crown him as a savoir on the backend before he sees NHL ice but it's not just people here that are high on him immediately making an impact as soon as college season is over.

HOWEVER, he's not going to be worse than Merrill and will compete hard for a spot with Chisholm straight out of the gate so at worst he's 3rd pair. I could honestly see Chisholm as bait for a trade coming up with Buium coming in hot. 

[Imyourhuckleberry]

18 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

ok so why is it impossible to get Tuch? seriously tell me? If Buffalo says OK

we retain half and another team picks up a 2nd round pick for a mil. 

I'm not saying it's impossible to get Tuch, but if the Wild trade out Rossi(who has more goals and more assists) and a 2nd round pick to do that, how much better does that actually make the Wild?

Tuch is a solid player and I'd be happy to have him on the team, but Buffalo isn't going to give him away for free, or straight up for Trenin.

 

[OldDutchChip]

2 minutes ago, M_Nels said:

ODC I'm in somewhat of agreement here, don't crown him as a savoir on the backend before he sees NHL ice but it's not just people here that are high on him immediately making an impact as soon as college season is over.

HOWEVER, he's not going to be worse than Merrill and will compete hard for a spot with Chisholm straight out of the gate so at worst he's 3rd pair. I could honestly see Chisholm as bait for a trade coming up with Buium coming in hot. 

i am cautiously optimistic he is good, but let's pump the breaks a bit. many teams have past on him. why? are all of them idiots? and we the only smart ones? 

we've seen it before (steal of the draft....yeap)  - agree with ya - let's wait and see

For all the shit he gets, Merrill stepped up yesterday and did the dirty work for us and we got out with a W. No one will write about that but they really should. He has been solid recently. 

Agree on Chissy being out. I really like him but i suppose you can replace him with Zeev and let him be the PP specialist and ease him in playing 3rd pair "light" minutes. 

[IllicitFive]

23 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

go build a statue for Zeev then, i'm not stopping you. 

might be wise to wait and see first.....but sure go ahead

Wally turned out a stud and Ohgren immediately became a staple in our top 6

 

Dude, read things, direct quote from me you couldn't comprehend

"Deep breath both ways, lets see what happens but a good step in the right direction."

Sky isn't falling, he isn't the next great one. Just wait and see, trajectory seems positive. Deep breaths

[OldDutchChip]

6 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

I'm not saying it's impossible to get Tuch, but if the Wild trade out Rossi(who has more goals and more assists) and a 2nd round pick to do that, how much better does that actually make the Wild?

Tuch is a solid player and I'd be happy to have him on the team, but Buffalo isn't going to give him away for free, or straight up for Trenin.

 

buffalo is out of the race, they are likely needing another tear down. they will be keeping their D and their goalie is solid. maybe they are looking to get some solid prospects? let them pick from ANYONE not named Zeev/Yurov. Leave Rossi out. Who knows. It won't hurt to inquire. 

[Willy the poor boy]

23 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

go build a statue for Zeev then, i'm not stopping you. 

 

 

Anyone that wants to help me, feel free. We can do it in my garage... No dope or LSD though, but a couple of quarts of beer is fine...

[FredJohnson]

37 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

hi stupid

Hi Mr. Dunning-Kruger!

[FredJohnson]

2 minutes ago, Willy the poor boy said:

Anyone that wants to help me, feel free. We can do it in my garage... No dope or LSD though, but a couple of quarts of beer is fine...

Actual size or Vegas scaled? Asking for an Old Dutch Dlck.

[FredJohnson]

12 minutes ago, IllicitFive said:

Dude, read things, direct quote from me you couldn't comprehend

"Deep breath both ways, lets see what happens but a good step in the right direction."

Sky isn't falling, he isn't the next great one. Just wait and see, trajectory seems positive. Deep breaths

Comprehension isn’t in ODD’s top-5 strengths.

[FredJohnson]

43 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

as for Kap - there is no more patience

How the F do you know? It’s crap comments like this that mucks up comments amongst rational fans.