Article: David Jiricek Offers the Wild More Than Raw Talent

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4 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

If Brackett drafts a single defenseman next year or year after that I’m going to wonder if there’s any plan at all.  We’ve now spent all the draft capital on defenseman that we should for next 5 years.  Nothing but big forwards for next 3 drafts please.  

I don't think it's too shabby. The late picks or even the 1st are not as good as a 6th overall bid defenseman with a right shot who's NHL ready, especially if Spurgeon got hurt. The Wild have drafted well enough that the future picks will not be missed too badly. Now your cap space this next year can go towards extensions and forwards. The Wild don't need a twenties-range pick this Summer super-seriously. 

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big* not bid. 

I wasn't huge on Jiricek assuming Guerin would have to trade an NHL guy like Rossi or a high-end prospect. Hunt and the pics weren't playing much for the Wild anyway and Hunt was newly blocked by Chisholm & Buium. 

This is a nice trade IMO and with capital that doesn't affect the Wild greatly. Losing a 1st doesn't hurt that much considering what the Wild have done these past 3-4 drafts. 

[1Brotherbill]

21 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

Rossi will be traded. Wally will still be in AHL at this pace and hopefully Gus will be still our net force. Buium and Jiricek will be battling for third pair spot (Fab/Midds, Broding/Spurge, Chissy/Open? and Yurov may be either in AHL, ST.P, or who knows where. 

 

Rossi is not going to be traded.  Unless he is traded for an upgrade at the position.  That isn't going to happen. 

Wally will be in St. Paul next year.  For the simple reason that he is replacing Fluery.  

Buium and Jiricek will be 2 of the seven defenseman rotation.  You forget that Bogo is on the roster for at least next year.  Chisholm might not be on the roster next year.  

Yurov, we don't know because information just doesn't come out of Russia.

[1Brotherbill]

7 hours ago, Up North Guy said:

This trade has the potential to be a home run or merely meh. Either way it is the right call. They have to take chances to get the talent they need. Hunt and the players selected with the picks were more likely to be on the meh end of the scale. How long have we been clamoring for the addition of high end talent? Seems that BG is playing his cards according to the plan as we know it. It is going to be fun watching how it unfolds.

Bare minimum this trade is an upgrade on Hunt.

Reality this is next years 1st round pick.  I could live with that.  Have someone who steps in and plays the year he is drafted.  Since he is an upgrade over Hunt we don't need to keep Hunt on the I-35 shuttle.  

Most of the picks that were given up were ones the Wild have acquired over the years.  Which means we could acquire more or not.

Reality is the are making moves to try and win. 

[OldDutchChip]

47 minutes ago, 1Brotherbill said:

Rossi is not going to be traded.  Unless he is traded for an upgrade at the position.  That isn't going to happen. 

Wally will be in St. Paul next year.  For the simple reason that he is replacing Fluery.  

Buium and Jiricek will be 2 of the seven defenseman rotation.  You forget that Bogo is on the roster for at least next year.  Chisholm might not be on the roster next year.  

Yurov, we don't know because information just doesn't come out of Russia.

Rossi is not going to be traded.  Unless he is traded for an upgrade at the position.  That isn't going to happen. So he is not going to be traded unless he is going to be traded? OK

Wally will be in St. Paul next year.  For the simple reason that he is replacing Fluery.  Good, i guess, but do you want to dump a goalie that is struggling into NHL squad? i was not making it up - he is posting horrendous numbers. 

Buium and Jiricek will be 2 of the seven defenseman rotation.  You forget that Bogo is on the roster for at least next year.  dude how about we wait and see on these two? zeev may be good/great but we may have a surplus at what he does with our top 4 and PP locked in - so he may marinate a bit more in AHL. Jiricek - has been booted from Columbus for being a hippo on skates, let's just wait and see - or is that a taboo in Wild land?

Chisholm might not be on the roster next year.  I hope Billy disagrees, he is cheap and is only getting better. 

