Article: Zeev Buium’s Impact Goes Further Than the Stat Sheet

[OldDutchChip]

9 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

Put your head between your knees because ODC is launching more truth bombs.

M-Rat is what it looks like to create your own opportunity.  Dude got that dog in him, that a small player needs to stay in a lineup.  I see him climbing in the lineup this year into next. 

haha thanks mate!

Marat is doing just that. knock that door down and claim a spot in top 9. 

the dude has the skill and motor. 

[MNCountryLife]

Both Rossi and Knut have stepped up this year.  I like that Knut has been given a shot to play up with Kirill a time or 2.  Tease him and make him want to take that extra step.   Rossi is definitely playing well, yet I still feel that he will continue to improve and has not plateaued yet.  The young guys are stepping up.  A bit more patience and additions of Yurov, Ohgrem and Buium could really set this team up to compete the next few years.

[Mateo3xm]

16 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

I'm going to ask it here to: In the offseason, is Matthew Knies a target to offersheet for us? The more I think about it the more this looks like

Boldy-Ek-Kaprizov

Knies-Rossi-Yurov

The thing that bothers me a bit is all these guys are LHS. But, jeez, that looks like a pick your poison top 6!

I highly doubt they are going to let knies go. That dudes a stud.

[Enforceror]

26 minutes ago, MNCountryLife said:

The young guys are stepping up.  A bit more patience and additions of Yurov, Ohgrem and Buium could really set this team up to compete the next few years.

Just learned that Saturday Ohgren got himself a hatty. Toporowski got two goals in his first game back. 2 assists for Bankier.

[Mateo3xm]

14 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

not sure about Q1-3 but maybe he is not who we thought he was? here goes my Q to piggie back -

Q4 - Is the talk about becoming a more rounded defensemen a bit of a switch to cover our behinds? yeah yeah he is still great but now instead of scoring, he does the LITTLE things. He is a student of the game. Did you miss Kimmy J? well you are in luck. shit i don't miss Kimmy and i was thinking that this was a steal of the draft? another Hughes or Makar? No? whowouldasunkit (move the kid with Rossi + Trenin for Brady or Tuch)

Q5 - why was Mogilny skipped over? was Daniel Alfredsen better than him? Was Roenick or Weber? Shiiit he probably is better than 97.5% (yeah i've done the math) of players in HoF. oh well. i just wish i didn't loose a stick that had mogilny's name on it. 

Q5 - 

You have some of the goofiest and most half baked thoughts on here.

Buium is a point per game player on a team that is undefeated and won it all last year. It’s common for some prospects to explode offensively then take the next year of development to focus on rounding their game so it better fits the next level. A point per game as a defenseman is still very very good.

 

Do you catch it in the article when they said:

“The prospect is shooting slightly less this year and is also seeing some of his usage go to Bemidji transfer Eric Pohlkamp.”

So obviously he’s probably not getting as much chances as he did before. The coach is sharing the wealth. Pohlkamp is 20yrs old and also very talented. 

Your question about “Maybe he’s not who we thought he was” is just ridiculous.

[Mateo3xm]

5 hours ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

Denver is scoring 4.9 goals per game(up from 4.6 so far) and allowing 1.3(down from 2.7 so far). I think they're still a juggernaut. A 4-2 win over Wisconsin is the closest result so far, with all other games won by 3+ goals.

They did lose Shai Buium(2021 2nd round pick for Detroit), but replaced him with Eric Pohlkamp, a strong(5'11", 201 lbs) defenseman from Baxter, MN, drafted in the 5th round by San Jose back in 2023.

Some returning players like Zeev Buium might not be getting as many minutes early in the year while they are blowing out some opponents.

Exactly 

[Mateo3xm]

4 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

That is silly to say. Even now - if you replace Rossi with Marat - he'll get the same production. And to me - Rossi has plateaud, while Marat's trajectory is still very much tbd. He might be our Fiala, much cheaper, and much more complete of a player. 

The same production?? Marats shot is nowhere near as good as Rossi’s..Its just crazy to me that you think that but then again it’s coming from someone who doesn’t have a clue what’s going on. How has Rossi plateaued you goofball? He’s basically a point per game? And he hasn’t even entered his prime years. How’s Marat going to be Fiala when he doesn’t shoot and isn’t known for his shot?

Statistics don’t lie and they are an excellent prediction on how they will succeed in the future as long as they don’t have any glaring holes in their game.

[Mateo3xm]

3 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

You both are silly. Marat's role is different right now! He plays with Trenin! He plays on PK! But no let's compare him on ppg stats.....Measuring players using stats is not the only way to evaluate a player. 

