Article: Is Marco Rossi Destined To Become the Next Matt Dumba?

[OldDutchChip]

3 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

And it's about attitude:

Add the following to the lollipop guild:

Khuz

Spurge

Brodin.  

Buy why Brodin P-Jingles?  Watch JoBro anytime there's a scrum.  He's so sandpaper averse that he sometimes doesn't even tie up a guy in order to avoid any risk of unpleasantness

may even add trenin to this list - imagine him fight ..... he'll likely slip and fall before a punch is thrown.

[TheGoosesAreLooses]

1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

No, i made my point very clear - there is a trend that shows that in order to win - you have to bring size and strength (i even supported that with evidence from the last three SC winning teams)

That is not completely true. Colorado was 12th in weight and 20th in height when they won in 22. Vegas was one of the largest teams in 23 but Florida in 24 was 18th in height and 18th in weight. Tampa was 26th(!) in height but 2nd in weight in 20-21 (which i believe goes hand in hand with what mnfan was saying on sizing guys by weight not height) and was 24th in height and 6th in weight in 19-20.

Vegas was the only one of those teams at the very top of the list when they won. Every single other playoffs, the heaviest team has not won. Which is why i say there is no correlation to what you are saying in the data.

You can look at the average height and weight of every single team per season here;

https://www.eliteprospects.com/league/nhl/teams-physical-stats/2019-2020

Yes, when we spoke on this you listed off the largest 6-9 players on the team, not the entire team. If want to look at a specific 9 players on every team, of course you can make them look bigger than they actually are on the whole. 

 

[OldDutchChip]

4 minutes ago, TheGoosesAreLooses said:

That is not completely true. Colorado was 12th in weight and 20th in height when they won in 22. Vegas was one of the largest teams in 23 but Florida in 24 was 18th in height and 18th in weight. Tampa was 26th(!) in height but 2nd in weight in 20-21 (which i believe goes hand in hand with what mnfan was saying on sizing guys by weight not height) and was 24th in height and 6th in weight in 19-20.

Vegas was the only one of those teams at the very top of the list when they won. Every single other playoffs, the heaviest team has not won. Which is why i say there is no correlation to what you are saying in the data.

You can look at the average height and weight of every single team per season here;

https://www.eliteprospects.com/league/nhl/teams-physical-stats/2019-2020

Yes, when we spoke on this you listed off the largest 6-9 players on the team, not the entire team. If want to look at a specific 9 players on every team, of course you can make them look bigger than they actually are on the whole. 

 

I'll give you players who played on offense for the last 3 cup winners - and how these players stack up against Wild (i am not putting all the players in the pipeline of the teams, just those that play crucial role on offense, if i missed any - feel free to add)

2022 Stanley Cup Winner Avs:

Kadri 6ft, Landeskog 6'1'', McK 6ft, Nich 6'4'', Ranty 6'4, Burak 6'3'' 

i think that's their top 2 line and that is sizable line and Kadri and Landy play much more physical than Johanssen even though they measure up quiet similarly...

2023 Stanley Cup Winner Knights:

Eichel 6'2'', Karlsson 6ft, Machy 5'9'', Smith 6'1'', Howden 6'2'', Stone 6'3'', Barbashev 6'1'' 

i am a little surprised that Eichel is only 6'2! but as you pointed and i do agree, D size matters and they have a LARGE D. we are just married to our D as finesse so can't really do much unless we really rock the boat - Spurge, Brodin, Faber, Chissy they all stay. Midds playing great and they seem to be locked into Bogo. Not sure there is a way to beef up our D. 

2024 Stanley Cup Winner Panthers:

Barkov 6'3'', Bennett 6'1'', Forsling 6'1'', Lundell 6'1'', Reinhart 6'1'', Tkachuk 6'2'', Verhaeghe 6'2'', Tarasenko 6'1'', Luostarinen 6'3''

That is a large group

2025 Stanley Cup Winner Wild: 🍻

Boldy 6'2'', Ek 6'3'', Foligno 6'3'', Gaudreau 6, Johansson 6'1'', Trenin 6'2'', Kap 5'10'', Rossi 5'9'', Zuccy 5'8'', Marat 5'11, Harty 6

On the surface we (Wild) do have some height but it is not spread out enough. We are likely to see Boldy with Ek and MJ once Zuccy comes back leaving L1 as 5'10 5'9 5'8. And that goes against the trend. Can that line survive the season and the playoffs? 

