Article: Marco Rossi Is Still Looking For the Benefit Of the Doubt

[OldDutchChip]

4 minutes ago, TheGoosesAreLooses said:

We haven't even seen him in playoffs yet Pewter and you still can conclusively say he will be not good in the post season? Seems a little premature.

it all comes down to two points. 

1. reality - line of 5'8'' 5'9'' and 5'10'' players as your CORE will not work in the playoffs. there is no precedence for it. it just does not work.

2. wild are NOT in the business of taking a slow look at what they have. sure if Rossi is playing for Hawks or Sharks they can take their time and see who they have, see how he does in the playoffs. But we are not them. We have a superstar to worry about. Scratch that a top 3 player in the world. That is the only priority. You go into playoffs with such a tiny line, Wild get whooped, Kap says - "well we tried and guess their ok with status quo, which i am not, so i'll take my talent to XXXX". That's it. We do nothing - there is just no way Kap stays on to "help" us out further. If we do something - then who will help us with that? You got Rossi, Zeev or Yurov. That's it. Another reality. You can complain, bring up stats and comparison all you like. It does NOT matter. To have any chance of enticing Kap to stay, the team must show him that he matters. It won't do that by getting bounced by Dallas or Jets or Avs in the first round and having Kap concussed and broken. Rossi and Zuccy - cannot protect Kap. And it's not about the goons that sit on the bench and bark. It's about help on his line. You mentioned how Marchy won Conn Smythe.....you think it helped having to play with Eichel and Stone? again i ask - which of our hulks is Eichel and which one is Stone? Rossi or Zuccy?

[Mateo3xm]

18 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

Haha all your posts you did just proved you know nothing about hockey and how to build a playoff team.  You don’t pay Rossi 6-7mm.  You trade him for someone better with a prospect or pick. We have a team of small guys that needs to be addressed

The only thing you’ve said is that this team needs to get bigger and that stats don’t matter.I think most people here know you don’t know yours from a hole in the ground.Stats are something tangible and shows what a player is doing in the game. Sure the eye test is an aspect but stats are the result.

I’ve already said this team needs to get bigger, I’ve been saying that for years. Rossi isn’t who you should be looking to get rid of though and I’m well aware of how to build a playoff team.

To say stats don’t matter and tell me i dont know what I’m talking about is hilarious. Go ahead and dig yourself deeper though, it’s entertaining.

[Pewterschmidt]

46 minutes ago, TheGoosesAreLooses said:

We haven't even seen him in playoffs yet Pewter and you still can conclusively say he will be not good in the post season? Seems a little premature.

Our current lineup example/proxy is Zuccy.   Point producer in regular season, not so much postseason.  Zuc and Rossi play similar physicality game (ie none), and get manhandled in post season

 this isn’t Rossi hate, I just think it’s an opportunity for Guerin to flip Rossi for a rugged top 6 winger

[Tony Abbott]

All this talk and all the guy does is score another goal. 

[OldDutchChip]

6 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said:

All this talk and all the guy does is score another goal. 

MJ assisted on a goal and you all hate him

Edited November 15 by OldDutchChip

[M_Nels]

55 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

Zuc and Rossi play similar physicality game (ie none), and get manhandled in post season

Rossi isn't a bruiser by any means but he plays much more physical. A lot stronger on the walls and net front than Zucc is and he doesn't get pushed off the puck near as easy as Zucc.

[Pewterschmidt]

24 minutes ago, M_Nels said:

Rossi isn't a bruiser by any means but he plays much more physical. A lot stronger on the walls and net front than Zucc is and he doesn't get pushed off the puck near as easy as Zucc.

Agree on this Rossi vs zuc comparison

[Tony Abbott]

1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

MJ assisted on a goal and you all hate him

Good point, when you look at just last night, their stats do look sort of similar.

[TheGoosesAreLooses]

2 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

it all comes down to two points. 

1. reality - line of 5'8'' 5'9'' and 5'10'' players as your CORE will not work in the playoffs. there is no precedence for it. it just does not work.

2. wild are NOT in the business of taking a slow look at what they have. sure if Rossi is playing for Hawks or Sharks they can take their time and see who they have, see how he does in the playoffs. But we are not them. We have a superstar to worry about. Scratch that a top 3 player in the world. That is the only priority. You go into playoffs with such a tiny line, Wild get whooped, Kap says - "well we tried and guess their ok with status quo, which i am not, so i'll take my talent to XXXX". That's it. We do nothing - there is just no way Kap stays on to "help" us out further. If we do something - then who will help us with that? You got Rossi, Zeev or Yurov. That's it. Another reality. You can complain, bring up stats and comparison all you like. It does NOT matter. To have any chance of enticing Kap to stay, the team must show him that he matters. It won't do that by getting bounced by Dallas or Jets or Avs in the first round and having Kap concussed and broken. Rossi and Zuccy - cannot protect Kap. And it's not about the goons that sit on the bench and bark. It's about help on his line. You mentioned how Marchy won Conn Smythe.....you think it helped having to play with Eichel and Stone? again i ask - which of our hulks is Eichel and which one is Stone? Rossi or Zuccy?

1. That isn't our entire core though. Yes, it is one line the way we are currently running the lines. We also have Faber, Boldy, Ek, Foligno, Trenin, Brodin and Middleton signed for the next 3-4 years. All of which are over 6 foot. It is one line, who is playing awesome reg season hockey that Heinzy can easily swap to include more physical players when playoffs come.