I am also not saying Marat is currently deserving of it, but he may be in talks next year, as he is playing better and better. Dude got skill and speed. 

It's like Rossi is the sacred cow here. Be strong - Rossi will get traded soon and i don't want any tears!

Go have another beer you goofball. Rossi put up 21g 20a on the 3rd line with scrubs for linemates and had no power play time. We’ve already had this discussion and you’ve forgotten it already. Ppl on this comment section are informed about this, you obviously are not.

[OldDutchChip]

1 hour ago, Mateo3xm said:

 

You have some of the goofiest and most half baked thoughts on here.

Buium is a point per game player on a team that is undefeated and won it all last year. It’s common for some prospects to explode offensively then take the next year of development to focus on rounding their game so it better fits the next level. A point per game as a defenseman is still very very good.

 

Do you catch it in the article when they said:

“The prospect is shooting slightly less this year and is also seeing some of his usage go to Bemidji transfer Eric Pohlkamp.”

So obviously he’s probably not getting as much chances as he did before. The coach is sharing the wealth. Pohlkamp is 20yrs old and also very talented. 

Your question about “Maybe he’s not who we thought he was” is just ridiculous.

right.... my goodness - you build a shrine next to every prospect Wild draft? that's a lot of work! maybe wait and see first? 

[OldDutchChip]

49 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

The same production?? Marats shot is nowhere near as good as Rossi’s..Its just crazy to me that you think that but then again it’s coming from someone who doesn’t have a clue what’s going on. How has Rossi plateaued you goofball? He’s basically a point per game? And he hasn’t even entered his prime years. How’s Marat going to be Fiala when he doesn’t shoot and isn’t known for his shot?

Statistics don’t lie and they are an excellent prediction on how they will succeed in the future as long as they don’t have any glaring holes in their game.

have you seen videos of marat's game in khl? maybe watch that before claiming something. and yes - being the beneficiary of kaprizov and zuccy dominance is not a bad thing. good for rossi. 

stats don't lie - okay - let's talk Yurov - tell me genius - are we here saying that we can pencil in Yurov as the next Kuch? or maybe Matt Tkachuk? or maybe even .... dare i dream -> Nail Yakupov? no too tough to say and too great of a variance and too different of players? maybe then more info is needed? and maybe we say - that using only a numerical comparison / projection is a flawed way to analyze and compare players and people should take caution and combine that with their EYE analysis and other meaningful parts of the story, might be good to try, ha?

[OldDutchChip]

51 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

Go have another beer you goofball. Rossi put up 21g 20a on the 3rd line with scrubs for linemates and had no power play time. We’ve already had this discussion and you’ve forgotten it already. Ppl on this comment section are informed about this, you obviously are not.

i am already trying to forget our current discussion

[Enforceror]

I appreciate the diversity of opinion here. If we all had the same takes, it would be a pretty dull forum. Fortunately, we are all just spectators and cant influence management of the team (as much as we would like to sometimes). 

I for one think Rossi is doing well at his position. Could it be better? Of course. Would some extra size and speed be helpful? Yep. 

I wouldn't be sad at all if we held onto him, I think he is still growing as a player. That being said, if we trade him to get the perfect piece for the team, I'm down.

Cheers to all.

[IllicitFive]

18 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

I'm going to ask it here to: In the offseason, is Matthew Knies a target to offersheet for us? The more I think about it the more this looks like

Boldy-Ek-Kaprizov

Knies-Rossi-Yurov

The thing that bothers me a bit is all these guys are LHS. But, jeez, that looks like a pick your poison top 6!

If they sign  Knies they will probably lose marner, who I think is having some locker room issues there if I recall correctly. either way would be a nice add imo. 

[Citizen Strife]

Marner sure as fuck is out of the Wild's price range if they want to re-sign Kap for anything approaching the number he's going to get.

[Mateo3xm]

21 hours ago, OldDutchChip said:

stats don't lie - okay - let's talk Yurov - tell me genius - are we here saying that we can pencil in Yurov as the next Kuch? or maybe Matt Tkachuk? or maybe even .... dare i dream -> Nail Yakupov? no too tough to say and too great of a variance and too different of players? maybe then more info is needed? and maybe we say - that using only a numerical comparison / projection is a flawed way to analyze and compare players and people should take caution and combine that with their EYE analysis and other meaningful parts of the story, might be good to try, ha?

The difference with Nail is he wanted no part in playing defense..at all.

