Article: Is Marco Rossi A Better Fit On the First Line?

[Mateo3xm]

15 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

Because you say so?

I think they’ll do what makes sense for team stuck at the bottom of conference 

 

Why would they get rid of their best player lol? Hes in year 4 of a 7 year contract. All their stars are young and that’s the problem. It’s common sense.

[Mateo3xm]

8 hours ago, RedLake said:

Package Rossi, Yurov, and a 1st for Brady. Rossi will get rag-dolled and spit on in the playoffs.

They aren’t trading Brady you newb. Why can’t people get this out of their head? He’s their best player and he’s only 24….

imagine how good he’ll be in 2-3 years. He’s on contract for 3 more years and it’s a very cheap contract considering how good he is. If you’re going to propose it then site a reasonable source that reports this possibly happening. There is no truth to it.

[TheGoosesAreLooses]

19 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

They aren’t trading Brady you newb. Why can’t people get this out of their head? He’s their best player and he’s only 24….

imagine how good he’ll be in 2-3 years. He’s on contract for 3 more years and it’s a very cheap contract considering how good he is. If you’re going to propose it then site a reasonable source that reports this possibly happening. There is no truth to it.

I think anyone listening to what is coming out of Ottawa knows this. The GM straight up said "I can tell you 100 percent there’s never actually been an ounce of discussion about Brady Tkachuk being anything other than an Ottawa Senator." after the trade speculation with the Rangers. There is no way he is going anywhere. I doubt they would let him go even if he requested a trade to be honest.

[Pewterschmidt]

1 hour ago, FredJohnson said:

Kap is one inch taller.

But Kap is 20 pounds heavier (according to what's published).

And 97 is a superstar while Rossi is currently a good player with promise.  So this comparison is apples and oranges

[Pewterschmidt]

35 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

And 97 is a superstar while Rossi is currently a good player with promise.  So this comparison is apples and oranges

My point is that 97 is like Liam Neeson and has a "special set of skills" that others don't possess.  So to say Rossi and 97 are similar size, so Rossi should be able to do the things 97 can do, does not compute.

[OldDutchChip]

2 hours ago, Mateo3xm said:

They aren’t trading Brady you newb. Why can’t people get this out of their head? He’s their best player and he’s only 24….

imagine how good he’ll be in 2-3 years. He’s on contract for 3 more years and it’s a very cheap contract considering how good he is. If you’re going to propose it then site a reasonable source that reports this possibly happening. There is no truth to it.

We understand, relax. How is Matt Tkachuk doing in Calgary and Eichel in buffalo?

[mnfaninnc]

I watch 2 games a year of Ottawa, so I don't have a good handle on their situation. Tkachuk's wear their emotions on their sleeves. Body language would easily tell if Brady Tkachuk was sick of losing and wanted out. 

Don't go by reports, or their beat guy, go by what we see of Tkachuk on the ice. I heard the "blockbuster" was with LeFrieniere. The #1 overall in his draft year who has struggled, even though he was supposed to be a generational player. Yeah, if I'm Staios, I'm not entertaining that either. 

I've never seen a Tkachuk quit. But I've seen Tkachuk's take out their frustrations on opponents leaving a swath of destruction behind them. Perhaps we need to spend a little time watching Ottawa games, how they respond after letting in a bad goal, how they respond after losing? 

I am convinced that Staios will not trade the player unless he is completely convinced he's lost him. To this, I would have a scout at almost every Ottawa game paying attention to body language, specifically of the target. It won't be hard to pick up, you don't even need a body language expert. Just look for the spewing volcano.

[FredJohnson]

4 hours ago, MNCountryLife said:

Edmonton just bitch slapped us into next week.  Want to know how we stack up against Edmonton when Ek and Brodin are out of the line up.  We don't.  

How would Edmonton do without Draisaitl (2C), Kapenen (2W), Brown (4W) and Ekholm (1D)?

It’s a miracle we beat Utah - we’re so beat up.

[OldDutchChip]

1 hour ago, mnfaninnc said:

I watch 2 games a year of Ottawa, so I don't have a good handle on their situation. Tkachuk's wear their emotions on their sleeves. Body language would easily tell if Brady Tkachuk was sick of losing and wanted out. 

Don't go by reports, or their beat guy, go by what we see of Tkachuk on the ice. I heard the "blockbuster" was with LeFrieniere. The #1 overall in his draft year who has struggled, even though he was supposed to be a generational player. Yeah, if I'm Staios, I'm not entertaining that either. 

I've never seen a Tkachuk quit. But I've seen Tkachuk's take out their frustrations on opponents leaving a swath of destruction behind them. Perhaps we need to spend a little time watching Ottawa games, how they respond after letting in a bad goal, how they respond after losing? 

