Article: Wild Call Out Connor McDavid For Dirty Play

[OldDutchChip]

1 minute ago, mnfaninnc said:

Let's review:

Kaprizov hit with knee to knee or thigh contact last time we played this team.

Faber out due to a hit with an elbow during St. Louis game.

Spurgeon slew footed into the boards, out 2-3 weeks (traded with a 3 game suspension for the perpetrator. 

Brodin was hit in the foot by a shot, nothing nefarious here.

Who knows what happened to Lauko.

Do we need any reason on our home ice to meltdown once a guy gets elbowed in the jaw? I would think that would be the time for enough is enough, but who knows, maybe we haven't hit bottom on the injury due to chippy play yet. You know who would take this crap? A Tkachuk!

no you are wrong! we need granlund back. he will ensure we remain calm and composed. 😉

fully agree with you. how much more do we need? before that we had kap, before him staal. and we did NOTHING. 

so yeah - that is why you get Tuch. that is why players like him are coveted because of how they play. 

Neither Ek nor Boldy is stepping up and there is absolute necessity to have at least one guy who can inject some nasty in the top 6. They don't often become available or have a chance to become available so that is why you go for it.

[mnfaninnc]

Just for the record, I was also an Ironhead Earnhardt fan, and respected any basketball player who made a team pay with his allotment of fouls (no little reach ins, the guy hit the floor and he argues for a charge).

I watched Joaquin Andujar on the mound throw a retaliatory pitch just over an Astro player's head. The Astro player made the mistake of charging the mound, Andujar calmly laid his mitt on the ground with his hat on top and dropped him. 

I became a Seeler fan when he saw his teammate get blasted on the boards from behind, didn't wait for a referee's call, defended his teammate and dropped him with one punch.

You have to have guys like this on a championship squad. Guys who just won't take and crap. Guys who referees know if you don't call it immediately, you will regret swallowing your whistle. Suddenly these same referees who have 3 blind mice played for them by the organ guy have 20/20 vision. And don't think that player doesn't warn the officials before going crazy, sometimes they absolutely do.

[OldDutchChip]

13 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

Just for the record, I was also an Ironhead Earnhardt fan, and respected any basketball player who made a team pay with his allotment of fouls (no little reach ins, the guy hit the floor and he argues for a charge).

I watched Joaquin Andujar on the mound throw a retaliatory pitch just over an Astro player's head. The Astro player made the mistake of charging the mound, Andujar calmly laid his mitt on the ground with his hat on top and dropped him. 

I became a Seeler fan when he saw his teammate get blasted on the boards from behind, didn't wait for a referee's call, defended his teammate and dropped him with one punch.

You have to have guys like this on a championship squad. Guys who just won't take and crap. Guys who referees know if you don't call it immediately, you will regret swallowing your whistle. Suddenly these same referees who have 3 blind mice played for them by the organ guy have 20/20 vision. And don't think that player doesn't warn the officials before going crazy, sometimes they absolutely do.

haha nice

well if wild feel like they need to get a vet, i'm sure billy can work his connection and get geno here to keep order

 

[Protec]

I did like Seeler. Prosser replacement quality was immense and toughness, not lacking. GMBG let him and Bjugstad go and I preferred those players over NoJos or Dermotts all day long. At that time MN was plugging holes with lesser guys like Pateryn, Hunt, Bartowski, Addison, Belpedio, etc. on defense. 

In place of Bjugstad, MN used Dewar, Petan, Justin, Beckman, Reaves, and Fred, who aren't all bad but MN is small and soft still. Just the way it is. We need a guy who will take a suspension so teams know that's on the table. 

That's why I've wanted Frederic or Trenin type guys. It's just weird too cause once here, MN pulls back on the reigns shuts down the killer instincts. At least with Reaves, they didn't use him much in his role cause he didn't have any other good NHL qualities. 

If you asked me MN still has a roster construction problem. Not a big huge one, but one that shows whenever MN has an opportunity to be tougher or meaner or more resilient to physically challenging hockey. Or the kind of hockey that frustrates stars like McDavid, Kucherov, even Kaprizov who can be bullied or bumped off their game. Ask yourself when MN has ever done that??? When we had Matt Cooke. Let that sink in. We aren't gonna go win a Cup with a bunch of little Euros and flopper-chokers. 

[IllicitFive]

So the common theme seems to be "wild not tough, fight more, take cheap shots "eye for an eye", hit everything that moves". They are 5th in the league in fights with 14. 1 through 6 are Bruins, Preds, flames, Devils, Wild, Jackets. The most points among them? Wild at 58, Devils have 57, the rest, well look at the standings. Also hits per game seem to be an inverse of standings. More hits when lower in standings with a few outliers such as the panthers at 1 and leafs at 6. For hits wild are at 19, which is more than those soft nobody teams like the Jets, Knights, Avs, Stars, Oilers, Caps, and Canes.....

Missing top 3 defenseman, Kap, and Lauko with NO CAP SPACE LEFT, you now want to have players take runs, cheap shots "eye for eye" that has been mentioned and possibly face suspensions? Great now with injuries, no cap space and suspensions you have a team with a short bench that will have an even harder time trying to get through this stretch of injuries let alone winning games, yeah that will show em. 

Its not the 70s or 80s anymore, that's 40 to 50 years ago. The idea of moose running down and punishing McDavid or Drai is impossible, they are considered 2 of the best, McD being one of if not the fastest player in the league. When has ANYONE had a clean shot on them? If they have, its super rare, for a reason.  You can't force someone to fight either, takes two to tango, so what if Moose tries to drop em with McD after the hit and he doesn't drop em? That's a penalty, probably not the best position to be in.  I am sure many won't agree here but reality is things happen, injuries happen, cheap shots happen, to all teams. Since the Jets and Avs are so soft, don't fight, don't hit, why aren't they getting cheap shotted all the time? 

