Article: Is Marco Rossi A Better Fit On the First Line?

[mnfaninnc]

16 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

As the year goes on teams outside the playoffs will trade top6 guys.  Tuch, B Tchuck, B Nelson, Marchenko would be targets.  Only Tuch, Brady, Marchenko will cost Rossi plus a prospect but Nelson could be had for a prospect or pick.

As much as I love B. Tkachuk, I believe Ottawa when they say he is not available. Probably, mainly because if I were Steve Staios, I would put him on my untouchable list too. 

Nelson will be available, but dealing with Lou would be like trading for Gretzky here. No idea on Marchenko, but I think there is a deal to be had with Tuch that doesn't cost us terribly (like Rossi or a top prospect). 

I'd rather have Brady out of all of these guys, but I just don't think they'll trade him. 

[Pewterschmidt]

1 hour ago, Enforceror said:

Looks like Ohgren is finding his game with 8 goals in 9 games.

Christmas magic?

 This is best case scenario shit right here

[raithis]

51 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

Christmas magic?

 This is best case scenario shit right here

mnfaninnc has said numerous times that Ohgren has consistently been a slow starter.  Maybe he gets a little out of his groove in the off-season and now he's found it?  I don't know, but I do believe that this is more the real Ohgren than what we've seen in the NHL so far.

[Imyourhuckleberry]

For a Kaprizov line, I like Rossi with Boldy a lot more than Rossi with Zuccarello. They could look at Rossi at wing too, but it's nice to see him putting up points no matter where they use him.

[FredJohnson]

On 12/11/2024 at 1:01 PM, raithis said:

There hasn't been a question about whether he's a bust for some time.

Way too many folks want to unload him tho. I don't get it.

[OldDutchChip]

2 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

I'm not so sure here. Buffalo currently stands 7th in the Atlantic division, 1 pt. out of last. They've already switched coaches this past offseason, and the start to their year has to be extremely disappointing. While Tuch has a year left on his deal, this team may need a pretty significant shakeup. Are they willing to tear it down again?

I'm thinking patience is wearing thin in Buffalo, yet their owner is probably more concerned with the Bills at this time, letting the Sabres fly under the radar. On paper, this team looks like it should be way better than it is. What is wrong? Well, it wasn't Skinner, he's in Edmonton now.

The other thing that Buffalo has is a lot of players marinating in development. I'm not sure what it would take, but I'm pretty sure that Yurov, The Wall, and Buium are on the untouchables list. So, that leaves us with Heidt and possibly Lambos. Just looking at their roster, I'm guessing they may want some structured defenders over forwards. They've got plenty of cap space and plenty of young forwards to make the jump. They've also got plenty of the puck moving defenders and need some guys who can defend. I would wonder what a Brodin could do for that lineup, and if I even want to entertain the possibility of a Brodin trade? 

What really should have them in a foul mood is losing a 4-0 lead to Colorado. They had that game in the bag, but their defense (team defense) couldn't handle it. One would have to think that the playoff drought in Buffalo is wearing on the fanbase, and they need to get there pretty quick. 7th in the Atlantic isn't getting it done. I wonder if they would have any interest in a Declan Chisholm? 

To our disadvantage, we don't have much cap space to work with, meaning retention. Guerin has made a decent deal with the GM before in the Greenway deal. I think there is a deal here to be made, but, it may cost us dearly in futures. Would we need a 2026 1st? Would adding Jirzy and Tuch put us in a place where we're pretty set for the time being? Is it worth that type of gamble? 

This much I can say, gaining Tuch and Jirzy helps out Kaprizov immediately. If Guerin is eyeing that front, a 2026 1st isn't too much compensation.

I wouldn’t part ways with Brodin. I feel that he is our best D man period. Spurge, then Midds/Faber. 

I think Sabres may look to offense more. They already have powers, byram and dahlin….seems like a good group? 

I’m not sure they’ll bite on our junk. We need do more than lambos or H&H boys. Hence my thought that Tuch would cost Yurov - and that is likely a No from me.

I also feel that Billy has no options left, he must use his best piece and that is Rossi. He won’t commit to him - and Rossi will cost at least 7.5 if not more or he’ll get even more via offer sheet? You are not signing him for 3 x 4…that ship has sailed

You keep him on line 1 with Kap, then dangle him and others for tkachuk, marner, ranty with some $ retention and other pieces involved. 

Tuch, I am a bit more cautious - as his play against Wild was very very underwhelming but maybe it’s Sabre funk.

