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Dango Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 Theres opinions for and against Laine but he does have that size and if we didnt have the 15 mill cap penalties i would have risked it . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Strife Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 Good: didn't need his contract. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnfaninnc Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 I told everyone his market value was dirt cheap. Sure, we would have given up the 2nd rounder in this deal because of the 50% retention, but it still would have helped now. Maybe Evason didn't want Johansson or Gaudreau? (cap dumps) So, on to the next thing: We should deal for Askarov. Why? Because an Askarov/The Wall battery would be absolutely amazing, and a great use of cap for a few years. This would allow us to trade out Goose (maybe after he produces well this season) and fill the hole of losing Fleury at the end of the year. I absolutely would love 2 young stud goalies, a lefty and a righty to go to battle with for a few years! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCheatachu Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 (edited) https://www.nhl.com/blues/news/blues-acquire-broberg-holloway-from-oilers Oily-Boys declined to match either offer sheet. A bit surprising considering their recent moves (Ceci to SJS). Quote In a separate transaction, St. Louis is sending its 2028 third-round draft pick and unsigned 2023 fifth-round draft selection Paul Fischer to Edmonton for future considerations. I wonder if this was an additional sweetener to make sure they didn't match the offersheet? Anyways, get ready to speak St. Louisan fellas... Edited August 20 by MrCheatachu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Strife Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 (edited) Am I missing something about the offer sheeted players? Their stats don't scream "Pay me a shit ton of money" like some up and coming star players or something. Is it just because the Oilers are the Oilers and they get attention? Edited August 20 by Citizen Strife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pewterschmidt Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 28 minutes ago, MrCheatachu said: https://www.nhl.com/blues/news/blues-acquire-broberg-holloway-from-oilers Oily-Boys declined to match either offer sheet. A bit surprising considering their recent moves (Ceci to SJS). I wonder if this was an additional sweetener to make sure they didn't match the offersheet? Anyways, get ready to speak St. Louisan fellas... St Louis receives a couple of 1st rounders (age 22, 23) for a 2nd rd pick and a 3rd round pick, correct? No other money/compensation changed hands, correct? STL just robbed the bank in my opinion. How are the Wild going to get f&^$%d by this move next off-season? We'll need to pay Rossi $6M/yr, or lose him to CHI for a future 3rd round pick? How is the Wild front office fire-walling itself from this situation? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pewterschmidt Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 4 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said: St Louis receives a couple of 1st rounders (age 22, 23) for a 2nd rd pick and a 3rd round pick, correct? No other money/compensation changed hands, correct? STL just robbed the bank in my opinion. How are the Wild going to get f&^$%d by this move next off-season? We'll need to pay Rossi $6M/yr, or lose him to CHI for a future 3rd round pick? How is the Wild front office fire-walling itself from this situation? Is Guerin’s preemptive contract extensions a way of firewalling against offer sheets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCheatachu Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 57 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said: St Louis receives a couple of 1st rounders (age 22, 23) for a 2nd rd pick and a 3rd round pick, correct? No other money/compensation changed hands, correct? STL just robbed the bank in my opinion. How are the Wild going to get f&^$%d by this move next off-season? We'll need to pay Rossi $6M/yr, or lose him to CHI for a future 3rd round pick? How is the Wild front office fire-walling itself from this situation? Yeah, it looks like STL out maneuvered here. Goes to show you the value of tools like capfriendly...STL knew exactly what EDM's cap was looking like and also could do the math on how unlikely it would be for them to be able to dump/overpay to dump contracts over the 7 day window for the decision. That said, STL did have to 'overpay' for both players in terms of salary. Rumor was Holloway ($4.3M) was asking for $1.8 from EDM and Broberg ($2.1M) was asking for $1.2 and EDM didnt get those deals done in the season. RE: Rossi - My guess is if he is looking for 7-stacks (like Boldy did), the compensation is a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick (has to be team extending the offer sheet's pick). If a team is willing to give up their first three rounds of a pick for the guy you'd imagine a better trade could have been worked out prior. AAV Compensation $1 - $1,511,701 None $1,5111,701 - $2,290,457 1 3rd-round pick $2,290,457 - $4,580,917 1 2nd-round pick $4,580,917 - $6,871,374 1 1st-round pick, 1 3rd-round pick $6,871,374 - $9,161,834 1 1st-round pick, 1 2nd-round pick, 1 3rd-round pick $9,161,834 - $11,452,294 2 1st-round picks, 1 2nd-round pick, 1 3rd-round pick $11,452,294 or more 4 1st-round picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pewterschmidt Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 4 minutes ago, MrCheatachu said: the compensation is a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick (has to be team extending the offer sheet's pick). So if EDM had elected to match STL's offer to keep their own players, EDM would have also been required to send those draft picks to STL as an add'l cost of matching STL's offer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dango Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 25 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said: So if EDM had elected to match STL's offer to keep their own players, EDM would have also been required to send those draft picks to STL as an add'l cost of matching STL's offer? No i dont believe so mainly because alot of teams dont have the proper draft pics to be able to , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dango Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 Just now, Dango said: No i dont believe so mainly because alot of teams dont have the proper draft pics to be able to , I was wondering how a team can pay 4, 1st round picks , can they be from 4 different years or do they have to be the same draft of the following year . thats the part i dont know . