Pegs Game Thread 11/25

[UK_Soldier]

Pull him Hynes. Not going to put two in against Bucky with so little time left without getting a little ballsy. 

[UK_Soldier]

[Protec]

Not where you wanna be with a minute left. 

[UK_Soldier]

Sigh. 

[FredJohnson]

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[UK_Soldier]

Would be nice to get a win over a division rival/heavyweight once in a while. 

[mnhockeyfan03]

We are not good enough against the best teams in the west.  Shown time after time.  We need a shakeup and go hard after tkachuk, tuch, and jirecek.  We need all 3.  Trade anyone beside zeev and Yurov to make it all happen.  Rossi, spurgeon, Ohgren, wallstedt, our number 1 pick this year, mojo, trenin, height, lambos all should be in play.  We need 2 more top end forwards and a big RHD

[Sam]

Heidt + Haight = Height

[Protec]

That game was big cause MN could have got a win with a game in hand. They were there. Early on, if NoJo buries one of those grade As or if Kaprizov or Hartman scored on their chances, MN is protecting a lead. 

Penalties and lack of finish was the difference. 

[Tony Abbott]

2 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

We are not good enough against the best teams in the west.  Shown time after time.  We need a shakeup and go hard after tkachuk, tuch, and jirecek.  We need all 3.  Trade anyone beside zeev and Yurov to make it all happen.  Rossi, spurgeon, Ohgren, wallstedt, our number 1 pick this year, mojo, trenin, height, lambos all should be in play.  We need 2 more top end forwards and a big RHD

They really need two guys who've never been to the playoffs. That'd be a refreshing change.

[Protec]

That's three close ones but all losses. WPG & DAL matchups. I really hate to say this but it feels like when MN was really good but could never find a way to beat Chicago ten years ago. Like a little brother feeling. The bigger, stronger, more steady winner with the elite tendy wins. (Helibux = Crawford)

It was a hard fought game but MN has had a problem putting it away, or taking care of business against the top teams. The execution was off after WPG had the quick response goal. That was Spurgeon and Gus getting beat, BUT the Wild had like twenty chances and got just one goal. 

Trenin had some nice plays defending. The PK wasn't bad, Gus was not bad, the Wild just didn't make the 1st period buzzing count. WPG was rattled but they let the top goalie get the hot streak going. They let the Jets get a quick response goal and the momentum was gone. A bad penalty by Hartman again, and frustration or risk-taking pushes the game just out of reach. Foligno took a sloppy minor too. 

There's kind of a theme going with this team. They can become frustrated or distracted and lose their strategic game. When they do, it's over. Philly and Seattle losses. Same thing. They have a good pushback towards the end to salvage points sometimes but you wanna be in the position the Jets were in, entering the 3rd.. 

[Protec]

P.S. The Wild have lost six of their last eight games against Dallas, and Winnipeg has beat Minnesota seven in a row. 

Spurgeon a minus 2, and was overpowered in the corner leading to Iafallo's first goal. If you watch that goal closely beginning in the Jets zone. NoJo is in lala-land and Rossi loses the board battle. WPG gets the zone exit and dump-in. NoJo coasts back as usual but Rossi is puck-watching too. Spurgeon gets bodied and Kupari easily taps it to Iafallo. Costly goal where Hartman makes a desperate attempt to defend but Rossi and NoJo just curl through the aftermath with #90 retrieving the puck for the refs. So bad. Brodin too with a look like, "yeah didn't read that right." He was waiting for #46 to send it around the dasher, routinely. 

Rasmus Kupari an NHL rookie starts in his own corner winning a battle against Rossi, South of NoJo. He gets all the way down the ice to bully Spurgeon and setup the goal-scorer. NoJo is AGAIN the total non-factor and classic Euro coast-fest, puck-watcher. MN got out-worked at a time when they needed to maintain momentum. That was literally the critical turning point in the game. 