I am convinced that Staios will not trade the player unless he is completely convinced he's lost him. To this, I would have a scout at almost every Ottawa game paying attention to body language, specifically of the target. It won't be hard to pick up, you don't even need a body language expert. Just look for the spewing volcano.

This plus you never know - maybe a scenario to retool with grade a prospect and young center Rossi would peak their interest 

sometimes it’s about making the change to get team and fans excited and prolong your employment…..cause Ottawa is not really a winning team….haven’t been since days of heater and spezza

So that’s why they’d consider 

[Mateo3xm]

10 hours ago, FredJohnson said:

Kap is one inch taller.

But Kap is 20 pounds heavier (according to what's published).

Yes? And?

they play completely different positions too?

[MacGyver]

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“The reason I signed a seven-year deal is because I believe in this team, in what we’re doing and I believe in everybody,” Tkachuk said. “Not just in this room, but everybody in this building that we’re pushing in the right direction. I signed here for seven years because I love playing here.”

Brady Tkachuk- December 10 2024

 

[Pewterschmidt]

Did anyone watch Stramel play last night?

[Sam]

32 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

Did anyone watch Stramel play last night?

No, but he got 0 pts and a holding penalty.

Edited December 14, 2024 by Sam
Added info.

[mnfaninnc]

21 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

This plus you never know - maybe a scenario to retool with grade a prospect and young center Rossi would peak their interest 

sometimes it’s about making the change to get team and fans excited and prolong your employment…..cause Ottawa is not really a winning team….haven’t been since days of heater and spezza

So that’s why they’d consider 

Let's explore this a little further. Is it the mix of players or is it the youth?

Claude Girioux and David Perron are the forwards supposed to be leading this group. Travis Homonic and Nick Jensen are supposed to be leading the defense. That's their veteran guys who are paid for their leadership and what they've done in the past.

But, their core is:

• Stutzle $8.35m  22
• Tkachuk $8.2m  25
• Norris $7.95m  25
• Batherson $4.975m 26
• Pinto $3.75m 24
• Sanderson $8m 22
• Chabot $8m 27
• Zub $4.6m  29
• Ullmark $8.25m  31

These are the guys who are supposed to be getting it done. They are good, young, exciting, and lightly structured. It looks to me that their core is young and good, but their supporting cast is letting them down. 

Their top 6 looks like they can compete with anyone. Their center depth looks very deep, in fact, they've got several playing wing. On defense, they appear to have some good puck moving defenders that can support the top 6. I would expect their PP to be top 10 with these guys. 

As an organization, everything has settled down. New ownership is in town, new GM, new coach. Are we witnessing an acclimation period?

I don't know much about Steve Staios, but Travis Green seems to be a front line coach. Staios came up through the ranks in Toronto, Edmonton, and most of his playing career was with Canadian teams. He's got a similar track record with a different organization to Bill Guerin when we hired him. Former player, a GM in major juniors (Guerin doesn't have that), and he spent some time under Ken Holland who would be a similar mentor like Jim Rutherford. 

Everything I'm looking at looks solid, so why can't they win? The only thing I can put my finger on is that their defense is leaky. They are a lot better going forward than they are defending. 

Based upon that, I would say that a young center in Rossi would likely be switched to wing, as they are deep down the middle. I wouldn't think they'd be too excited about that except he played his jr. hockey in the town and people remember the name. As for Buium, I'd think that would be the wrong pick up unless they see him as a 200' defender. But most of what we see from him is PP QB, putting up points on a dominant team, is he the defender that they need? I would think that both Brodin and Middleton would be more useful for them than Buium. I would think pairing Sanderson and Chabot with a stay at home defender would probably help everyone get better. 

So, while they have plenty of guys who can put on a show, where I see the lacking is those shutdown guys like our 3rd/4th line (when healthy) and our left handed D pairs. Chisholm could be interesting because while he can skate the puck up, he is also learning structural defense. We do have a glut of defensive defenders, and 3 of those guys are adequate in the offensive side. Could they use a guy like Spurgeon? Absolutely! I still haven't figured out why Lassi Tomson hasn't made their team. Zub is on LTIR, and Perron is out (Zub looks like he may have broken his foot). 

IMO, a jolt is what this team needs, and that jolt can be internal or external. If I were in Staios' shoes, I look at my cap and it's almost maxed. I look at my team and see that one weakness, and will be looking for a guy who can bring that defense on the 1st pair and shutdown opponents. Everywhere else, this team looks like it should be at minimum in the WC hunt. I'm thinking tweak, not blockbuster from their standpoint.

[Pewterschmidt]

2 minutes ago, Sam said:

No, but he got 0 pts.

Did he make you notice him?  Strong forecheck?  net front presence (i saw he screened one of the goals)? passing ability?

[mnfaninnc]

I wish ESPN+ picked up the college games. 

