Article: The Wild Must Risk Everything For Kaprizov

[Pewterschmidt]

22 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

what do you do when you play this guy? Does Foligno take a run at him and try to send him through the boards?

As much as it pains me to compliment Foligno, these guys are professionals.  They're not going to get butt hurt because Laine just said no.  This ain't a High School matchup between New Prague and Shakopee where half of Shak-ka-kon's stars transferred from NP and the #7 D-man on NP nicknamed Mongo takes runs all game.

[MacGyver]

I'm not going to look it up now but the writer for the Star Tribune interviewed Guerin at the State Fair I think. Guerin said something like I thought we had a deal in place for Laine until we didn't. Interviewer asked him. "Laine didn't want to come here? 

Guerin: No he didn't. So what the deal was we will never know nor will we know Laine's reasoning. Nor will we ever know Phil Kessel's reasoning for not wanting to come here. I think this could be problematic for the Wild with players NT clauses. I do not believe it is made public what teams are on what players no go list but it sure would be fun knowing. But the fact that Guerin would have pulled the trigger on bringing in Laine is just evidence of an emotional type move. A player that is a head case, just out of the NHL players assistance program and has demanded a trade from the last two teams he was on was exactly the type of player the Wild do not need right now. Makes me wonder if Guerin didn't have eyes for PLD as well.   What happened to "we need to wait until after the buyout penalties are over"? A move like bringing Laine in smacked of desperation. Why are we desperate? We aren't winning the Cup next year and Laine was not going to even get us close.

As Pewter said I think Laine saved Guerin from himself on this one. 

[Pewterschmidt]

13 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

But the fact that Guerin would have pulled the trigger on bringing in Laine is just evidence of an emotional type move. A player that is a head case, just out of the NHL players assistance program and has demanded a trade from the last two teams he was on was exactly the type of player the Wild do not need right now.

Smells like desperation or bad judgement to this fan.  Neither one is a good look for Guerin. 

[Willy the poor boy]

22 hours ago, MacGyver said:

I think if Guerin had his way Rossi would not even be here now. 

I agree. I also think and have said all along he never wanted Deano as the coach, it's just that Deano never gave him the opportunity to get rid of him. He used a normal skid as his opportunity to get rid of him and predictably he took it.

He's in over his head. I've always hoped he'd eventually learn, but like you've said he's to emotional.

[raithis]

On 9/9/2024 at 11:29 AM, Pewterschmidt said:

 

Can't figure out how to delete quote boxes so getting rid of it by posting a comment.

[mnfaninnc]

2 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

shedding Laine + $4M AAV for two career AHL'rs? 

why would you say that with 1 combined year in the A they are both career AHLers?

[mnfaninnc]

1 hour ago, Pewterschmidt said:

As much as it pains me to compliment Foligno, these guys are professionals.  They're not going to get butt hurt because Laine just said no.  This ain't a High School matchup between New Prague and Shakopee where half of Shak-ka-kon's stars transferred from NP and the #7 D-man on NP nicknamed Mongo takes runs all game.

I guess I live in a different era where a club being disrespected should give a response. Both, a little extra shoulder in contact and running up the score a bit are definitely in my golf bag.

[mnfaninnc]

1 hour ago, MacGyver said:

But the fact that Guerin would have pulled the trigger on bringing in Laine is just evidence of an emotional type move.

Why does this have to be emotional or desperate? It is very obvious that we lack size and an RHS forward who can play in Ovechkin's office on the PP. Laine fills checks both of those boxes (it might be the only thing he checks 😉). If you're not giving up much of your current team to add a player of that caliber, it seems like a no-brainer. You're essentially renting him for 2 years!

[mnfaninnc]

21 minutes ago, raithis said:

Can't figure out how to delete quote boxes so getting rid of it by posting a comment.

if you're on a computer, you just keep hitting the backspace. On a phone with all the ads, God help you!

[raithis]

There's a lot of talk about Guerin being too emotional (and I'm not necessarily disputing that), but there are also a lot of overly emotional comments with a lot of speculation and assertion regarding what people mean by statements or what player's intentions are.

Speculation is fine.  We don't know all the facts in any situation so we try to fill in the blanks with possibilities.  The problem is that we often seem to pick some negative possibility to focus on and treat it fact without really considering all the possibilities.

Rossi's statement could easily be that he's just tired of being asked about it.

It could also be that he wants a dollar amount far greater than what he's really worth or term that doesn't match what the Wild want.

It could also be that the Wild are hoping to package him in a trade for an elite player at the trade deadline or in the next offseason.  If that's the case, it makes sense to hold off on a new contract for now.

I personally like Rossi's effort and hope he has a spot on the team going forward, but I also understand it's a business and sometimes players you like are moved for various reasons.

I really don't think it's Guerin's emotion that is a factor here.  His vision may not align with what Rossi desires, but that doesn't mean he is reacting emotionally in this instance.  He's definitely acted emotionally in the past, but I'm seeing far more emotion out the comments than from him in this situation.

[mnfaninnc]

2 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said:

Guerin's statement

Russo does a lot of stuff at the State Fair, doesn't he? Subbing on KFAN and all? That something Out of Market guys just wouldn't get.

[Pewterschmidt]

44 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

why would you say that with 1 combined year in the A they are both career AHLers?

