Article: The Wild Must Pay Now, Worry Later With Marco Rossi

[OldDutchChip]

29 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

All this trade Rossi talk is reminiscent of when the North Stars sent Bobby Smith to Montreal in return for Keith Acton and Mark Napier. Bobby Smith was smooth skating high scoring center but the North Stars wanted to get bigger and tougher. They had to the league was just different then. The Blackhawks and Blues were just knocking the snot out of them. Enter Willy Plett the kryptonite to Al Secord. The league today is nothing like it was then.  You had some real neanderthals roaming the ice with ill intent in those days.  Yes I'm old enough to remember all of this. 

Acton was no bruiser a quick search finds out he is 5'8" and 170 which made the whole thing seem odd. But Acton could put the puck in the net he had some good seasons with the North Stars. Of course that did not bring us to the promised land either. 

argh people i said MOVE rossi to 2LC and have him be with Boldy and Tuch (yes go after Tuch) and move Ek to Kap and Zuccy line for some sort of balance. 

but if all ya keep harping on it - fine i'm in on trading 

baby austrian + figure skater (plus H&H boys) for Marchenko and Voronkov

[OldDutchChip]

16 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

Rossi is a big reason we’re winning. So, you agree we should sign Rossi to an extension then.

 

[FredJohnson]

3 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

argh people i said MOVE rossi to 2LC and have him be with Boldy and Tuch (yes go after Tuch) and move Ek to Kap and Zuccy line for some sort of balance. 

but if all ya keep harping on it - fine i'm in on trading 

baby austrian + figure skater (plus H&H boys) for Marchenko and Voronkov

You posted you want keep KK97 by showing we can win but you want to trade one of the keys to us winning?

[Will D. Ness]

4 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

Buium is a lefty, but I think he plays either side and may prefer his off side.

That would be nice.

[OldDutchChip]

4 minutes ago, TheGoosesAreLooses said:

Fanboy? Heck yes! I cheer for the entire Wild team and will damn well get excited when our second year player starts lighting it up and will damn well rub it in your face for saying he was too small, then a complete passenger, then he wasn't playing against top lines and now it is but he will get rolled over in playoffs. Just keep moving those goalpost so he can prove the great ODC wrong again.

For my reasons in my previous post as well as cap reasons in the upcoming season to fit everyone. I don't want them to go for broke this season. I think it is short-sighted to think this is their only shot when our team is getting steadily younger as our prospects come in and prove themselves. 

Frankly, I find you to an alarmist, abrasive and ill-informed. I've been on this site a long while and have usually found people here to be great even when I had a spirited disagreement with them. We would eat crow on our fan theories when needed and continue on. You're raving I find hard to abide and, by the comments in previous threads, I doubt I am the only one. This will be my last engagement with your comments. I comment here for fun and usually enjoyed it but find myself frustrated more than anything with this back and forth. 

Cheers,

TGAL

Rossi is small - it's a reality. That hasn't changed. He is putting up good numbers. Good for him. 37 pts in 40 games. Not bad. 

what goal posts? relax a bit about Rossi. it's not about him. he is a fine player. and he can move to line 2 with Boldy and do his thing. or be traded - that's fine too. 

you can still "cheer" him on when he is traded, right? good

as for cap situation - there are ways to bring Tuch in. he is not making THAT much and we can figure out financial with money retention or third team

This will be my last engagement with your comments. I comment here for fun and usually enjoyed it but find myself frustrated more than anything with this back and forth. oh no. well it was nice to hear from you! 

[OldDutchChip]

4 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

You posted you want keep KK97 by showing we can win but you want to trade one of the keys to us winning?

yes i want them to win. not get bounced or injured and then seeing disappointed Kaprizov leave. that would be bad. right? or not so bad as long as we have Rossi? 

[Willy the poor boy]

7 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

how many games are we winning against Stars/Jets/Avs in round 1 with this lineup?

Rossi Zuccy Kap / Ek Boldy MJ

No more free shots!! yeap that's the motto of all Wild players and fans. Every year it's our star players being brutalized. What do we do? We bring in and rely on 3/4th liners that scare nobody and only hurt the outcome (see Foligno last time). None of our big boys play with Kap. No one cares about 40 year old Bogo, who will be playing 5-7 mins per game. Imagine Zuccy or Rossi going to the net in a playoff game against our foes? How many periods will we have our top line intact? Do we say then Kap go out and protect yourself? Or put it all on Midds to be out there? 

Bottom line - make moves that help you secure Kap - and that means playoff success and him being alive after them. Forget about baby austrian for a second. He'll get his contract if he performs. Zuccy won't be moved to other line. Him and Kap are a pair. They get Ek. Rossi moves down and plays with figure skater and Tuch.