Yurov, we don't know because information just doesn't come out of Russia. what info? once contract is done - he can come over. by then T and V can split UA and be done with it till another conflict (or just move on to the one down south). But - that is another conversation my young friend, for now - stress not - Yurov will be here.

Edited December 2 by OldDutchChip

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5 hours ago, MacGyver said:

Just to be clear I'm in the don't trade Rossi camp. More of a poke at Guerin as I said "his" main problem due to he wants to trade him and it would not have surprised me if he sent Rossi to Columbus in part of a deal. When Guerin decides he doesn't like a player they aren't around long. He seems to be practicing more patience with Rossi.  I'm not a Guerin fan. If that needed to be pointed out. 🙂

Without any serious antagonism, Guerin has built a pretty good team with wiggle-room, and depth despite an NHL induced handicap. Perhaps, it's a matter of perspective cause Talbot, Fiala, Dumba, McBain, and many others are gone and only Duhaime is currently on a top team in their division. Since MN has the league's fewest losses and currently sits atop NHL standings having only lost close games to decent teams, it's safe to say Guerin's tenure as GM is pretty remarkable given the situation he inherited. 

[Citizen Strife]

Guerin has had to make tough decisions that are probably way harder than normal because of said handicap.  To think that a year before it had to matter to him, his team would be this defensively sound and "mostly" offensively capable is quite astounding.  He knew when to be ballsy, and when to stay smart.

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Sure he has a personality that many don't like but I'll take cheap gas, world peace, and orange... Ope, sorry wrong argument.

I'll take first in the league, solid future, dickhead comments, and lazy-eye over the previous GM. 

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[MrCheatachu]

18 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

If Brackett drafts a single defenseman next year or year after that I’m going to wonder if there’s any plan at all.  We’ve now spent all the draft capital on defenseman that we should for next 5 years.  Nothing but big forwards for next 3 drafts please.  

Speaking of big centers, Stray-Dog has more points (3g, 6a) through 11 games playing for the team who's mascot wears a skirt than last seasons with Wisconsin...

Look at it this way, the draft pick the Wild traded away could be anything from another Charlie Stramel to a David Jiricek

[Pewterschmidt]

22 minutes ago, MrCheatachu said:

Speaking of big centers, Stray-Dog has more points (3g, 6a) through 11 games playing for the team who's mascot wears a skirt than last seasons with Wisconsin...

Look at it this way, the draft pick the Wild traded away could be anything from another Charlie Stramel to a David Jiricek

I want to see jirizy in game action.  Let’s find out why cbj was in such a rush to be rid of their 6th overall pick.  Does he justify all the draft capital we spent on him or is he the next trenin (big body, no ice hockey skills).  
I do like that Guerin likes to make a splash early in seasons.  They’re always big bodies (reeves, maroon, jirizy)

jirizy: If you experience dizziness, nausea, or hard stools talk with your doctor

Edited December 2 by Pewterschmidt

[BillieGismylover]

20 hours ago, Mateo3xm said:

That first round draft pick will likely be between pick 20-30 in a supposedly weak draft so I don’t see it being a high draft pick. Who said anything about giving him a starting job? Russo reported that him and his agent are fine with the fact that he will have to start in the Ahl. Columbus didn’t want to give him a spot in the nhl so he could develop and learn from his mistakes. He’s been in the Ahl since 18-19 and he’s 21 now. This guy is extremely talented but needs to work on his skating, luckily we have one of the best skating coaches. 
Also I don’t see a ton of bashing on Billy on here but he definitely lets his ego get in the way sometimes. 

He got the call up. Travis Boyd was sent down. Don’t get me wrong I like adding him for our future. I just don’t think you can add him to this team and expect him to fit seamlessly. Sure sending Hunt who is prob a 4th line defensemen is not a problem. The first round pick I’m fine with also. But when you start adding on a future 2nd 3rd and 4th, the kid has to turn into a stud for this trade to work. I love Tony’s articles. He’s my favorite local writer. The “lack of Guerin bashing” was more tongue in cheek. Tony like a lot of fans on this site were pretty upset this offseason with Bills work.