[OldDutchChip]

2 hours ago, Tony Abbott said:

This is something people keep saying but it isn't true. Seven of the ten tallest/heaviest teams in the NHL are in the Eastern Conference. 

Dallas - Suter

Winnipeg - Stanley

LA - Daughty

its the mean / nasty not necessary the size 

 

[Tony Abbott]

8 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

Dallas - Suter

Winnipeg - Stanley

LA - Daughty

its the mean / nasty not necessary the size 

 

Wild had Suter for a decade and what did it get them? (also, check Suter's current team)

Stanley has played in four of the Peg's last 10 playoff games. They were eliminated in five in both series.

LA has to get past Edmonton before Minnesota ever has to worry about Doughty, and if I recall correctly, Kaprizov tends to dunk all over him.

Keep moving the goalposts tho

 

[Will D. Ness]

14 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

 

its the mean / nasty not necessary the size 

 

Size by itself is easy to beat.  Speed by itself is easy to crush.  It's the balance between size and speed that truly kills.  Add a little nasty and you have the trifecta.

[OldDutchChip]

8 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said:

Wild had Suter for a decade and what did it get them? (also, check Suter's current team)

Stanley has played in four of the Peg's last 10 playoff games. They were eliminated in five in both series.

LA has to get past Edmonton before Minnesota ever has to worry about Doughty, and if I recall correctly, Kaprizov tends to dunk all over him.

Keep moving the goalposts tho

 

I’m not saying Suter was helping the team win 

I’m showing the goons from other teams that beat down and injured Kaprizov

suter left but there are others - it was an example of what awaits

but I’m sure Rossi will deter that

[OldDutchChip]

3 minutes ago, Will D. Ness said:

Size by itself is easy to beat.  Speed by itself is easy to crush.  It's the balance between size and speed that truly kills.  Add a little nasty and you have the trifecta.

Unfortunately suter did plenty harm to Kap without speed and skill, Daughty does it without size and there are others - that’s hockey. Playoffs mean our Russian superstar will be open for business. Dallas or Winnipeg or any other team will go after him from the start. 

[Protec]

MN has a winning percentage right now that says they'd win seven game series. Their goaltending is the best. Could they add a guy and get healthy, sure. They're pretty good though. Not really worried about LA five months early.

[Pewterschmidt]

1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

Rossi will cost at least 7.5 if not more or he’ll get even more via offer sheet? You are not signing him for 3 x 4…that ship has sailed

This is going to be fun to watch   I’m going to agree with odc here.  Rossi’s good play is going to force Guerin’s hand.  Go into offseason and risk an offer sheet or trade Rossi highest bidder at TDL.  Agree that a) Rossi won’t sign a team friendly deal.  It’s a two way street bro.  Can’t blame him. 2) Rossi’s good play has increased his market value and he knows it. 3) bridge deal ship has sunk

keep him with 97    Pump and dump at TDL 

Edited 3 hours ago by Pewterschmidt

[Mateo3xm]

20 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

As the year goes on teams outside the playoffs will trade top6 guys.  Tuch, B Tchuck, B Nelson, Marchenko would be targets.  Only Tuch, Brady, Marchenko will cost Rossi plus a prospect but Nelson could be had for a prospect or pick.  Then Rossi could be used for something else if someone is will to take spurgeon not on his list.  Then we can go wild and really make a push.  

Ottawa isn’t trading Tkachuk.. I don’t get why people are even entertaining this. He isn’t going anywhere.

[Mateo3xm]

18 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

This is going to be fun to watch   I’m going to agree with odc here.  Rossi’s good play is going to force Guerin’s hand.  Go into offseason and risk an offer sheet or trade Rossi highest bidder at TDL.  Agree that a) Rossi won’t sign a team friendly deal.  It’s a two way street bro.  Can’t blame him. 2) Rossi’s good play has increased his market value and he knows it. 3) bridge deal ship has sunk

keep him with 97    Pump and dump at TDL 

You really have no idea if he will or won’t sign a team friendly deal. I could easily see him signing something for 6.5 mil and the cap is suppose to go up. I also don’t see anyone offer sheeting him. If that was the case and so many teams were interested, he’d be traded already.

[Mateo3xm]

1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

You keep him on line 1 with Kap, then dangle him and others for tkachuk, marner, ranty with some $ retention and other pieces involved. 

You’re just making stuff up as you go along. You really think you’re going to somehow acquire any of those players from those teams? You think they’re just going to to be ok with trading their best players?