Edited November 26 by Protec

[Dango]

I wouldn't  mind adding Tuch if you can even get him  ,maybe he understood the business side of things and it wasn't personal  when trading  him .   but i thought the Sabres would be better than they are so maybe its not working there ,  Do you offer Chisholm and a prospect, draft pick or 2. I doubt they want any high salary players Spurg etc .

[M_Nels]

13 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

We are not good enough against the best teams in the west.  Shown time after time.  We need a shakeup and go hard after tkachuk, tuch, and jirecek.  We need all 3.  Trade anyone beside zeev and Yurov to make it all happen.  Rossi, spurgeon, Ohgren, wallstedt, our number 1 pick this year, mojo, trenin, height, lambos all should be in play.  We need 2 more top end forwards and a big RHD

Yeah...no.

How many times are you going to regurgitate getting rid of all of these players when 1-it's not going to happen..2-it's not realistic at all.

Nobody is going to take on Spurgeon's contract unless we retain a ton of money plus he has a M-NTC. 

As far as the others Mojo is likely trade bait at the deadline anyways, if he's not gone by then he's not coming back next year anyways.

What are you going to do for G2 if you get rid of Wally with Flower retiring?

Rossi making a strong case for a bridge deal when we're already lacking a C depth. 

It would have to be a big swing on a top tier FA if Billy is going to jettison a 1st rounder, he has shown he values them and prefers to keep them.

The prospects you listed are always potential fillers on a deal but don't move the needle very much.

I could maybe see going after 1 out of your 3 targets but there is no way they're going after all 3 nor should they.

 

Edited November 26 by M_Nels
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[RedLake]

This club is always a day late and a dollar short of winning when it counts.

[Protec]

In other Central Division news, pretty-boy, GQ, coach get's whacked by broken stick. 

 

[mnhockeyfan03]

8 hours ago, M_Nels said:

Yeah...no.

How many times are you going to regurgitate getting rid of all of these players when 1-it's not going to happen..2-it's not realistic at all.

Nobody is going to take on Spurgeon's contract unless we retain a ton of money plus he has a M-NTC. 

As far as the others Mojo is likely trade bait at the deadline anyways, if he's not gone by then he's not coming back next year anyways.

What are you going to do for G2 if you get rid of Wally with Flower retiring?

Rossi making a strong case for a bridge deal when we're already lacking a C depth. 

It would have to be a big swing on a top tier FA if Billy is going to jettison a 1st rounder, he has shown he values them and prefers to keep them.

The prospects you listed are always potential fillers on a deal but don't move the needle very much.

I could maybe see going after 1 out of your 3 targets but there is no way they're going after all 3 nor should they.

 

Yes all these things can happen.  Just have to get creative.  Spurgeon is traded as a salary dump to a team for a late round pick to a team not part of his 15 list.  You then make a package for Tkacuck around Rossi, players, picks and prospects.  Same thing for Tuch and Jiricek.  Yes a lot of prospects will have to be dealt but Yurov and Zeev off limits.  Anyone else fine.  We are in win now mode in the next 5 years.  Go for it and take a swing.  All 3 may not happen but 2 out of 3 could for sure. 
 

And look here is an article just a few hours ago saying Wild are front runners for Jiricek.  Hmm I wonder if our GM shares the same sentiment I do and a few others  

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-sports/report-wild-a-frontrunner-for-19-year-old-star-defenseman-david-jiricek

[MacGyver]

Seeing more reports about the Wild going hard after Jiricek. This would take at least Rossi and some other chips thrown in I would guess. He's young, big and entirely unporoven. 11 points in 53 NHL games and a minus 10. And a serious knee injury in 2022 that kept him out for three months. Why has he only played six games for Columbus this year?  So if it would be Rossi and probably more going out the door for him your trading offense for defense. Where do you get Rossi's 17 points at a plus 7? Where does Jerecik fit in now? He's another unknown . Drafted 6th with potential. Man we got a boat load of potential as it is. 