2. Ah yes. I forgot you have a secret telephone line where Kap tells you exactly what he wants with every minute that passes. It is fear mongering constantly with you. The best thing they can do is play well not trade for some imaginary desire you think Kap has expressed even though he hasn't in any media form I have seen. They will have more money to play with on July 1st and can make some moves and see if Kap will sign. Until then you're just suggesting screwing with a good thing, possibly giving away assets that were contributing to that chemistry, by trading a player. If a chance comes up before the deadline to add some size (with skill), maybe, but i think going all in on an acquisition for this year is premature and will only cost us huge at the deadline, when prices are highest vs seeing if Kap is willing to talk on July 1st and having a plan whether he is or isn't. Until then the only thing he has said is he wants to focus on hockey. That seems to be working well. Pulling anything else imaginary from what Kap may or may not want is pointless and not worth the wild speculation.

[OldDutchChip]

40 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said:

Good point, when you look at just last night, their stats do look sort of similar.

yeah stats has Rossi on par with Bedard. very nice! 

what do the stats tell us about freddy g? well he is outperforming Elias Petterson!

hooray so basically we have Bedard and Petterson now on the wild. 

not weird.

[OldDutchChip]

9 minutes ago, TheGoosesAreLooses said:

1. That isn't our entire core though. Yes, it is one line the way we are currently running the lines. We also have Faber, Boldy, Ek, Foligno, Trenin, Brodin and Middleton signed for the next 3-4 years. All of which are over 6 foot. It is one line, who is playing awesome reg season hockey that Heinzy can easily swap to include more physical players when playoffs come.

2. Ah yes. I forgot you have a secret telephone line where Kap tells you exactly what he wants with every minute that passes. It is fear mongering constantly with you. The best thing they can do is play well not trade for some imaginary desire you think Kap has expressed even though he hasn't in any media form I have seen. They will have more money to play with on July 1st and can make some moves and see if Kap will sign. Until then you're just suggesting screwing with a good thing, possibly giving away assets that were contributing to that chemistry, by trading a player. If a chance comes up before the deadline to add some size (with skill), maybe, but i think going all in on an acquisition for this year is premature and will only cost us huge at the deadline, when prices are highest vs seeing if Kap is willing to talk on July 1st and having a plan whether he is or isn't. Until then the only thing he has said is he wants to focus on hockey. That seems to be working well. Pulling anything else imaginary from what Kap may or may not want is pointless and not worth the wild speculation.

it is our entire top line. our top line that has our franchise player. the same player that was abused time and time again by physicality and then injured because there was no repercussion against the savagery. it does NOT matter that we have foligno on the bench. you need to deter it at the core. and our core cannot deter a fly. 

no i do not have a phone line to Kap. but i think i have a more honest take on how the situation will play out then most. 

[Pewterschmidt]

1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said:

hooray so basically we have Bedard and Petterson now on the wild. 

not weird.

 

[Tony Abbott]

6 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

yeah stats has Rossi on par with Bedard. very nice! 

what do the stats tell us about freddy g? well he is outperforming Elias Petterson!

hooray so basically we have Bedard and Petterson now on the wild. 

not weird.

That makes sense that they'd have the same amount of points because they're both 5-foot-9, and all 5-foot-9 players are the same.

[OldDutchChip]

1 minute ago, Tony Abbott said:

That makes sense that they'd have the same amount of points because they're both 5-foot-9, and all 5-foot-9 players are the same.

oh right i completely forgot about Rossi being more Marchand than Bedard.

[Tony Abbott]

"Let's see what Rossi does driving a line without Kaprizov"

Another 5-on-5 point and two on-ice goals for. Can't wait for the goalposts to move to "Let's see him make Lauko into Jonathan Cheechoo."

[Pewterschmidt]

14 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said:

"Let's see what Rossi does driving a line without Kaprizov"

Another 5-on-5 point and two on-ice goals for. Can't wait for the goalposts to move to "Let's see him make Lauko into Jonathan Cheechoo."

You didn’t hear it from me but Laukzy has been a sneaky good acquisition.  Faster and more offensively skilled than expected.  
 

calling my shot: bro is a middle six contributor by end of season. 

[Tony Abbott]

He's fast and smart, I just don't think he has the hands.

[Enforceror]

7 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said:

He's fast and smart, I just don't think he has the hands.

If he could handle the puck he'd be unstoppable. At 24, is there any hope for improvement?

[Will D. Ness]

Rossi looks better when he is not on the top line.  More at ease.  He had a nice game last night. 

Lauko might have better hands if he slows down, but I think his full speed ahead and play with chaos is what we need.

Also, anyone notice Hoos Nuts and KK97 that one shift?  If anyone is a Zuccy replacement it might be #22.

[Pewterschmidt]

30 minutes ago, Will D. Ness said:

Rossi looks better when he is not on the top line.  More at ease.  He had a nice game last night. 

Lauko might have better hands if he slows down, but I think his full speed ahead and play with chaos is what we need.

Also, anyone notice Hoos Nuts and KK97 that one shift?  If anyone is a Zuccy replacement it might be #22.

I'm guessing Hoozy is playing a pretty guarded game right now (per coach's orders on 4th line duty.  Looking at you Marco).  As Hynzy gives him more rope I think we'll see more flashes from "Russian Khuz never break" and that little rascal will climb the lineup.

It's great to have decent prospects in the pipeline again (looking at you Fletcher)