[OldDutchChip]

50 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

This is going to be fun to watch   I’m going to agree with odc here.  Rossi’s good play is going to force Guerin’s hand.  Go into offseason and risk an offer sheet or trade Rossi highest bidder at TDL.  Agree that a) Rossi won’t sign a team friendly deal.  It’s a two way street bro.  Can’t blame him. 2) Rossi’s good play has increased his market value and he knows it. 3) bridge deal ship has sunk

keep him with 97    Pump and dump at TDL 

Exactly! 

Emotions aside - Rossi is out - he is out of our price range And he is going to be very attractive piece

not for Brock Nelson but for bigger fish that will be available 

look at standing in the east - Billy is planning something

[Will D. Ness]

1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

Unfortunately suter did plenty harm to Kap without speed and skill, Daughty does it without size and there are others - that’s hockey. Playoffs mean our Russian superstar will be open for business. Dallas or Winnipeg or any other team will go after him from the start. 

Damn dude, ease up on the fatalism.  KK97 isn't a victim.

[OldDutchChip]

40 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

Ottawa isn’t trading Tkachuk.. I don’t get why people are even entertaining this. He isn’t going anywhere.

Because you say so?

I think they’ll do what makes sense for team stuck at the bottom of conference 

 

[OldDutchChip]

32 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

You’re just making stuff up as you go along. You really think you’re going to somehow acquire any of those players from those teams? You think they’re just going to to be ok with trading their best players?

I bet that’s what Vegas and Panthers said?

And then walked away….

or did they?

[OldDutchChip]

3 minutes ago, Will D. Ness said:

Damn dude, ease up on the fatalism.  KK97 isn't a victim.

He liked getting bruised, cross checked and injured? 

[OldDutchChip]

1 hour ago, Protec said:

MN has a winning percentage right now that says they'd win seven game series. Their goaltending is the best. Could they add a guy and get healthy, sure. They're pretty good though. Not really worried about LA five months early.

Didn’t we just loose to LA? Why the confidence so high we win in 5!!!! Edit - I misread thinking you said LA loose in 5! 🤪 sorry!

diva boldy? 
Dumb foligno?

majestic Freddy?

tiny Rossi?

Even tinier Zuccy and his single ball of fire?

Trenin? Harty?

no of course not - Kap will drag us to victory!

It can happen - he is that great - but very selfish to roll with such a supporting cast 

Kap is likely to not survive first round series

Edited 2 hours ago by OldDutchChip

[Citizen Strife]

Yes, because Kap has been injured in the playoffs.  Ek was.  Besides, Dumba took out Pavelski.  People get injured or stay healthy for all sorts of reasons.

Hell, we saw a guy get nutted by friendly fire.  The NHL doesn't shy from being a rough sport, and Kap is not, nor will ever ask to be coddled or protected.  He'll just play the hand and more often punk the other team out.

If the team wins, they win.  I'll take Rossi over a lot of guys right now, given what few cards the Wild have to play.  I'm not hung up on this year.  I'd kinda like next year and 2026 and 2027 to ALSO be successful.  The Wild haven't earned the right to throw caution to the wind like Fletcher did every year.  That's the reason they are still in this mess.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Citizen Strife

[mnfaninnc]

1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

Because you say so?

Well, I think it's more because Ottawa's GM Staios said it and with conviction. According to those reporting on it, they believe Tkachuk will play out his contract in Ottawa. I think he has a designation too. 

Now, what does Staios do if Tkachuk publicly asks out? Matthew did this in Calgary who also did not want to trade him. If Tkachuk says he won't resign with Ottawa, it seems like that is the time he will be available, but we're looking at about 2.5 seasons down the road. 

I think Brady would be awesome here, I just don't think we can pry him loose...unless someone gets in his ear during the 4 nations tourney!!!!!!!

[OldDutchChip]

2 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

Yes, because Kap has been injured in the playoffs.  Ek was.  Besides, Dumba took out Pavelski.  People get injured or stay healthy for all sorts of reasons.

Hello, we saw a guy get nutted by friendly fire.  The NHL doesn't shy from being a rough sport, and Kap is not, nor will ever ask to be coddled or protected.  He'll just play the hand and more often punk the other team out.

If the team wins, they win.  I'll take Rossi over a lot of guys right now, given what few cards the Wild have to play.  I'm not hung up on this year.  I'd kinda like next year and 2026 and 2027 to ALSO be successful.

 

Cause things work as expected? And our window is going to be wide open? As it was promised the last 20 plus years

You have a chance, go for it!