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raithis Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 27 minutes ago, Dango said: I was wondering how a team can pay 4, 1st round picks , can they be from 4 different years or do they have to be the same draft of the following year . thats the part i dont know . They'd be from different years. They wouldn't be from the same draft. You just don't pick in the first round for a very long time unless you acquire a first some other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raithis Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 1 hour ago, Pewterschmidt said: So if EDM had elected to match STL's offer to keep their own players, EDM would have also been required to send those draft picks to STL as an add'l cost of matching STL's offer? No. It's only STL's penalty. You can offer sheet, but there is a cost to pry a player away from the team that has rights to the RFA. Only the team originally holding the rights is compensated. Essentially what happens is EDM gets the option to match. If they don't, STL gets the player at that price and surrenders the related picks to EDM. If EDM did match, STL gets nothing. If a team has the cap space, picks, and the nerve to ruffle a few feathers, any team can do this. The best targets are teams strained at the cap because they likely can't match or by doing so you can strategically weaken that team by forcing them to trade players to retain the RFAs by matching. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pewterschmidt Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 5 minutes ago, raithis said: No. It's only STL's penalty. You can offer sheet, but there is a cost to pry a player away from the team that has rights to the RFA. Only the team originally holding the rights is compensated. Essentially what happens is EDM gets the option to match. If they don't, STL gets the player at that price and surrenders the related picks to EDM. If EDM did match, STL gets nothing. If a team has the cap space, picks, and the nerve to ruffle a few feathers, any team can do this. The best targets are teams strained at the cap because they likely can't match or by doing so you can strategically weaken that team by forcing them to trade players to retain the RFAs by matching. Thank you Raithis for this offersheet tutorial. Very clear. So in summary, STL probably overpaid in terms of AAV in exchange for a future 2nd and 3rd for a couple 1st rounders who are just now entering their productive NHL years. I like the gamble (don't know much about either player other than the fact that they played minutes thru game 7 of SC Finals which is arguably the most valuable experience and proof of their ability/potential) Is STL going to be the new CHI (Toews/Kane era) for the Wild? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCheatachu Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 26 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said: So in summary, STL probably overpaid in terms of AAV in exchange for a future 2nd and 3rd for a couple 1st rounders who are just now entering their productive NHL years. Ding ding ding, someone get P-Diesel a cookie. Typically offersheets benefit the player, because the team presenting the offersheet (STL in this case) has to come up with an offer that's worth it for the player to sign away from their current team. In this case, the player has some say in the negotiations. It should be noted that both STL's offersheets were $1 below the threshold of compensation. It is also interesting that STL traded earlier with PIT to re-acquire their own pick which allowed them to do the offer sheets in the first place. Meaning, if they didn't have their 2nd round pick from the 2025 draft since it was traded away earlier in the Hayes trade they wouldn't have been able to offer sheet Broberg because they didn't have their own 2nd round pick to offer up as compensation. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 The wild better keep there house in order or they will be the victims of this in future. Even if the other team is willing to over pay , you still developed this guy a now your going to have to draft again and wait years to see what you get. Having no flexibility because of ntc s is going to bite Billy in the arse . It’s just a matter of time imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Strife Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 (edited) If the players aren't worth signing straight up, then they probably aren't good enough to replace what people the Wild have under contract already anyway. Edited August 20 by Citizen Strife 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imyourhuckleberry Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 3 hours ago, MrCheatachu said: RE: Rossi - My guess is if he is looking for 7-stacks (like Boldy did) I don't even know what that means, but if his agent is looking for equal money to Boldy, he's going to be greatly disappointed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Strife Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 At best, Rossi's probably going to get Lundell or Ek money at most (which is pretty solid). He'd need to go from 45 to 60-70 pts to make a Boldy contract happen. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pewterschmidt Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 15 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said: I don't even know what that means, but if his agent is looking for equal money to Boldy, he's going to be greatly disappointed. My thoughts also. Boldy showed his potential immediately, rossi is taking more time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCheatachu Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 5 minutes ago, Citizen Strife said: At best, Rossi's probably going to get Lundell or Ek money at most (which is pretty solid). He'd need to go from 45 to 60-70 pts to make a Boldy contract happen. Ek signed that contract 3 years ago man. Salary cap back then was $81.5M this season we've got an $88M salary cap. Ekker also signed a banger of a contract that looks like a damn steal. Should have already extended Rossi if you wanted to try to score a deal with him, it's a gamble, but it seems like he's only getting better so that price is going to tick up and up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy the poor boy Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 5 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said: Is Guerin’s preemptive contract extensions a way of firewalling against offer sheets? If so he needs to get Rossi done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pewterschmidt Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 33 minutes ago, MrCheatachu said: Ek signed that contract 3 years ago man. Salary cap back then was $81.5M this season we've got an $88M salary cap. Ekker also signed a banger of a contract that looks like a damn steal. Should have already extended Rossi if you wanted to try to score a deal with him, it's a gamble, but it seems like he's only getting better so that price is going to tick up and up. I would be surprised if Rossi is still with team at end of season. He’ll get flipped for a wing who can compliment 97 at TDL 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCheatachu Verified Member Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 3 minutes ago, Pewterschmidt said: I would be surprised if Rossi is still with team at end of season. He’ll get flipped for a wing who can compliment 97 at TDL I was surprised Dumba and Fiala made it to the end of the season, but both of them did. I'm still optimistic we'll be close enough to a playoff spot at the TDL we'll be 'buyers' rather than 'sellers' Even if we're sellers, I doubt he'll get flipped for a winger at the TDL, because we don't have the cap space to fit salary at the end of this season so we'll be left only able to afford the MoJo's and GusGus's of the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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