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[Quebec1648]

If the Wild sign both Kaprizov and Rossi to extensions, will Leopold have cap room for his Christmas in July shopping? Leopold wants to splurge in free agency, so that needs to be accounted for in all these trade ideas.

The Wild should explore a Spurgeon (plus picks or prospects) for Elias Petterson trade once the season is over. Rossi is too small for 1C, while Ek is also a poor fit, unless doing that super combo with boldy and Kaprizov. 

Petterson as 1C, Rossi as 2C, Ek as 3C and a prospect as 4C. 

Defense could be Brodin, Faber, Buium, Middleton, Chisholm, Jiricek.

 

[MacGyver]

3 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

argh people i said MOVE rossi to 2LC and have him be with Boldy and Tuch (yes go after Tuch) and move Ek to Kap and Zuccy line for some sort of balance. 

but if all ya keep harping on it - fine i'm in on trading 

baby austrian + figure skater (plus H&H boys) for Marchenko and Voronkov

Your response has nothing to do with my post. Why did you quote me and come up with that response? I was simply saying I've been watching this team for many years and this situation reminded me of the scenario I posted about. I quoted you because the subject of it was of players who have come and gone over the years in trades. I was simply adding on to that. Nothing more. I was not challenging your opinion. 

You are having the vapors here over this subject ODC. This board may not be the place for you to vent your obsession with moving Rossi or anyone else for Tuch or Brady Tkachuk or any of the others you have proposed. I think you need to stake out Billy's office and shriek your demands to him because you are spinning your wheels here.  I have no problem with you personally I even like some of your takes but you are now taking this into a different level of obsession. You are reading things into peoples post that aren't even there. Your becoming that drunk guy that shows up at the party and everyone starts to leave. Dial the snarky shit down brother.  

[OldDutchChip]

10 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

Your response has nothing to do with my post. Why did you quote me and come up with that response? I was simply saying I've been watching this team for many years and this situation reminded me of the scenario I posted about. I quoted you because the subject of it was of players who have come and gone over the years in trades. I was simply adding on to that. Nothing more. I was not challenging your opinion. 

You are having the vapors here over this subject ODC. This board may not be the place for you to vent your obsession with moving Rossi or anyone else for Tuch or Brady Tkachuk or any of the others you have proposed. I think you need to stake out Billy's office and shriek your demands to him because you are spinning your wheels here.  I have no problem with you personally I even like some of your takes but you are now taking this into a different level of obsession. You are reading things into peoples post that aren't even there. Your becoming that drunk guy that shows up at the party and everyone starts to leave. Dial the snarky shit down brother.  

aren't you the one that pointed out a Rossi trade talk and made some parallels to days of old? almost seems like you were telling me something about how i am wrong with Rossi? even though my point was completely different? but whatever - here it is for you - Rossi can move to L2C, he can also wait his turn for $ or he could be traded. That's the reality. 

This board may not be the place for you to vent your obsession with moving Rossi or anyone else for Tuch or Brady Tkachuk or any of the others you have proposed. Is this a place that serves as a shrine for Rossi? can we all maybe have our own opinions? or as soon as someone goes against the opinion of the crowd - feelings get hurt? again check these comments - it's been mostly about organizing our top 6 WITH Rossi. the part about Voronkov is a dream. stop overreacting. 

I think you need to stake out Billy's office and shriek your demands to him because you are spinning your wheels here.  again - people can have opinions. or is that not allowed?

but you are now taking this into a different level of obsession. i'm obsessed? i think i had good discussions with people who are willing to listen and i enjoy their feedback and insight (as i hope they do too). if you want one sided discussion, then i'm sorry - i won't budge - isn't the point of a forum is to express your opinion? or is your opinion the only one allowed and the only correct one? seems harsh.  

Your becoming that drunk guy that shows up at the party and everyone starts to leave. i see, so i am the fun guy?

Dial the snarky shit down brother.  i am not your brother. 

[mnhockeyfan03]

Another game tonight by Rossi that was a no show against a west team. Plays great against the east when there is no checking but not the west.  Let’s see how he does against Colorado and Vegas this week.  Guessing another no show.  We need better at center.  Ever notice how he rarely plays down low in the defensive zone and his other linmates handle that instead.  Coaching is covering up his lack of size to play down low.  

[BeanPole Harvester]

Here's how the Wild are stacking up so far against the central.

Chicago 2-0-1  GF8/ GA7

Dallas 1-1-0  GF4/ GA4

Nashville 2-0-0  GF8/ GA5

St Louis 3-0-0  GF14/ GA7

Utah 1-1-0  GF6/ GA6

Winnipeg 0-2-1  GF2/ GA11

Total is 

9-4-2 with 42GF/ 40GA

[Protec]

On 1/6/2025 at 4:08 PM, OldDutchChip said:

Right on! Thoughts on the next plan to ready up for PO?

