Article: The Wild Should Pay Marco Rossi Now

[Pewterschmidt]

BG will utilize the IA grist for the injury fill-in mill, not a top prospect in Ogz

Reese Johnson, BJ, and maybe even Hey Mikey He Likes It Milne.

*insert LIFE cereal commercial gif from 1965*

[Patrick]

Sign him now. The kid works hard and has improved every year except when he had a life threatening heart condition. He is a winner. Sign him! 

[Protec]

2 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

BG will utilize the IA grist for the injury fill-in mill, not a top prospect in Ogz

Reese Johnson, BJ, and maybe even Hey Mikey He Likes It Milne.

*insert LIFE cereal commercial gif from 1965*

I'm thinking it was the 80's but no biggie. 😁

[Citizen Strife]

https://x.com/nyp_brooksie/status/1849856037911920918?s=46&t=z1pcAD6NKpgctILwGA45_A

Welp, add yet more ammunition to the, "Rossi won't come cheap" scenario.  Laf had seasons of 30, 40, and 60 points on a much bigger profile team like the Rangers.  He may have the "former #1 pick" mojo to justify it, but it's just another high price to reset the market.

[OldDutchChip]

43 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

https://x.com/nyp_brooksie/status/1849856037911920918?s=46&t=z1pcAD6NKpgctILwGA45_A

Welp, add yet more ammunition to the, "Rossi won't come cheap" scenario.  Laf had seasons of 30, 40, and 60 points on a much bigger profile team like the Rangers.  He may have the "former #1 pick" mojo to justify it, but it's just another high price to reset the market.

rossi can sign his bridge deal (4MM for 2 years) or go to arbitration. he can also enjoy riding along Kap who will help his stats. but the likelihood is billy's plan is to play him with Kap, build up his trade value up and ship him out for someone who is a much better fit. yes there'll be tears from a few on this forum. but i am ok with that. 🍻 stay strong my friends! tough times ahead. 

spoiler - Gus won't save 96% of shots for much longer. Merrill Chissy Midds and Bogo are due regression at some point. don't make me find Tony's articles on Bogo!

unless you believe in miracles...

[Pewterschmidt]

2 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said:

but the likelihood is billy's plan is to play him with Kap, build up his trade value up and ship him out for someone who is a much better fit.

I think this is a likely scenario at this point.

Idea for Wilderness overlords:  Post polls on topics like this so that we can make our predictions on the poll and then reference the poll after the fact to do victory lap OR eat crow.

[OldDutchChip]

1 minute ago, Pewterschmidt said:

I think this is a likely scenario at this point.

Idea for Wilderness overlords:  Post polls on topics like this so that we can make our predictions on the poll and then reference the poll after the fact to do victory lap OR eat crow.

i like that! 🍻

[Citizen Strife]

Other than a right handed defenseman or a left winger behind cap (which Yurov or Rossi can be anyway with both on the roster), what exactly is a better fit?  If the answer is another person like Laine, I'd rather not.

[OldDutchChip]

3 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

Other than a right handed defenseman or a left winger behind cap (which Yurov or Rossi can be anyway with both on the roster), what exactly is a better fit?  If the answer is another person like Laine, I'd rather not.

i know Kap loves getting pummeled in the playoffs, but perhaps maybe someone that can take some of that heat? no one doubts the physical attributes of zuccy and rossi but there might be one or two that can help Kap more in the playoffs

Rossi and Zuccy -

[Citizen Strife]

And do you think any of the other 31 teams is just gonna go: hmm...you know what?  This tall, strong, bruising high end scorer thing isn't working out.  Let's get a different one?"

Sorry, but NHL GMs are still hung up on the size thing like it matters.

I'll keep the PPG passenger cause he is playing well with the best players right now.

The future is the unknown.  What I see right now is a guy scoring or assisting goals each and every game.  Sorry if I'm not hung up on a guy's size if he's one of the top scorers on the team.

Risking that success because someone who isn't on the team "might" be a better fit compared to the guy already proving he IS the right fit already is just fucking dumb.

Acting like Kaprizov is the only reason that line is working is almost as stupid.  Tell me how Victor Rask and Sam Steel worked out.

Edited October 25 by Citizen Strife

[Tony Abbott]

Weird how Joel Eriksson Ek and Matt Boldy had career-highs playing with Kaprizov, and somehow they weren't passengers...

[OldDutchChip]

45 minutes ago, Tony Abbott said:

Weird how Joel Eriksson Ek and Matt Boldy had career-highs playing with Kaprizov, and somehow they weren't passengers...

kaprizov played with hartzy who had career high, should we give him 7mm too?