[Patrick]

On 11/23/2024 at 8:04 AM, Citizen Strife said:

...  As good as the 4th line has been, they aren't the scoring threats Rossi keeps provi "But he's 5'9" and kinda slow."  I like Khusnutdinov, but what has the speed advantage gotten him but PK skills?  Khusnutdinov has 6 points in 100 games.  Rossi has 56 in 120....

Marat has only played 35 games. 

[Patrick]

25 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

I'll give you players who played on offense for the last 3 cup winners - and how these players stack up against Wild (i am not putting all the players in the pipeline of the teams, just those that play crucial role on offense, if i missed any - feel free to add)

2022 Stanley Cup Winner Avs:

Kadri 6ft, Landeskog 6'1'', McK 6ft, Nich 6'4'', Ranty 6'4, Burak 6'3'' 

i think that's their top 2 line and that is sizable line and Kadri and Landy play much more physical than Johanssen even though they measure up quiet similarly...

2023 Stanley Cup Winner Knights:

Eichel 6'2'', Karlsson 6ft, Machy 5'9'', Smith 6'1'', Howden 6'2'', Stone 6'3'', Barbashev 6'1'' 

i am a little surprised that Eichel is only 6'2! but as you pointed and i do agree, D size matters and they have a LARGE D. we are just married to our D as finesse so can't really do much unless we really rock the boat - Spurge, Brodin, Faber, Chissy they all stay. Midds playing great and they seem to be locked into Bogo. Not sure there is a way to beef up our D. 

2024 Stanley Cup Winner Panthers:

Barkov 6'3'', Bennett 6'1'', Forsling 6'1'', Lundell 6'1'', Reinhart 6'1'', Tkachuk 6'2'', Verhaeghe 6'2'', Tarasenko 6'1'', Luostarinen 6'3''

That is a large group

2025 Stanley Cup Winner Wild: 🍻

Boldy 6'2'', Ek 6'3'', Foligno 6'3'', Gaudreau 6, Johansson 6'1'', Trenin 6'2'', Kap 5'10'', Rossi 5'9'', Zuccy 5'8'', Marat 5'11, Harty 6

On the surface we (Wild) do have some height but it is not spread out enough. We are likely to see Boldy with Ek and MJ once Zuccy comes back leaving L1 as 5'10 5'9 5'8. And that goes against the trend. Can that line survive the season and the playoffs? 

Florida last year is less than one pound different than the Wild this year.... stupid take.

[OldDutchChip]

4 minutes ago, Patrick said:

Florida last year is less than one pound different than the Wild this year.... stupid take.

Barkov and Reinhart and Rodriguez 

Kap Rossi Zuccy

 Barkov prob weighs as much as Rossi and Zuc combined

smart take

[Patrick]

1 minute ago, OldDutchChip said:

Barkov and Reinhart and Rodriguez 

Kap Rossi Zuccy

 Barkov prob weighs as much as Rossi and Zuc combined

smart take

Take Kaprizov off and put your mom in and it would be the heaviest line in the NHL....😂😂😂

[MNCountryLife]

Is it possible that BG simply doesn't know Rossi's value on the open market and he is testing the waters?  Rossi is a RFA and BG may want a long term contract for cheap and doesn't want to get undercut by another team.  Just guessing, but nothing else seems to make sense.  Rossi is checking all the boxes and at 23 he will continue to improve.  If the value comes in really high BG may need to consider a trade just to keep the cap low to sign Kirill who could demand north of $14M.  

[B1GKappa97]

It all depends on the return, although I doubt it is going to happen this season. The depth just isn't there yet. Next year you can let Yurov center Kap and Zuccy and then your second line is Boldy-Ek-and some big-power forward. 

Moving on from Rossi probably saves them $5M to $6M on his next contract, given the way he is producing points. Fiala was producing at a similar rate, at a less valuable position, and he got $5.1M in arbitration.

