Article: Revenge Wasn't A Good Look For the Wild

[SkolWild73]

12 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

I just looked it up and Rossi only has 6 points in 15 games against playoff teams in the west.  That’s not getting it done and a reason why we are struggling against those teams.  

And Kap has played in 9 games against west playoff opponents and has 4 points, so guess he is the problem too??  

[Patrick]

11 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

Yes Brady is out. Then try for Tuch. Tell Spurge to sit his ass out and get the injury $. If Kap comes back - we should be get it fine. Get Tuch in, bring Spurge and tell Ek to deliver punishment, instead of receiving it. And hope Boldy ramps up his game....but i am not sure - i think my earlier post about potential swap of Boldy and Svechnikov.....that's very enticing and one i'd look out for.

Exactly! Tuch's size, speed and skill have dragged Buffalo all the way....to the bottom of the Eastern Conference Standings! The same Eastern Conference that some dimwits claim is soft and easy and the only reason Rossi has any points...😂😂😂😂

[Protec]

The Wild have no identity. AGAIN…

 

[IllicitFive]

18 minutes ago, Protec said:

The Wild have no identity. AGAIN…

 

If they were fully healthy I think they do have an identity. A defensively sound team that is a pain to play against. (This has been said by other teams). Missing 3, now 2 of your top 4 defenders puts a major pin in that style of play. Missing Kap removes the star power and offensive punch. The Wild also are a transition team, score off the rush, try to catch guys out of position or create out numbered opportunities. Maybe I am not understanding, what identity would you like to see? How do they get there?

[Citizen Strife]

Let's not forget that even with the best players, they are still playing a McDavid/Matthews/Drasaitl or for our teams purposes a Faber/Ek's worth of money down.  I don't know about you, but having another Faber and Ek would be kinda nice depth right about now.

And yes, I get the, "That money's just going to Kap, Rossi, and Faber anyway."  What that means is those are three players you don't have to shop for elsewhere with said money.  I don't know about anyone else, but I'd kinda like having a 100-pt superstar, a 70-pt center, and a beast two way guy accounted for in my budget for years without worrying about whatever else is going on first.

Edited Monday at 03:23 PM by Citizen Strife

[M_Nels]

57 minutes ago, Patrick said:

The same Eastern Conference that some dimwits claim is soft and easy and the only reason Rossi has any points...😂😂😂😂

But wait..there's more. Carolina has the coveted Svech that Rossi had 4pts against. And the tying goal against the Caps that have Wilson, Ovechkin, Strome etc.

Lets face it, the West is tough and whoever makes it out will probably win the but the narrative of Rossi being the sole reason the Wild don't perform against the West needs to die.

[OldDutchChip]

3 hours ago, IllicitFive said:

Haha haven't you learned that on this site top 50 scoring doesn't matter unless 6ft 2in 225 and a goon? If they can't bully then they can't play. Scoring is secondary. 

when you play for the cup, scoring is harder and being a finesse team, relying on smaller/softer guys to lead you, is a recipe for quick exit. Yes, you do need to bully people. Yes, you do need to have strength in your top 6. 

 

[OldDutchChip]

3 hours ago, IllicitFive said:

So we trade Rossi ek boldy brodin surge let go of zucc, moose (age can't skate) trenin(not enough skill) khus, and replace them all with free agents? Let's be honest you might package all of that plus draft picks to get a tkachuk, maybe tkachuk plus. Congrats you now have a team of castoffs and will be worse than Chicago. Now if you argue good, new culture can draft those 6ft 2in angry guys. Great they need to develop and if they fall flat easy cut. I am sure you'd be much happier watching a team lose 75 percent of their games as long as they play the way you want. I don't think people quite understand how rare big tough highly skilled guys are. 

yeaaap that's what i was suggesting..... i think if you actually took the time to read my post vs just picking out keywords, it may make sense. 

 

 

[Patrick]

5 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

when you play for the cup, scoring is harder and being a finesse team, relying on smaller/softer guys to lead you, is a recipe for quick exit. Yes, you do need to bully people. Yes, you do need to have strength in your top 6. 

 

Exactly. Look at Florida they are...(Checks notes) Exactly the same size as the Wild!