[Sam]

1 hour ago, Pewterschmidt said:

Did he make you notice him?  Strong forecheck?  net front presence (i saw he screened one of the goals)? passing ability?

I didn’t get to watch it, I was watching the UND game. I would imagine he contributed in other ways than just scoresheet-wise.

[OldDutchChip]

7 hours ago, MacGyver said:

Brady Tkachuk- December 10 2024

 

Oh ok

[OldDutchChip]

2 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

Let's explore this a little further. Is it the mix of players or is it the youth?

Claude Girioux and David Perron are the forwards supposed to be leading this group. Travis Homonic and Nick Jensen are supposed to be leading the defense. That's their veteran guys who are paid for their leadership and what they've done in the past.

But, their core is:

• Stutzle $8.35m  22
• Tkachuk $8.2m  25
• Norris $7.95m  25
• Batherson $4.975m 26
• Pinto $3.75m 24
• Sanderson $8m 22
• Chabot $8m 27
• Zub $4.6m  29
• Ullmark $8.25m  31

These are the guys who are supposed to be getting it done. They are good, young, exciting, and lightly structured. It looks to me that their core is young and good, but their supporting cast is letting them down. 

Their top 6 looks like they can compete with anyone. Their center depth looks very deep, in fact, they've got several playing wing. On defense, they appear to have some good puck moving defenders that can support the top 6. I would expect their PP to be top 10 with these guys. 

As an organization, everything has settled down. New ownership is in town, new GM, new coach. Are we witnessing an acclimation period?

I don't know much about Steve Staios, but Travis Green seems to be a front line coach. Staios came up through the ranks in Toronto, Edmonton, and most of his playing career was with Canadian teams. He's got a similar track record with a different organization to Bill Guerin when we hired him. Former player, a GM in major juniors (Guerin doesn't have that), and he spent some time under Ken Holland who would be a similar mentor like Jim Rutherford. 

Everything I'm looking at looks solid, so why can't they win? The only thing I can put my finger on is that their defense is leaky. They are a lot better going forward than they are defending. 

Based upon that, I would say that a young center in Rossi would likely be switched to wing, as they are deep down the middle. I wouldn't think they'd be too excited about that except he played his jr. hockey in the town and people remember the name. As for Buium, I'd think that would be the wrong pick up unless they see him as a 200' defender. But most of what we see from him is PP QB, putting up points on a dominant team, is he the defender that they need? I would think that both Brodin and Middleton would be more useful for them than Buium. I would think pairing Sanderson and Chabot with a stay at home defender would probably help everyone get better. 

So, while they have plenty of guys who can put on a show, where I see the lacking is those shutdown guys like our 3rd/4th line (when healthy) and our left handed D pairs. Chisholm could be interesting because while he can skate the puck up, he is also learning structural defense. We do have a glut of defensive defenders, and 3 of those guys are adequate in the offensive side. Could they use a guy like Spurgeon? Absolutely! I still haven't figured out why Lassi Tomson hasn't made their team. Zub is on LTIR, and Perron is out (Zub looks like he may have broken his foot). 

IMO, a jolt is what this team needs, and that jolt can be internal or external. If I were in Staios' shoes, I look at my cap and it's almost maxed. I look at my team and see that one weakness, and will be looking for a guy who can bring that defense on the 1st pair and shutdown opponents. Everywhere else, this team looks like it should be at minimum in the WC hunt. I'm thinking tweak, not blockbuster from their standpoint.

Might be cohesiveness or just not enough of skill against the east or who knows what

but I’m serious - GM may pull the trigger just to keep his job in place for a bit longer and get some prospects in for stutzle, who Is very young (build around Stutzle and trade BT)

just like stone and eichel and M tkachuk - 25/26 - Brady may be on the move and Wild have the pieces 

Rossi Pick Prospect and Trenin! For Tkachuk and salary retention for this year

Edited December 14, 2024 by OldDutchChip

[Up North Guy]

3 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

Did anyone watch Stramel play last night?

Yep. He looked pretty good to me. He didn't score but goal tending was excellent. He was tough on the puck and a constant net front guy. He had a little nasty to him also. Speed seemed good. I liked his game.

[mnfaninnc]

4 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

just like stone and eichel and M tkachuk - 25/26 - Brady may be on the move and Wild have the pieces 

Yet, we all knew about Stone, Eichel, and M. Tkachuk. There really wasn't any denying it. That's why I think Brady will need to make the 1st move an explain to Staios how disgruntled he is about losing. Sens are 2 points out of a playoff spot with games in hand on Philly (8th). 

I'll sign on to just about any deal for Brady, but this one is not ripe yet.