[BillieGismylover]

11 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

Rossi is not going to be traded.  Unless he is traded for an upgrade at the position.  That isn't going to happen. So he is not going to be traded unless he is going to be traded? OK

Wally will be in St. Paul next year.  For the simple reason that he is replacing Fluery.  Good, i guess, but do you want to dump a goalie that is struggling into NHL squad? i was not making it up - he is posting horrendous numbers. 

Buium and Jiricek will be 2 of the seven defenseman rotation.  You forget that Bogo is on the roster for at least next year.  dude how about we wait and see on these two? zeev may be good/great but we may have a surplus at what he does with our top 4 and PP locked in - so he may marinate a bit more in AHL. Jiricek - has been booted from Columbus for being a hippo on skates, let's just wait and see - or is that a taboo in Wild land?

Chisholm might not be on the roster next year.  I hope Billy disagrees, he is cheap and is only getting better. 

Yurov, we don't know because information just doesn't come out of Russia. what info? once contract is done - he can come over. by then T and V can split UA and be done with it till another conflict (or just move on to the one down south). But - that is another conversation my young friend, for now - stress not - Yurov will be here.

Buium will be playing in St. Paul next year guaranteed. Probably gets a call up once Denver’s season is over. He is as ready as Faber was, and quite a bit better offensively. I am really excited to see the pressure he will put on opposing teams with the puck on his stick.

[M_Nels]

12 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

Wally will be in St. Paul next year.  For the simple reason that he is replacing Fluery.  Good, i guess, but do you want to dump a goalie that is struggling into NHL squad? i was not making it up - he is posting horrendous numbers

Iowa isn't exactly a defensive powerhouse, he's been getting shelled every game he plays. He's not getting traded no matter how much you seemingly want him to be.

[OldDutchChip]

5 minutes ago, M_Nels said:

Iowa isn't exactly a defensive powerhouse, he's been getting shelled every game he plays. He's not getting traded no matter how much you seemingly want him to be.

trading him or not has nothing to do with the facts that i brought up - he is struggling right now. having your goalie phenom still in minors for 3 plus years and posting 860% is not too exciting. 

[M_Nels]

1 minute ago, OldDutchChip said:

trading him or not has nothing to do with the facts that i brought up - he is struggling right now. having your goalie phenom still in minors for 3 plus years and posting 860% is not too exciting. 

I don't disagree, I think he has been handled poorly. Fleury deciding to go for another year messed the timeline up.

Get competent D in front of him and see what he looks like, I'm still hoping he gets some starts up here. Last year he posted a .910% on a team that went 10 games below .500 and this years team is looking worse yet.

Outside of the Stars schellacking he had a shutout and a .931% 2ga win. He's still just 22, there's not a snowballs chance in hell he's getting traded.

[OldDutchChip]

7 minutes ago, M_Nels said:

I don't disagree, I think he has been handled poorly. Fleury deciding to go for another year messed the timeline up.

Get competent D in front of him and see what he looks like, I'm still hoping he gets some starts up here. Last year he posted a .910% on a team that went 10 games below .500 and this years team is looking worse yet.

Outside of the Stars schellacking he had a shutout and a .931% 2ga win. He's still just 22, there's not a snowballs chance in hell he's getting traded.

i agree with you, it's just him being presented for some time as this once-in-a-lifetime keeper - made me think he will dominate anywhere with anyone. or at least not look like he has. i know i know about goalies and how they may take time to blossom, but this is a bit discouraging. i guess MAF can un-retire and join the fun again next year.

[Citizen Strife]

You can't plan for Gus and Fleury rebounding like they had.  Wallstedt struggling sucks, but he can figure it out and has time to do so.