[OldDutchChip]

31 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

Let's not forget that even with the best players, they are still playing a McDavid/Matthews/Drasaitl or for our teams purposes a Faber/Ek's worth of money down.  I don't know about you, but having another Faber and Ek would be kinda nice depth right about now.

And yes, I get the, "That money's just going to Kap, Rossi, and Faber anyway."  What that means is those are three players you don't have to shop for elsewhere with said money.  I don't know about anyone else, but I'd kinda like having a 100-pt superstar, a 70-pt center, and a beast two way guy accounted for in my budget for years without worrying about whatever else is going on first.

kinda like having a 100-pt superstar, a 70-pt center, and a beast two way guy accounted for in my budget for years without worrying about whatever else is going on first. stop with this idiocy. its all peachy and rosy. its not. your superstar will walk should you back track or if you allow him to get run down like before.

A 70 pt center? Rossi? The one that just did the omg slide when someone try to check him? That's going to happen EVERY time during PO. How is he going to protect Kap?

Beast two way guy? Who????? EK? he has 7 goals and he cannot flip the physicality onto the other player, he can just absorb it.

Why don't you all want an actual winner? Being satisfying with just good enough....whatever, be happy with mediocracy. I just hope Billy is different and acts. I think he will. Again one of Ek, Boldy or Rossi is out. Funny it's Rossi that I think has the it factor, but is limited by stature, the other two are just meh. I'd prefer Boldy.

[OldDutchChip]

15 minutes ago, M_Nels said:

But wait..there's more. Carolina has the coveted Svech that Rossi had 4pts against. And the tying goal against the Caps that have Wilson, Ovechkin, Strome etc.

Lets face it, the West is tough and whoever makes it out will probably win the but the narrative of Rossi being the sole reason the Wild don't perform against the West needs to die.

did Rossi play Svech 1x1? what is the point? you think Svechnikov is NOT worth 3 Rossi's? delusional 

Edited Monday at 04:00 PM by OldDutchChip

[OldDutchChip]

10 minutes ago, Patrick said:

Exactly. Look at Florida they are...(Checks notes) Exactly the same size as the Wild!

who cares about the size? last time i checked they had a finesse team that did pretty good but wasn't build for PO, so they shipped out a 100pt player and got that meanness that was missing in Tkachuk. Do we have his equivalent in Top 6? 

[Citizen Strife]

I meant Faber as the two way defenseman.  Hence why I specified, "Kap, Rossi, and Faber" earlier.  Ek was mentioned later.

You know, if you want a team "ready to win every single year", Vegas has the backing of the commissioner.

Oh wait, Vegas doesn't win every Stanley Cup either...it's almostt like winning is hard or something 

 

Edited Monday at 04:11 PM by Citizen Strife

[OldDutchChip]

1 hour ago, Patrick said:

Exactly! Tuch's size, speed and skill have dragged Buffalo all the way....to the bottom of the Eastern Conference Standings! The same Eastern Conference that some dimwits claim is soft and easy and the only reason Rossi has any points...😂😂😂😂

yes Sabres are struggling in part because they are not as skilled as our team and do not have a Kaprizov. if you are able to have both - skill and physicality in your top 6 - then you have something special. see previous winners for the last 7 years. they have exactly that. 

[OldDutchChip]

5 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

I meant Faber as the two way defenseman.  Hence why I specified, "Kap, Rossi, and Faber" earlier.  Ek was mentioned later.

You know, if you want a team "ready to win every single year", Vegas has the backing of the commissioner.

Oh wait, Vegas doesn't win every Stanley Cup either...it's almostt like winning is hard or something 

 

yeah it's been very challenging for Vegas indeed. poor Vegas. 

[Pewterschmidt]

22 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

Funny it's Rossi that I think has the it factor, but is limited by stature

I’m beginning to think the same.  Does he get neutralized in post season?  Yes.  But this kid has won me over.  I hope he gets a three year bridge deal.  No thanks to an 8x8 just yet

[Patrick]

19 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

who cares about the size? last time i checked they had a finesse team that did pretty good but wasn't build for PO, so they shipped out a 100pt player and got that meanness that was missing in Tkachuk. Do we have his equivalent in Top 6? 