Things are going well right now. Trading Rossi for another D prospect makes no sense to me. Given the way we are playing my vote is be patient and get out of  buyout purgatory and make your moves next season when you have more money and you have confirmed Yurov actually getting here and if you get a look at Zeev this year or not. If our depth scoring that we are getting from Freddy and nojo right now goes south which I suspect it will you will be glad to have a Rossi and not another D prospect.  

This year to this point is shaping up to be a different year. Colorado is struggling, Nashville has yet to gel, we've proven we can hang with the Jets and Dallas. Don't rock the boat and keep dancing with the ones you brought. 

[mnhockeyfan03]

I think it would be Ohgren and another prospect going out for jiricek.  I think they are saving Rossi to package for a big fish.  

[M_Nels]

11 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Yes all these things can happen.  Just have to get creative.  Spurgeon is traded as a salary dump to a team for a late round pick to a team not part of his 15 list.  You then make a package for Tkacuck around Rossi, players, picks and prospects.  Same thing for Tuch and Jiricek.  Yes a lot of prospects will have to be dealt but Yurov and Zeev off limits.  Anyone else fine.  We are in win now mode in the next 5 years.  Go for it and take a swing.  All 3 may not happen but 2 out of 3 could for sure. 
 

And look here is an article just a few hours ago saying Wild are front runners for Jiricek.  Hmm I wonder if our GM shares the same sentiment I do and a few others  

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-sports/report-wild-a-frontrunner-for-19-year-old-star-defenseman-david-jiricek

Jiricek is not going to bring anywhere close to the capital your chosen forwards are. Jiricek is Ohgren & Hunt or Ohgren and a 2nd rounder at best, anything else is an overpay.

If Jiricek is picked up he's not likely to get thrust into a starting role immediately. If he can prove he's worthy of a top 6 d-man role over Chisholm, Bogo, Merrill than that leaves 2 out of the 3 as trade bait but unless you package them with a high pick or Rossi say you're not going to get a huge return. Bogo is the only RHD of those 3 so can Jiricek play off hand? Do you trust Merill or Chisholm to play off hand?

You never did say what your plan was for a backup goalie for next season if you trade Wally.

[M_Nels]

47 minutes ago, M_Nels said:

Bogo is the only RHD of those 3 so can Jiricek play off hand? Do you trust Merill or Chisholm to play off hand?

Just realized this doesn't make much since but can't edit. I guess if they jettison either Chisholm or Merrill Bogo could always play off hand.

[mnhockeyfan03]

1 hour ago, M_Nels said:

Jiricek is not going to bring anywhere close to the capital your chosen forwards are. Jiricek is Ohgren & Hunt or Ohgren and a 2nd rounder at best, anything else is an overpay.

If Jiricek is picked up he's not likely to get thrust into a starting role immediately. If he can prove he's worthy of a top 6 d-man role over Chisholm, Bogo, Merrill than that leaves 2 out of the 3 as trade bait but unless you package them with a high pick or Rossi say you're not going to get a huge return. Bogo is the only RHD of those 3 so can Jiricek play off hand? Do you trust Merill or Chisholm to play off hand?

You never did say what your plan was for a backup goalie for next season if you trade Wally.

Yes and that’s why my post right after said jiricek would be Ohgren and another prospect.  

Rossi they are going to package with picks and prospects to go after a elite top 6 forward

If Wally and a prospect gets you another top 6 forward in addition to the Rossi package do it. Wally is an unknown and you can get a backup goalie on the open market for $2mm. 

To make all this happen we will need cap space and that’s why Spurg will have to be dealt just as a salary dump for a late round pick.  Spurgeon will be great on an eastern conf team.  Last game against the Jets he got overpowered in the corners many times

[M_Nels]

6 minutes ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Yes and that’s why my post right after said jiricek would be Ohgren and another prospect.  

My apologies, I did not see that one. Was just going off your reply.