[OldDutchChip]

23 minutes ago, IllicitFive said:

So the common theme seems to be "wild not tough, fight more, take cheap shots "eye for an eye", hit everything that moves". They are 5th in the league in fights with 14. 1 through 6 are Bruins, Preds, flames, Devils, Wild, Jackets. The most points among them? Wild at 58, Devils have 57, the rest, well look at the standings. Also hits per game seem to be an inverse of standings. More hits when lower in standings with a few outliers such as the panthers at 1 and leafs at 6. For hits wild are at 19, which is more than those soft nobody teams like the Jets, Knights, Avs, Stars, Oilers, Caps, and Canes.....

Missing top 3 defenseman, Kap, and Lauko with NO CAP SPACE LEFT, you now want to have players take runs, cheap shots "eye for eye" that has been mentioned and possibly face suspensions? Great now with injuries, no cap space and suspensions you have a team with a short bench that will have an even harder time trying to get through this stretch of injuries let alone winning games, yeah that will show em. 

Its not the 70s or 80s anymore, that's 40 to 50 years ago. The idea of moose running down and punishing McDavid or Drai is impossible, they are considered 2 of the best, McD being one of if not the fastest player in the league. When has ANYONE had a clean shot on them? If they have, its super rare, for a reason.  You can't force someone to fight either, takes two to tango, so what if Moose tries to drop em with McD after the hit and he doesn't drop em? That's a penalty, probably not the best position to be in.  I am sure many won't agree here but reality is things happen, injuries happen, cheap shots happen, to all teams. Since the Jets and Avs are so soft, don't fight, don't hit, why aren't they getting cheap shotted all the time? 

the jets, avs, stars, knights, kings deter cheap shots with the way they play. they are relentless, physical and mean. that is different to our play of mostly finesse. yeah we have our foligno always asking some goon to fight here and there but mostly we are easy targets. you want prove? look at our lineup! and this is only regular season. 

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[IllicitFive]

54 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

the jets, avs, stars, knights, kings deter cheap shots with the way they play. they are relentless, physical and mean. that is different to our play of mostly finesse. yeah we have our foligno always asking some goon to fight here and there but mostly we are easy targets. you want prove? look at our lineup! and this is only regular season. 

They play mean? Like hit more? More physical? The numbers and stats say otherwise. What do you mean by "physical and mean"?. Yes foligno asks goons to fight, because mackinnon and McDavids don't fight. We hit more and fight more than the teams listed by you. You know what those teams do? Win on the scoreboard. Injuries mostly are just bad luck. 

[OldDutchChip]

10 minutes ago, IllicitFive said:

They play mean? Like hit more? More physical? The numbers and stats say otherwise. What do you mean by "physical and mean"?. Yes foligno asks goons to fight, because mackinnon and McDavids don't fight. We hit more and fight more than the teams listed by you. You know what those teams do? Win on the scoreboard. Injuries mostly are just bad luck. 

did you see relentless push by vegas against us? a team of physical, skilled, players that play on the edge...right on it, not cooke level but very punishing play. foligno and trenin - yes the hit a lot. but they also are restrictive in their role - they play a shut down 3rd line - they are never there when these things happen....why?.... because no one cares about them! they care about our top6.

we need to be engaged in physicality in our top 6 core. that is our major flaw. there is NO ONE on our top 6 right now that can deter violence (funny enough it may be Kap himself, but to ask that from your superstar is idiotic) and we need to upgrade that. Granny does not help with that, while Tuch does. 

imagine mcdavid doing that to MJ if say a tkachuk is on MJ's line? that is top deterrence. macdavid would be too cowardly to try that if there is a player who can immediately take him. and they could have. but no one wanted to. your 3rd/4th liners who get their hit stats up mean nothing when battle is between top lines. you need to be there to make a difference. 

all these teams are playing a more physical game with their top 6. yes. 

[IllicitFive]

9 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

did you see relentless push by vegas against us? a team of physical, skilled, players that play on the edge...right on it, not cooke level but very punishing play. foligno and trenin - yes the hit a lot. but they also are restrictive in their role - they play a shut down 3rd line - they are never there when these things happen....why?.... because no one cares about them! they care about our top6.

we need to be engaged in physicality in our top 6 core. that is our major flaw. there is NO ONE on our top 6 right now that can deter violence (funny enough it may be Kap himself, but to ask that from your superstar is idiotic) and we need to upgrade that. Granny does not help with that, while Tuch does. 

imagine mcdavid doing that to MJ if say a tkachuk is on MJ's line? that is top deterrence. macdavid would be too cowardly to try that if there is a player who can immediately take him. and they could have. but no one wanted to. your 3rd/4th liners who get their hit stats up mean nothing when battle is between top lines. you need to be there to make a difference. 

all these teams are playing a more physical game with their top 6. yes. 

Yes because tkachuk is known for fighting other teams top guys...... Oh wait just the goons who also choose to fight.  With that mentality how upset you gonna be about kap and body getting cheap shotted and run over by the tkachuks because bogo hit a 3rd or 4th line guy? Most here would bitch and moan forger about that, but that's what you are wanting the wild to do. By the logic you laid out Vegas should have tried to remove body for an extended period for his hit on stone right? What a bunch of softies vegas is for not destroying him and making him hurt.... 

Also what do you mean a player can immediately take him? Like fought? Taken a run after the whistle? Sounds like a good way to get a 5 and game because guess who won't be fighting. How's that help? How do these other teams win games without being super physical and mean? Again look at fights and hits, top teams in the league, minus Florida, are near bottom of those lists.