The wild will finish with 100+ points and likely will be 2nd/3rd place in the Central. Billy knows what that means..... Another "glad to be here and see you again next year" OR does he look to load up for an actual battle?

Going in with this current crew will undoubtedly mean a gentlemen sweep against Stars or Avs (if not worse - sweep and injuries - yes yes there could be another miracle) which deflates the season and kinda leaves a sour note on all and most importantly on Kap. he needs to get out of a first round.

so what can Billy do?

D - Not sure how much he can do with D line apart from hoping Midds returns .... and if not - who will push ANYONE from the crease? your top 4 is going to be Faber/Brodin/Spurge/Chissy - oh man - this is very light - Midds we need you!

O - i think Billy is looking to beef up top 6. who goes out and comes in? going to be very interesting. Thoughts?

Good questions. I think Guerin is working on it and based on his habit, we'll see some transactions.

What do I think? I think the Wild are good but need tweaks. I like what I have seen from Trenin, Hartman, Foligno. NoJo and Fred look like 2M dollar journeymen who equate to warm bodies. Apart from his empty-net goal last night on the 4th attempt, NoJo was just ahead of Bogo by one. THAT'S YOUR L2 WINGER!!!

I don't care if he's just 2M, NoJo should be upgraded ASAP. I think MN needs an affordable guy like a Corey Perry who has experience and can add scoring but isn't soft. Frederic or Nelson maybe. Guys like Rielly Smith, P.Kane, or Yanni Gourde could be options. As rentals or NoJo replacement for next season. 

The primary targets are already subject of rumors around the league. Guerin needs to look for affordable, under-appreciated players. Tuch would fit in there. I doubt Guerin will be idle in the coming months. 

[OldDutchChip]

4 minutes ago, Protec said:

Good questions. I think Guerin is working on it and based on his habit, we'll see some transactions.

What do I think? I think the Wild are good but need tweaks. I like what I have seen from Trenin, Hartman, Foligno. NoJo and Fred look like 2M dollar journeymen who equate to warm bodies. Apart from his empty-net goal last night on the 4th attempt, NoJo was just ahead of Bogo by one. THAT'S YOUR L2 WINGER!!!

I don't care if he's just 2M, NoJo should be upgraded ASAP. I think MN needs an affordable guy like a Corey Perry who has experience and can add scoring but isn't soft. Frederic or Nelson maybe. Guys like Rielly Smith, P.Kane, or Yanni Gourde could be options. As rentals or NoJo replacement for next season. 

The primary targets are already subject of rumors around the league. Guerin needs to look for affordable, under-appreciated players. Tuch would fit in there. I doubt Guerin will be idle in the coming months. 

🍻 Agree

Nojo is the one to go. Yanni is an interesting and a physical player - tempting.....

Note to Billy - Find a way to ship out Nojo. Be creative and also remember- Can't keep all the prospects around. They won't ALL play in the NHL and those who will - may not reach their potential, but some may and others may exceed that potential. So good luck. Don't screw up. 

[Protec]

A guy like Bjugstad kinda got slighted in MN but he'd be great in the bottom six. He'd be affordable and has size. The Middleton deal from a couple years ago is the type I hope Guerin can pull off for the end of the season. One where a guy, kinda unknown turns out to be a great fit. 

[mnfaninnc]

20 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

Voronkov

showed up last night on the bottom of the screen potting 2 more goals for CBJ. CBJ is now in the 8th spot of the Eastern Conference Playoffs.

[mnfaninnc]

1 hour ago, Protec said:

Good questions. I think Guerin is working on it and based on his habit, we'll see some transactions.

What do I think? I think the Wild are good but need tweaks. I like what I have seen from Trenin, Hartman, Foligno. NoJo and Fred look like 2M dollar journeymen who equate to warm bodies. Apart from his empty-net goal last night on the 4th attempt, NoJo was just ahead of Bogo by one. THAT'S YOUR L2 WINGER!!!

I don't care if he's just 2M, NoJo should be upgraded ASAP. I think MN needs an affordable guy like a Corey Perry who has experience and can add scoring but isn't soft. Frederic or Nelson maybe. Guys like Rielly Smith, P.Kane, or Yanni Gourde could be options. As rentals or NoJo replacement for next season. 

The primary targets are already subject of rumors around the league. Guerin needs to look for affordable, under-appreciated players. Tuch would fit in there. I doubt Guerin will be idle in the coming months. 

Could the "tweaks" be Jiricek, Buium, Yurov and Ohgren? There is a benefit to filling from within. I'm not sure about Yurov being eligible after his playoffs to join in for the end of the year and playoffs, but that would be a fine addition to put in Johansson's spot. 

I'd like to go out and get Tuch too, but it may be that we only need that one guy. 

[mnfaninnc]

55 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

Note to Billy - Find a way to ship out Nojo. Be creative and also remember- Can't keep all the prospects around. They won't ALL play in the NHL and those who will - may not reach their potential, but some may and others may exceed that potential. So good luck. Don't screw up. 