[MrCheatachu]

1 hour ago, Pewterschmidt said:

I want to see jirizy in game action.  Let’s find out why cbj was in such a rush to be rid of their 6th overall pick.  Does he justify all the draft capital we spent on him or is he the next trenin (big body, no ice hockey skills).  
I do like that Guerin likes to make a splash early in seasons.  They’re always big bodies (reeves, maroon, jirizy)

jirizy: If you experience dizziness, nausea, or hard stools talk with your doctor

I agree...I just can't help myself from taking a shot at SillyG for drafting Stramel in the first round again.  Stramel's now played for 3 different NCAA coaches, after the first two at Wisconsin where the coaches 'were the issue' including a sophomore season where he got moved to 4th line wing.  Nobody's asking if Stray-Dog is going to be signing with the big club once Sparty hangs up his skirt this season.

Just because it's a first round pick, doesnt guarantee that guy is anywhere near being a productive pro player.

[MrCheatachu]

1 minute ago, Citizen Strife said:

You can't plan for Gus and Fleury rebounding like they had.  Wallstedt struggling sucks, but he can figure it out and has time to do so.

I'm pretty sure SillyG's only plan was to expect all of his players to rebound.  FreddyG, Mojo, Moose, GusBus, Flower...sounds like GusBus put in the offseason work, but the plan with the other guys was that they needed to rebound.

[OldDutchChip]

5 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

You can't plan for Gus and Fleury rebounding like they had.  Wallstedt struggling sucks, but he can figure it out and has time to do so.

sure, and Wally can also keep struggling. hence i said - flower may be back next year. and it's very good that Gus is still here

[Citizen Strife]

I think you can only "hope" for things like that, not plan it.

[Enforceror]

1 hour ago, BillieGismylover said:

He got the call up. Travis Boyd was sent down. Don’t get me wrong I like adding him for our future. I just don’t think you can add him to this team and expect him to fit seamlessly. Sure sending Hunt who is prob a 4th line defensemen is not a problem. The first round pick I’m fine with also. But when you start adding on a future 2nd 3rd and 4th, the kid has to turn into a stud for this trade to work. I love Tony’s articles. He’s my favorite local writer. The “lack of Guerin bashing” was more tongue in cheek. Tony like a lot of fans on this site were pretty upset this offseason with Bills work.

Not sure how much it matters but most of the picks we traded were ones we have previously received via trade from other teams so we're not really out anything substantial in my opinion.

[Citizen Strife]

1 minute ago, OldDutchChip said:

sure, and Wally can also keep struggling. hence i said - flower may be back next year. and it's very good that Gus is still here

And if that happens, it happens.  They can't put Wally in if Gus and Fleury are doing this.  It would be mismanagement and disservice to the Wild team now. But goalie voodoo is just that.

Wallstedt is only paid peanuts.  If he figures it out (likely), he'll be back up.

Better for Wallstedt to fuck up and get it out of his system and learn than the main club forcing him in and potentially costing games.

 

[Pewterschmidt]

5 minutes ago, MrCheatachu said:

I'm pretty sure SillyG's only plan was to expect all of his players to rebound.  FreddyG, Mojo, Moose, GusBus

And this has happened (so far).  I thought this list was all cooked after last season. but they're proving otherwise.  I'm beginning to see Foligno impacting games for the better this season and Fred is not a ghost this year.  Mojo is still mojo but less nojo and more mojo this year.  Gus is a damn'd Vezina candidate this year.  He definitely took to heart his end of season pep talk and showed up with the right mindset this year.

[Pewterschmidt]

5 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

flower may be back next year. and it's very good that Gus is still here

Flower is definitely cooked and needs to retire for good at end of season.  Thank god no one bit on the Gus trade this summer, or this season would look very different.  In Gus We Trust.  Thankful Wally get's to work on his mental toughness this season.  In fairness to him it's been an emotional whipsaw.  You're in the rotation, get a place in St. Paul.  Now you're going back to IA, etc.  I'll assume this is all good for his development and better than him playing in St Paul this year getting run out of the barn.