Peart played all four years with St. Cloud, and he's under sized so if i had to bet...he's our Brad Hunt for the 24-30 seasons until he goes to Europe.  No shame in that game.  Chisolm, Faber and Buium have leap frogged him since his draft.  This isn't Peart hate...it's just mathematics. 

I haven't heard boo about Bankier.  That's the extent of my Bankier analysis.

[Pewterschmidt]

42 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

Why does this have to be emotional or desperate? It is very obvious that we lack size and an RHS forward who can play in Ovechkin's office on the PP. Laine fills checks both of those boxes (it might be the only thing he checks 😉). If you're not giving up much of your current team to add a player of that caliber, it seems like a no-brainer. You're essentially renting him for 2 years!

I liked your Brady Tkachuk takes better than this take

[MacGyver]

1 hour ago, mnfaninnc said:

Why does this have to be emotional or desperate? It is very obvious that we lack size and an RHS forward who can play in Ovechkin's office on the PP. Laine fills checks both of those boxes (it might be the only thing he checks 😉). If you're not giving up much of your current team to add a player of that caliber, it seems like a no-brainer. You're essentially renting him for 2 years!

That's IF Laine plays and is happy here for more than two days. His track record is very suspect. Why do the Wild need to gamble on that now when the gates of cap space heaven are supposedly going to open up here in another year. It has the smell of Guerin feeling the need to do something because 1 he somehow feels we are one piece away from contending for the Cup next year or two he's desperate to keep Kaprizov happy. I'm going to guess bringing in Laine would have had the opposite effect. 

Rossi was on the trade block because Guerin locked up all the other possible trade assets to long term deals with no trade and movement clauses. Rossi was all he had left in a known asset to deal.  Guerin is swinging blindly. Some GM is going to fleece him badly one day. 

[mnfaninnc]

17 hours ago, MacGyver said:

Rossi was on the trade block because Guerin locked up all the other possible trade assets to long term deals with no trade and movement clauses. Rossi was all he had left in a known asset to deal.  Guerin is swinging blindly. Some GM is going to fleece him badly one day. 

There is no statement that Rossi was in this particular deal, it's only speculation. Sure, he may be on the trading block, but in this instance, Guerin knows what he's worth and hasn't just accepted the "best offer." I really don't think he wants to get rid of him. I do think this team has some areas of need and he'd be trading from what he would see as a position of strength to fill a position of need.

That would mean that he would be projecting both Heidt and Yurov as satisfactory replacements for Rossi. Yet, this season, he still has Rossi at about $1m, which is great value, and as you mentioned, 1 more season until the cuffs come off. 

What is needed? I would say a large bodied forward with a canon for a shot that is right handed and can fill the box of Ovechkin's office. A large bodied defender with offensive upside who is also right handed. The rest, as I see it, can be internal fills and will take a little time to get up to speed. 

I don't see this as emotional at all, but a way to fill holes and maybe even push up the contending window.

[Pewterschmidt]

17 hours ago, MacGyver said:

Guerin is swinging blindly.

I think this assessment/conclusion is accurate and fair after watching the last 2-3 off seasons.  This is unfortunate for fans as we were hoping that we’d have dry powder with one year left of cap hell and next off season we’d get rewarded for our patience.  Due to Guerin’s decisions we’re instead getting rejected by Patrick Laine.  
 

ill say it again, if most of our prospects hit big no one will remember how Guerin put us in this spot.  If our prospects sputter and this lineup of 35 yr olds continues sideways the buck will stop with Guerin 

Edited September 13 by Pewterschmidt

[Will D. Ness]

14 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

What is needed? I would say a large bodied forward with a canon for a shot that is right handed and can fill the box of Ovechkin's office.

Brock Boeser?

[mnfaninnc]

14 minutes ago, Will D. Ness said:

Brock Boeser?

That would check a box, wouldn't it?

[mnfaninnc]

18 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said:

ill say it again, if most of our prospects hit big no one will remember how Guerin put us in this spot.  If our prospects sputter and this lineup of 35 yr olds continues sideways the buck will stop with Guerin 

I'm expecting big things from our prospects. I have liked letting them develop on the smaller stage. But it's time to inject them. Remember, it takes time to acclimate to the N. Expect to see inconsistency when they're here just starting out.

This is where I think Dino got an advantage. Those 19 games or so didn't show much offense, but it allowed him to get acclimated so he could make adjustments in the offseason. I expect him to come in this season and perform better than Dewar did.

[Pewterschmidt]

1 minute ago, mnfaninnc said:

I'm expecting big things from our prospects. I have liked letting them develop on the smaller stage. But it's time to inject them. Remember, it takes time to acclimate to the N. Expect to see inconsistency when they're here just starting out.

This is where I think Dino got an advantage. Those 19 games or so didn't show much offense, but it allowed him to get acclimated so he could make adjustments in the offseason. I expect him to come in this season and perform better than Dewar did.

Agree 100%.  Expectations are not for Dino to be a 1C, but instead to be a solid contributor in the bottom 6.  Good on PK, honey badger on the forecheck, RAT like along the boards, can't wait.  This kid will give the bottom six a little more backbone.

Ogzy also up for his tryout.  Expecting Nino 2.0.  If he brings a little more creativity I'll give Brackett the credit he deserves.  

#LFG