[OldDutchChip]

51 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

 And do you think any of the other 31 teams is just gonna go: hmm...you know what?  This tall, strong, bruising high end scorer thing isn't working out.  Let's get a different one?" 

Sorry, but NHL GMs are still hung up on the size thing like it matters.

I'll keep the PPG passenger cause he is playing well with the best players right now.

The future is the unknown.  What I see right now is a guy scoring or assisting goals each and every game.  Sorry if I'm not hung up on a guy's size if he's one of the top scorers on the team.

Risking that success because someone who isn't on the team "might" be a better fit compared to the guy already proving he IS the right fit already is just fucking dumb.

Acting like Kaprizov is the only reason that line is working is almost as stupid.  Tell me how Victor Rask and Sam Steel worked out.

yeah exactly. size helps in the playoffs. that's why fielding a line with kap zuccy and rossi is not smart. it can still work out, but odds are it won't and very likely will cause injuries on your best player. 

future is known - rossi will not wake up and become a power forward. he will remain granlund/bouchardian player. the way Kap is playing, both Zuccy and Rossi will have a 70 + pt season. But they are not driving that. So yes, they are passengers and benefiting from playing with Kap. 

Acting like Kaprizov is the only reason that line is working is almost as stupid. Kaprizov is playing like a best player in the world and is dragging Rossi and a 37 year old Zuccarello along for the ride. 

You and others can applaud that and be fine with progress. i know there's more, but to achieve that - we have to take a step back (to go two steps forward). 

I think trading Rossi as a package for Tkachuk or Tuch is a move that takes us 2 steps back. I think it's realistic given where Ottawa and Buffalo is; we may loose Rossi and one of Zeev/Yurov - but you know - that's OK. 

[Citizen Strife]

Yes, because Rossi isn't the type of small person who can't score 20 goals and play a full 82 game season...oh wait.

[OldDutchChip]

7 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

Yes, because Rossi isn't the type of small person who can't score 20 goals and play a full 82 game season...oh wait.

Rossi can score 20 goals. He can play 82 games. He likely can play pickle ball too. That's all good. But he is undersized. He plays on a line with Zuccy (who is also VERY undersized). You are not breaking up Zuccy and Kap. So here the reality - you roll with the league's tiniest line into playoffs (IF bottom doesn't fall out) or you beef up Zuccy and Kap's line. 

Here is a reality (sorry for duplicate use of reality 😉 - are you saying that line of Zuccy Rossi and Kap can get anything done in the playoffs against Jets or Stars or Nights? This won't be good for Kap. 

 

Edited October 25 by OldDutchChip

[Citizen Strife]

The same Jets who Middleton scored on BECAUSE of Rossi's pass?  Sure.  Also, I don't give two shits about what happens in "the playoffs."  The team has to make the playoffs first by winning enough games to get there.  I care about what happens on Saturday against the Flyers.

Edited October 25 by Citizen Strife

[OldDutchChip]

6 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

The same Jets who Middleton scored on BECAUSE of Rossi's pass?  Sure.  Also, I don't give two shits about what happens in "the playoffs."  The team has to make the playoffs first by winning enough games to get there.  I care about what happens on Saturday against the Flyers.

well with that thinking we should just end the season now. nothing else to do - we dethroned last year's champs. or maybe  we should extend fleury because he was good last game? maybe an overreaction?

common my friend - you know full well that playoffs heats up and you want to give your player the best chance at success. currently wild are riding a hot streak. why not try to tap into it and see how far this streak can go. vegas are a master class in that. they act savagely in times, but with a plan in mind to drive results faster than most people are accustom to. that's skills and balls.

that's what i want out of my team. yes it be shrewd move to package a ppg player in Rossi, but what if we can pluck away Brady Tkachuk. You going to tell me that a line with him Zuccy and Kap is not f#cking scary? And i don't care he is not a true Center. F that. That line with EK and Boldy can drive us all the way to SC. 

Like Accept sang balls to the wall and f#ck it all - or something like that!

[Citizen Strife]

Ottawa hasn't made the playoffs since Tkachuk was drafted, so I'm not exactly sure I'd be using him as prime fodder for this discussion.  The only think Brady knows about the playoffs is what his brother tells him over breakfast.

Edited October 25 by Citizen Strife

[OldDutchChip]

9 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

Ottawa hasn't made the playoffs since Tkachuk was drafted, so I'm not exactly sure I'd be using him as prime fodder for this discussion.  The only think Brady knows about the playoffs is what his brother tells him over breakfast.

stone and eichel weren't very successful on their teams either before moving to vegas. that turned out ok.....i think brady has about the same impact in him as those two.