Yurov is coming off of a shoulder surgery that’s why he isn’t scoring as much rn that’s very common when players are coming back from a serious injury. He broke the Khl U20 scoring record beating Kaprizov, Kuch, Buchnevich, Panarin, Tarasanko etc. Of course watching prospects is very helpful and that’s why I watch when I can or rely on highly knowledgeable writers to inform me on his play. Unlike Nail Yukapov, Yurov is a very very good defensive player, his skating is above NHL average, he has a great shot, is extremely intelligent and just as good of a passer.
Like I said, when you have a player that’s achieved those things at an elite level with no glaring holes in their game, it’s a great indicator of how they will be at the next level. Who he will be, when he gets to the NHL, will vary but I don’t have a lot of doubt that he will be a great player in the nhl. Somewhere between a 1st and 2nd line player that has the potential to score 60-80pts or more. You are unaware of all the info on some of these prospects so that’s why you’re hesitant. I have been trying to tell you about these prospects but it obviously goes in one ear and out the other every time.
If I had a considerable amount of doubt on a prospect I wouldn’t defend them. I’m giving you stats and many other variables to back up my opinion on prospects like Yurov and Buium. These two have done things that no other prospect has done and that’s another indication of future success.

 

 

[OldDutchChip]

13 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

The difference with Nail is he wanted no part in playing defense..at all.

Yurov is coming off of a shoulder surgery that’s why he isn’t scoring as much rn that’s very common when players are coming back from a serious injury. He broke the Khl U20 scoring record beating Kaprizov, Kuch, Buchnevich, Panarin, Tarasanko etc. Of course watching prospects is very helpful and that’s why I watch when I can or rely on highly knowledgeable writers to inform me on his play. Unlike Nail Yukapov, Yurov is a very very good defensive player, his skating is above NHL average, he has a great shot, is extremely intelligent and just as good of a passer.
Like I said, when you have a player that’s achieved those things at an elite level with no glaring holes in their game, it’s a great indicator of how they will be at the next level. Who he will be, when he gets to the NHL, will vary but I don’t have a lot of doubt that he will be a great player in the nhl. Somewhere between a 1st and 2nd line player that has the potential to score 60-80pts or more. You are unaware of all the info on some of these prospects so that’s why you’re hesitant. I have been trying to tell you about these prospects but it obviously goes in one ear and out the other every time.
If I had a considerable amount of doubt on a prospect I wouldn’t defend them. I’m giving you stats and many other variables to back up my opinion on prospects like Yurov and Buium. These two have done things that no other prospect has done and that’s another indication of future success.

 

 

were you the one that told me about Ohgren being a top 6 shoe in? 

 

[Mateo3xm]

On 11/13/2024 at 7:53 AM, OldDutchChip said:

But fine here is amended top 3 after shrimp gets traded

Also another thing that you don’t seem to realize is Marat is 5’9 just like Rossi. He was listed at 5’11 on one website but everyone knows that’s bs. Marat is a poor man’s Rossi that doesn’t score goals. I do think that he has a lot of heart and is a tenacious player.

[OldDutchChip]

1 minute ago, Mateo3xm said:

Also another thing that you don’t seem to realize is Marat is 5’9 just like Rossi. He was listed at 5’11 on one website but everyone knows that’s bs. Marat is a poor man’s Rossi that doesn’t score goals. I do think that he has a lot of heart and is a tenacious player.

poor man's rossi. ok. go watch his highlights from KHL a bit more and see what he has to offer. he is playing how and where he is being asked to play. if/when he gets his chance he will bring it. 

[Mateo3xm]

47 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

were you the one that told me about Ohgren being a top 6 shoe in? 

 

I’ve never said that. I’m not sold on him but I wouldn’t be surprised if he landed in the top 6. Most likely the 3rd line but could see him being a 2nd line wing that could possibly score 20-25g in a season.

[OldDutchChip]

11 minutes ago, Mateo3xm said:

I’ve never said that. I’m not sold on him but I wouldn’t be surprised if he landed in the top 6. Most likely the 3rd line but could see him being a 2nd line wing that could possibly score 20-25g in a season.

we'll wait and see

[LittleBallofHate]

1) Having a variety of young centers with a chance of holding their water in the NHL is a great problem to have. I also think The "Piss Rocket" (Khus), could be a functional higher tier center. I think he could be incredible locker room/energy with a few other Russians. The dude blocks pucks with his face in games that his team is going to win. He is fast, he throws noticeable checks on the big guys & it is hilarious when you can tell the big guy thinks he is going to pull back with a light stick-check (75% of the MN Wild, but not the Piss-Rocket). It is the same kind of Piss'n'vinegar that you can't teach. I'm happy with Rossi, but also he should pack some trade value as well, this is another good problem.