I would say you are OBSESSED with size based on your post history.

[Patrick]

16 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

yes Sabres are struggling in part because they are not as skilled as our team and do not have a Kaprizov. if you are able to have both - skill and physicality in your top 6 - then you have something special. see previous winners for the last 7 years. they have exactly that. 

Tuch has fewer goals and fewer assists than Rossi while playing in the "soft" Eastern Conference.  You are about as consistent as our MN weather. 😂😂😂

[OldDutchChip]

Just now, Pewterschmidt said:

I’m beginning to think the same.  Does he get neutralized in post season?  Yes.  But this kid has won me over.  I hope he gets a three year bridge deal.  No thanks to an 8x8 just yet

yeah he has the drive, he has some of the p. kane, some st. louis, some pierre mark.... but he cannot be your dog. i think 5Y X 6$ is a good number for him. he slowed down now after Kap was injured and has to know of his own limitation. 

Current Availability

• Kap (and Zuccy by association) are untouchable
• Rossi is next one - yeah i know, sounds weird
• EK/Boldy (MJ?) are the available for the right price and the right time

Prospect Availability

• Zeev and Yurov are untouchable
• Wally and the rest are available

[OldDutchChip]

1 minute ago, Patrick said:

Tuch has fewer goals and fewer assists than Rossi while playing in the "soft" Eastern Conference.  You are about as consistent as our MN weather. 😂😂😂

show me where i said East is soft? 

And does the amount of goals equate to physicality? 

 

[M_Nels]

23 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

yes Sabres are struggling in part because they are not as skilled as our team and do not have a Kaprizov.

Oh that's rich

[OldDutchChip]

Just now, M_Nels said:

Oh that's rich

that's a reality. do they have a superstar? 

[IllicitFive]

48 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

when you play for the cup, scoring is harder and being a finesse team, relying on smaller/softer guys to lead you, is a recipe for quick exit. Yes, you do need to bully people. Yes, you do need to have strength in your top 6. 

 

And if you can't score or keep up with other teams speed then you won't even make the playoffs. So since you mentioned Ek and Boldy as guys to remove is it safe to assume you don't like anyone in our top 6 except for Kap? Where are you going to find 5 guys to fit your mold?  If you were a GM would you trade those guys to the wild for any of our top 6? Or let them walk in FA?

[IllicitFive]

31 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

yes Sabres are struggling in part because they are not as skilled as our team and do not have a Kaprizov. if you are able to have both - skill and physicality in your top 6 - then you have something special. see previous winners for the last 7 years. they have exactly that. 

Talking like that is super easy to achieve. Who would you go get? What do you give up? Cap space? Injury insurance? Keep it real, I saw your Svech for Boldy trade, would you do that if you had Svech to get Boldy? If not what would need to be added? GM's aren't dumb, its not a video game where you can force trades. Think Buffalo just can't wait to unload Tuch? He will cost a decent amount because of how rare he is, not to mention out bidding other suitors. 

Also your idea of "Boldy or Ek should have made Foresberg fight" just doesn't make sense. If they don't drop the gloves now you are on a PK, and for what? Nothing, there are reasons only certain players fight, there is a code. There are plenty of books and documentaries about fighting in hockey and how it works, some interesting stuff there. Otherwise why not have the 4th liners constantly fight Kap to keep him in the box?

[OldDutchChip]

6 minutes ago, IllicitFive said:

And if you can't score or keep up with other teams speed then you won't even make the playoffs. So since you mentioned Ek and Boldy as guys to remove is it safe to assume you don't like anyone in our top 6 except for Kap? Where are you going to find 5 guys to fit your mold?  If you were a GM would you trade those guys to the wild for any of our top 6? Or let them walk in FA?

if your goal is to make the playoffs - proceed as is, kap leaves, bring in brock and you will get your wish, a consistent wild card team. but one that is "one-of-us/minnesotans" just the way i suppose you like it?

if your goal is to win a SC - evaluate your roster and ensure it aligns with Kaprizov, and do it as soon as you see a need, as we are entering the most crucial time. Kaprizov needs to get out of 1st round this year and still in one piece. There is no one on the horizon that will help. Bottom line - to get out - Billy needs to change top 6. 

Pick a route then.