Nice pep talk! Reminds me of the coach who goes out to the mound with a pitcher who just walked 3 straight guys. Pitching coach says "just throw strikes" and walks off the mound. Then he can't believe the next pitch is a ball. 😎

How do we pick the guys who will make it? Duck, duck, goose? 

I'd be in favor of having everyone but The Wall, Buium, Jiricek, Spacek, Ohgren and Yurov in play. That's essentially our 2nd tier and beyond of prospects. Well, Spacek is too, but I like him as our 3rd pairing in 2 seasons. I think he's green enough that he won't be asked for. 

[OldDutchChip]

yesterday's game should be an eye opener on the physicality of the games and what it will look like in the Playoffs. Bogo went off and that was fun. For us. lmagine Bogos from other team going off on our Top line. That's what we need to prevent as best as we could. Our skill and fancy footwork works in regular season but the games are called different in the playoffs. STL rode us in waves of north/south style game and we had a hard time adjusting....we did finally, but STL is not the other top Central teams. Those waves will not relent. 

our top 6 must be enhanced. and marcus right now is the odd man out. even if he is not traded - he cannot start in our top 6. if we stand pat - i'd do this -

EK ZUCCY KAP

ROSSI BOLDY FOLIGNO

HARTY TRENIN FG/LAUKO

[OldDutchChip]

8 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

Nice pep talk! Reminds me of the coach who goes out to the mound with a pitcher who just walked 3 straight guys. Pitching coach says "just throw strikes" and walks off the mound. Then he can't believe the next pitch is a ball. 😎

How do we pick the guys who will make it? Duck, duck, goose? 

I'd be in favor of having everyone but The Wall, Buium, Jiricek, Spacek, Ohgren and Yurov in play. That's essentially our 2nd tier and beyond of prospects. Well, Spacek is too, but I like him as our 3rd pairing in 2 seasons. I think he's green enough that he won't be asked for. 

my vote is we make Yurov untouchable. i watched him a bit and he looks to be legit. some are even picking him as a better prospect than demidov - which i think is a bit much. demidov looks like mcdavid 2.0 ..... yeap i know i know. (is there a chance that MTL would be dumb enough to trade the Russian away......Canada doesn't like Russians, trade him away!?!) 🙂

 

[MacGyver]

The Blues are not the heavy team that beat us in the playoffs a couple years ago. They have become a team more based on speed which was evident last night. Both teams were flying on the ice last night it was fun to watch.  If someone wants to slew foot or two hand cross check someone else they will do it. One because these types of players are generally not afraid of other players. And they are willing to let someone punch their helmet for 10 or15 seconds before the ref breaks it up. The worse that happens is someone gets a trickle of blood from the nose or lip. Meh.

When it comes to physicality it's not the league it used to be. 

[mnfaninnc]

8 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

my vote is we make Yurov untouchable. i watched him a bit and he looks to be legit.

Where are you viewing him? I've been looking for K games but can't find them.

[OldDutchChip]

12 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

Where are you viewing him? I've been looking for K games but can't find them.

you can go thru yandex and then take the road uncharted to rus version of youtube and brave it there. no biggie. 

vkvideo.ru is a site that has a few video from khl and some analysis in eng and subs

maybe i already have malware haha so be warned!

 

[Imyourhuckleberry]

1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

my vote is we make Yurov untouchable. i watched him a bit and he looks to be legit.

He isn't putting up anywhere near the stats he did the prior season. I can see some of their other point producers have missed some games, and the team is worse, in general, than last year, so it's nice to hear Yurov actually looks good.

Yurov's team has reduced in goals for by roughly .5 goals per game this year.

The one positive I can see is that he is top 2 on his team in +/- at +8, which suggests he has a strong 2-way game even though his point totals have faltered. Perhaps his agent's demands will not be as lofty this time around...

Edited 2 hours ago by Imyourhuckleberry
Added team goals for info

[OldDutchChip]

13 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

He isn't putting up anywhere near the stats he did the prior season. I can see some of their other point producers have missed some games, and the team is worse, in general, than last year, so it's nice to hear Yurov actually looks good.

Yurov's team has reduced in goals for by roughly .5 goals per game this year.

The one positive I can see is that he is top 2 on his team in +/- at +8, which suggests he has a strong 2-way game even though his point totals have faltered. Perhaps his agent's demands will not be as lofty this time around...

it's a tough go with KHL and getting a good picture of who we have is a challenge. it's gotten better but it's still a bit of a haze. just trying to see the tape where i can (which could also be skewed as they show the highlights only), read the analysis and commentary. 

seems like a smart player based on the comments (not just "give 110%" but thoughtful discussion about ins and outs) but he is on the skinny side.