[OldDutchChip]

16 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

Yet, we all knew about Stone, Eichel, and M. Tkachuk. There really wasn't any denying it. That's why I think Brady will need to make the 1st move an explain to Staios how disgruntled he is about losing. Sens are 2 points out of a playoff spot with games in hand on Philly (8th). 

I'll sign on to just about any deal for Brady, but this one is not ripe yet.

It may just be hushed for others but there has to be something there

ottawa GM choices

(a) do nothing and get fired (b) make a splash and assure few more years

either way billy can still probe and see if they bite 

Two routes -

1 - Billy got a nod from Kap that Rossi stays and he’ll sign the kid for 7-7 (yes this kind of talk exist using various channels)

2 - Billy will trade Rossi (I think boeser, tuch, tkachuk are all in play) 

3 - Rossi Wally multiple picks for Rantanen and even Mateo is happy 

 

 

[mnfaninnc]

4 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

3 - Rossi Wally multiple picks for Rantanen and even Mateo is happy 

You see 'Rado as sellers? I don't, especially since they just revamped their goalie position in 3 weeks. I think they'll be adding and Rantanen/MacKinnon are a duo to make a run. 

However, I'd add Forsberg to that short list. We could use a guy like that.

[OldDutchChip]

3 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

You see 'Rado as sellers? I don't, especially since they just revamped their goalie position in 3 weeks. I think they'll be adding and Rantanen/MacKinnon are a duo to make a run. 

However, I'd add Forsberg to that short list. We could use a guy like that.

I posted a couple days back that I’d poke on forsberg, so yes!!

I dunno - I don’t think they want to pay Ranty 15 per, but I think if Rossi is dealt then we can pay him and Kap 

14 Ranty 15 Kap

but you know Forsberg might just be better suited for us 🧐 

[FredJohnson]

On 12/14/2024 at 11:32 AM, mnfaninnc said:

Let's explore this a little further. Is it the mix of players or is it the youth?

Claude Girioux and David Perron are the forwards supposed to be leading this group. Travis Homonic and Nick Jensen are supposed to be leading the defense. That's their veteran guys who are paid for their leadership and what they've done in the past.

But, their core is:

• Stutzle $8.35m  22
• Tkachuk $8.2m  25
• Norris $7.95m  25
• Batherson $4.975m 26
• Pinto $3.75m 24
• Sanderson $8m 22
• Chabot $8m 27
• Zub $4.6m  29
• Ullmark $8.25m  31

These are the guys who are supposed to be getting it done. They are good, young, exciting, and lightly structured. It looks to me that their core is young and good, but their supporting cast is letting them down. 

Their top 6 looks like they can compete with anyone. Their center depth looks very deep, in fact, they've got several playing wing. On defense, they appear to have some good puck moving defenders that can support the top 6. I would expect their PP to be top 10 with these guys. 

As an organization, everything has settled down. New ownership is in town, new GM, new coach. Are we witnessing an acclimation period?

I don't know much about Steve Staios, but Travis Green seems to be a front line coach. Staios came up through the ranks in Toronto, Edmonton, and most of his playing career was with Canadian teams. He's got a similar track record with a different organization to Bill Guerin when we hired him. Former player, a GM in major juniors (Guerin doesn't have that), and he spent some time under Ken Holland who would be a similar mentor like Jim Rutherford. 

Everything I'm looking at looks solid, so why can't they win? The only thing I can put my finger on is that their defense is leaky. They are a lot better going forward than they are defending. 

Based upon that, I would say that a young center in Rossi would likely be switched to wing, as they are deep down the middle. I wouldn't think they'd be too excited about that except he played his jr. hockey in the town and people remember the name. As for Buium, I'd think that would be the wrong pick up unless they see him as a 200' defender. But most of what we see from him is PP QB, putting up points on a dominant team, is he the defender that they need? I would think that both Brodin and Middleton would be more useful for them than Buium. I would think pairing Sanderson and Chabot with a stay at home defender would probably help everyone get better. 

So, while they have plenty of guys who can put on a show, where I see the lacking is those shutdown guys like our 3rd/4th line (when healthy) and our left handed D pairs. Chisholm could be interesting because while he can skate the puck up, he is also learning structural defense. We do have a glut of defensive defenders, and 3 of those guys are adequate in the offensive side. Could they use a guy like Spurgeon? Absolutely! I still haven't figured out why Lassi Tomson hasn't made their team. Zub is on LTIR, and Perron is out (Zub looks like he may have broken his foot). 

IMO, a jolt is what this team needs, and that jolt can be internal or external. If I were in Staios' shoes, I look at my cap and it's almost maxed. I look at my team and see that one weakness, and will be looking for a guy who can bring that defense on the 1st pair and shutdown opponents. Everywhere else, this team looks like it should be at minimum in the WC hunt. I'm thinking tweak, not blockbuster from their standpoint.