So you combine that with the likely available cap-space and now you've got around $14M in cap to address the top-6 and add some much-needed size. It will suck to give up on Rossi just as he starts to live up to his draft hype, and I just got a Rossi jersey for Xmas so it would suck to see him move on so soon, but I can definitely see the logic behind moving on from him in the near-future. 

If we want to sign Kap, he's gonna want to win-now and that means making win-now moves. 

[FredJohnson]

9 hours ago, Citizen Strife said:

He could even be useful for our team...

Preposterous!! (Sarcasm)

[FredJohnson]

3 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

I'll give you players who played on offense for the last 3 cup winners - and how these players stack up against Wild (i am not putting all the players in the pipeline of the teams, just those that play crucial role on offense, if i missed any - feel free to add)

2022 Stanley Cup Winner Avs:

Kadri 6ft, Landeskog 6'1'', McK 6ft, Nich 6'4'', Ranty 6'4, Burak 6'3'' 

i think that's their top 2 line and that is sizable line and Kadri and Landy play much more physical than Johanssen even though they measure up quiet similarly...

2023 Stanley Cup Winner Knights:

Eichel 6'2'', Karlsson 6ft, Machy 5'9'', Smith 6'1'', Howden 6'2'', Stone 6'3'', Barbashev 6'1'' 

i am a little surprised that Eichel is only 6'2! but as you pointed and i do agree, D size matters and they have a LARGE D. we are just married to our D as finesse so can't really do much unless we really rock the boat - Spurge, Brodin, Faber, Chissy they all stay. Midds playing great and they seem to be locked into Bogo. Not sure there is a way to beef up our D. 

2024 Stanley Cup Winner Panthers:

Barkov 6'3'', Bennett 6'1'', Forsling 6'1'', Lundell 6'1'', Reinhart 6'1'', Tkachuk 6'2'', Verhaeghe 6'2'', Tarasenko 6'1'', Luostarinen 6'3''

That is a large group

2025 Stanley Cup Winner Wild: 🍻

Boldy 6'2'', Ek 6'3'', Foligno 6'3'', Gaudreau 6, Johansson 6'1'', Trenin 6'2'', Kap 5'10'', Rossi 5'9'', Zuccy 5'8'', Marat 5'11, Harty 6

On the surface we (Wild) do have some height but it is not spread out enough. We are likely to see Boldy with Ek and MJ once Zuccy comes back leaving L1 as 5'10 5'9 5'8. And that goes against the trend. Can that line survive the season and the playoffs? 

[FredJohnson]

 

[mnhockeyfan03]

B Tkachuk might be available.  Let’s go get him! I watched the senators broadcast before the Wild game and it’s all their announcers could talk about.  He is sick of loosing and letting it be known.  Let’s get him and make a run a Tuch as well.  Need to unload spurgeon for cap space.  

https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2024/11/brady-tkachuk-becoming-problem-for.html

[1Brotherbill]

On 11/25/2024 at 8:54 AM, Imyourhuckleberry said:

It would really depend on his contract, wouldn't it? If he's on a good contract, he will definitely be tradeable, but maybe they just decide to keep him at that point.

A Daniel Briere type of player could be fairly useful for any team.

The thing is if he is playing well it is a good contract.  If he isn't playing well then it is a bad contact.  If he plays well he won't be traded. If he is playing poorly he won't be traded either.  One because the Wild won't want to give him up and the other is because nobody else will want him.

[mnfaninnc]

On 11/25/2024 at 12:46 PM, OldDutchChip said:

on the other hand -

I've been banging on this drum for quite awhile!

[mnfaninnc]

On 11/25/2024 at 1:57 PM, Pewterschmidt said:

Buy why Brodin P-Jingles?  Watch JoBro anytime there's a scrum.  He's so sandpaper averse that he sometimes doesn't even tie up a guy in order to avoid any risk of unpleasantness

When others are bringing sandpaper to the discussion, Brodin calmly displays his dust cloth!

[mnfaninnc]

On 11/25/2024 at 2:02 PM, OldDutchChip said:

may even add trenin to this list - imagine him fight ..... he'll likely slip and fall before a punch is thrown.

You mean the Boldy overhand right strategy?