Article: Buffalo Has What the Wild Need At the Deadline

[Kalisha Turnipseed]

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[Pablo]

If someone wanted to destroy a locker room. This would be the blue print to so it. I can see trying to get one of tuch or quinn but Guerin isnt trading Boldy or any of the 3 building block prospects that could be mainstays in ‘25/26 and beyond. 

[RedLake]

LTIR Spurgeon go get Tuch. Insert Spurgeon for game 1 of the playoffs.

[Sam]

I like the article for the most part, but what’s with this Alex Tuch obsession that people seem to have? Was it because he played here before and was traded away on a bad deal? 

[Up North Guy]

That is a lot to ponder.

[Mateo3xm]

As much as it’s fun to think about some of this stuff, it’s highly unlikely this happens. Quinn is a future 30 goal scorer once he gets to his prime but he’s having a really rough season right now. I don’t think it’s smart to get rid of Boldy simply because he’s in a slump. In my opinion his ceiling is higher than Tuchs.

[Pablo]

19 minutes ago, RedLake said:

LTIR Spurgeon go get Tuch. Insert Spurgeon for game 1 of the playoffs.

Agreed but who do you trade to get him. A 1st or 2nd round pick and Riley Height and NoJo?

[mnfaninnc]

Wow, this is a lot to comprehend. While I agree with Tuch getting traded for, I was hoping for futures. Tuch + Quinn certainly helps balance out the handedness with the forwards. I wasn't anticipating subtracting Boldy unless it was for Tkachuk. But, Quinn was chosen 3 spots higher in the same draft, so obviously there was a base to build off of. 

I was thinking a Boldy-Ek-Tuch line being an excellent playoff line with a Zuccarello/Yurov-Rossi-Kaprizov top line. I think we're pretty good with the bottom 6, in fact, some of that pool is still trying to play top 6 which is out of place. 

Now, what Boldy does in this move is subtract $7m and at this point Quinn will not be signing an extension for $7m. He'll be more like a 30-40 pt. player, and I'd be looking at Foligno's contract. I'd like to extend him longterm since I do think there is untapped potential and, like Boldy, I think it will be unlocked. But, it looks like $5m longterm might be a good investment. Kalisha has him at $3m, and that's likely a 2 year bridge. 

When you look at the money, however, Kalisha has us subtracting Brodin's $6m contract for what appears like no reason. If she's calculated $66m without Yurov and Stramel, we're in good shape to keep Brodin. 

I disagree with the argument on MaRat. I think he won't need to be traded in the Buffalo deal, is probably worth a 3rd rounder at this time. I think you could make that deal without including MaRat, and he won't be much to resign. He won't really get a raise either, since he's got like 5 points on the season. Kalisha listed a bunch of replacements but why rush them, they are still quite a ways off, and Kumpulainen was observed by Wheeler at the WJCs who commented that he still has "heavy feet." That doesn't sound like a center. Bankier and Stramel still could play center but they are not yet ready for a 4th line role. Keep MaRat.

Kalisha also mentioned Yurov signing a 2 year ELC. He is not eligible for the 2 year ELC yet, he still gets a 3 year per CBA. We might burn a year this season, but we'd still have him on one until summer of '27 (or '28 if we don't burn it this year, and if he's not eligible for playoff play this season why would we?) Keep in mind, his ELC will have significant bonuses attached, so it's likely a $3m cap hit.

I'm on the fence with this trade proposal even if it is just Boldy+Haight=Tuch+Quinn. I've also got to believe that Quinn's listed weight at 185 has to be far north of that at this time. He's got to be around 200 by now. 

The question here is will Boldy reach superstar status by 25 where he'd be a definite keeper, or, could you get better production from Tuch and Quinn? There are benefits to both side of this trade, which might make it a win-win.

 

[Citizen Strife]

The Wild need to get a 2nd line scorer to HELP Boldy, not to send him out and find a replacement...

[Citizen Strife]

Reading up on their stats more, I suppose you could say right now Tuch and Boldy are neck and neck, with Tuch being a whole $2.25m cheaper.  But he's also 5 years older, and he's up for his deal way sooner.  Tuch is what he's going to be, but if Quinn makes any strides at all, you're going to end up paying for the same amount of money a year or so out, for what may end up being the same production.

Boldy's contract is set for 5 more seasons...sure as hell wouldn't want to get rid of a 60-70 pt. guy at what could or could not be under market value years from now.

[Will D. Ness]

Kalisha = ODC?

No offense but trading Boldy is about as unrealistic as it gets.

[FredJohnson]

1 hour ago, Sam said:

what’s with this Alex Tuch obsession that people seem to have?

He's bigger than Rossi. That's about it. ABR (anybody but Rossi)

I'm ABN (anybody but NoJo).

[Pewterschmidt]

2 hours ago, Sam said:

what’s with this Alex Tuch obsession

I don’t get this either.  I’m in the camp that we let bygones be bygones.  Giving up assets to get him back after losing him once already (with no compensation) feels like we’re paying for Tuch twice.   

[Dis-allowed display name]

2 hours ago, Sam said:

I like the article for the most part, but what’s with this Alex Tuch obsession that people seem to have? Was it because he played here before and was traded away on a bad deal? 

I think it was for a couple reasons.  First he was a big player who could score, and type we always wanted and second because we, in one of our never ending gigantically stupid moves gave him away for essentially nothing.  They did not know he was on the cusp of a breakthrough.

They GAVE him to the Golden Knights before the expansion draft so that they would agree to NOT take players we would leave exposed when they came to pick from our team.  You could protect only so many players and players with full no movement clauses were automatically protected, and gosh darn wouldn't you know, the team was full of those.  They wanted to protect some younger "talent".   

It was understandable they wanted to protect Brodin, but they also wanted to protect  soon to be unloaded stiffs Niederrieter and Coyle, and the aging but decent Granlund.   The Knights then went on to take the very servicable Haula.

We lost a good, very young 30 goal scorer who I think was a 1st round pick, and a serviceable player to protect a couple guys that basically were bad fits later moved for other junk.  

 

At least that is what I recall.  It sticks in the collective craw.

 

 

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