2) Gaudreau has started playing hockey again, he is also one of our best shots at winning a draw consistently. We need a center that can win draws in the big spots (offensive zone on the PP - aka: a Dallas Cherrypicker)

3) Buium is one of those players that just plain wins. He produces whether he is on a championship team, or junior nationals. That is a good prospect that learns from a powerhouse system & still applies it to produce on other teams... Not a prospect that you should poopoo IMO. He is still posting high-tier assist numbers... on an undefeated team, again, this is a good thing to see that he has not just disappeared this year. Also, did ok at the Combine, so he is not a shrimp.

[mnfaninnc]

On 11/13/2024 at 11:50 AM, OldDutchChip said:

With Marat - it's tough to see but the skills are starting to show. the numbers will of course tell a different story (yes PPG is low - surprise!), but that's the reality when your assignment is different and you play with Trenin and kill penalty vs being on line with Kap and play PP2. but speed and passion and skills he has and some feisty in him (i mentioned before that id like him to morph into kozlov and given his notable spunk - esp with refs (for good or bad tbd) i think he is on his way). wow too many parenthesis! 

On this, results generally lag, so if you're starting to see the sneaky skill, where he makes some really nice subtle plays, having finishers with him would truly benefit him. His skill right now is at a point where Ek was when he 1st came over. Give him time and minutes and he'll keep getting better.

 

On 11/13/2024 at 11:50 AM, OldDutchChip said:

Zuccy - i just don't see him on 4th line. he still is extremely productive and him and Kap.....you just have to play it smart and not alienate Kap by dumping his bro

Do you not think that Kaprizov likes playing with Boldy? Here's where we have a paradox: Zuccy is Kaprizov's BFF, but Boldy is the better player and the 2 together likely help the Wild win more games. This is especially true if we can fill that 2nd line with Yurov + Knies (or a guy like Knies, I'm not unconvinced that Tuch could do this too). 

Pulling Zuccarello along when his skating speed is diminishing isn't the smartest of plans. Where does Zuccy do the most damage? On the PP. Keep him fresh! Put him in the top 6 when they need a jolt or an injury occurs. Try to keep him out of the way from slappers. And, let Zuccy help MaRat along too. 

On 11/13/2024 at 11:50 AM, OldDutchChip said:

Yurov - who knows. i haven't heard much from him. Recall how the talk was that Ohgr will come in and claim top 6 and then we have the usual "acclimation" period. I'd be surprised if Yurov comes in and does not need the same. 

Danila Yurov has 21 gp 5-6-11 +3. This is on page 3 of the leading scorers in the K. I also uncovered a Nail Yakupov sighting with the same number of points yet a -18...Yikes!!!! The top of the list scorers are about a PPG, and Yurov is half that. Most of those scorers are 25+ too. Metallurg is also 4th in their division at 14-14. They recently went through a 4 game losing streak. I do think they didn't fair well while Yurov was injured for 7 games, if that helps anything. 

Interestingly, the K season is almost at 30 games. That's a lot of games before Thanksgiving.

[mnfaninnc]

On 11/14/2024 at 1:08 PM, OldDutchChip said:

poor man's rossi. ok. go watch his highlights from KHL a bit more and see what he has to offer. he is playing how and where he is being asked to play. if/when he gets his chance he will bring it. 

I have seen some excellent acceleration from MaRat, but I haven't seen much of that blazing speed. It looks to me like he gears down so that his teammates can keep up with him, and he does it responsibly so that nobody is getting past him going the other way. Lauko is a good linemate for him due to his speed. I wonder if Johansson could be useful on this line with his speed too?

[mnfaninnc]

On 11/15/2024 at 12:19 PM, LittleBallofHate said:

2) Gaudreau has started playing hockey again, he is also one of our best shots at winning a draw consistently. We need a center that can win draws in the big spots (offensive zone on the PP - aka: a Dallas Cherrypicker)

I am fine with some wings taking draws instead of the center if they are better. It's the deep skate into the defensive zone that troubles me with Gaudreau, mainly because he is slower afoot. 

[mnfaninnc]

On 11/13/2024 at 1:03 PM, Mateo3xm said:

I highly doubt they are going to let knies go. That dudes a stud.

That's what the offersheet is for. Knies is on an ELC, he likely gets way more money next RFA. If they plan to simply qualify and bridge him, we could steal him. Toronto is a bit cap challenged, though, Tavares falls off at the end of this year.