[Enforceror]

You could always flip Ek and Rossi come playoff time. Wasn't it said that Boldy/Rossi were supposed to have some past chemistry? Honestly with the line mixups Heinzys been throwing out there, who knows? Pretty sure I've seen Ek, Boldy, Lauko for two games in a row.

[Protec]

Rossi has had a few posts already.

He could have had 2-3 more goals, no exaggeration.

He's done exactly what Guerin asked and has proven some of us wrong. 

I'll say again, Rossi should get a fair number without special protections like Boldy. I tend to agree since Wallstedt got extended, Rossi should too. Sooner the better, but if the season production is great and he gets more $$$ or becomes a stronger trade piece. That's fine too. I just don't see at this point how Rossi's value doesn't equal the types of players you could get. 

Undersized guys can work if the team's system jives with wins. I do think MN has been easy to play against before. Let's hope that's changed despite not having a lineup of big players. 

[OldDutchChip]

41 minutes ago, Protec said:

Rossi has had a few posts already.

He could have had 2-3 more goals, no exaggeration.

He's done exactly what Guerin asked and has proven some of us wrong. 

I'll say again, Rossi should get a fair number without special protections like Boldy. I tend to agree since Wallstedt got extended, Rossi should too. Sooner the better, but if the season production is great and he gets more $$$ or becomes a stronger trade piece. That's fine too. I just don't see at this point how Rossi's value doesn't equal the types of players you could get. 

Undersized guys can work if the team's system jives with wins. I do think MN has been easy to play against before. Let's hope that's changed despite not having a lineup of big players. 

He's done exactly what Guerin asked and has proven some of us wrong. Yes, he has done what everyone does at their job. Guerin is a GM and can demand a level of play he thinks is needed. Rossi is playing well but there is a ceiling with him. You just cannot compare him to guys who drive the play better, some of the time ON THEIR OWN and also have a bit of nasty streak to them (Tkachuk and Tuch). How can we continue to compare Rossi with either of them?? They are just not equal. Rossi is fine complimentary piece, but we already have that - Zuccy. And he is locked to Kap. We cannot afford another. You just do not send such a tiny line to a playoff battle. It does not work. Kaprizov is the larger of the three but he cannot do it all (although he is doing just that) but at some point he'd take the help - and Rossi will be that odd man out - it just has to happen. So keep getting those pts Rossi and get us Brady 🍻

[OldDutchChip]

57 minutes ago, Enforceror said:

You could always flip Ek and Rossi come playoff time. Wasn't it said that Boldy/Rossi were supposed to have some past chemistry? Honestly with the line mixups Heinzys been throwing out there, who knows? Pretty sure I've seen Ek, Boldy, Lauko for two games in a row.

you could but i'm not sure if Rossi can drive that line. at this point Boldy and Ek are about as locked as Zuccy and Kap. So we either move Rossi to Ek's wing (but then we have MJ.....) or leave Rossi with Zuccy and Kap - and that just won't work long term - Kap will get demolished! 

another option you bridge Rossi, trade for a center (Tuch will likely cost us Yurov, but i'd do it) and then slide Rossi to center 3rd line. Play him there for half a year and see the progress. 

[Citizen Strife]

Or...you could just keep Rossi with some money, have Yurov on an ELC, let them play it out and see who is better fit on line one, then Zucc leaves a year later and both end up on the same line anyway.  If Boldy's a better fit on line one with either Rossi or Yurov, than the other one ends up on line two anyway.

Imagine that: a team gets to keep TWO good players instead of one.

Edited October 25 by Citizen Strife

[OldDutchChip]

12 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said:

Or...you could just keep Rossi with some money, have Yurov on an ELC, let them play it out and see who is better fit on line one, then Zucc leaves a year later and both end up on the same line anyway.  If Boldy's a better fit on line one with either Rossi or Yurov, than the other one ends up on line two anyway.

Imagine that: a team gets to keep TWO good players instead of one.

why don't we go for it THIS year? there are unknowns to your approach, in fact i think it's a move backwards. we've started good, kaprizov is excited and is playing like a demon. to go all in this year, rather than wait and see another prospect "progression" is the route i'd go. Yurov can come in as seasoned as Ohgren and that won't help anyone. nope. Rossi can struggle driving play without Kaprizov. 

Imagine that -- Wild don't stumble into playoffs, Wild don't get bruised by much larger team, Wild are not one-and-out, Wild are loaded with diverse set of players and are not lining a top line averaging 5'8''. Kaprizov has either Tkachuk or a 6'4'' Tuch next to him. Imagine that!